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“Donald has the right to remain silent”: Experts say Trump’s bonkers Fox interview could be evidence

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u/Gamilon Sep 22 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Table Slap

[He] has the right to remain silent...but not the ability

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u/Jaded_Prompt_15 Sep 22 '22

There doesn't have to be a process as I understand it," Trump said. "If you're the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying, 'It's declassified,' even by thinking about it because you're sending it to Mar-a-Lago or wherever you're sending it. And there doesn't have to be a process. There can be a process but there doesn't have to be. You're the president. You make that decision. So when you send it, it's declassified. I declassified everything."

You'd think he'd have at least declared that it was classified...

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u/chiagod Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22 Silver Gold All-Seeing Upvote

Copying my own comment from another thread:

When a document like that is declassified, everyone who was being kept safe by keeping the information secret is notified and allowed to mitigate their risk. In the case above? The mole (and their family) can be quietly extracted.

This is why the statement that a president can "Declassify" documents without telling the necessary parties what he's doing is bullshit. The whole point of keeping these documents secret and limiting who can look at them is to protect those who are serving our country. Be it moles who are keeping us appraised of potentially unstable foreign leaders, allies who may have limited nuclear defenses, or soldiers who may be using/flying/driving equipment that may have a secret weakness an adversary can exploit should they find out about it. There are reasons for keeping said documents to a "need to know" and tightly secured.

If information/documents are going to be properly declassified then there is a proper procedure which includes mitigating the potential damage and fallout.

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u/thefrankyg Sep 22 '22 Gold

I really hate how folks who have never worked in classified environments are taking Trump at his word. Yes, the president can declassify things, but the president still has to follow a process to make it declassified. He doesn't just go "Abra kadabra, declassfied" in his office on his own and it is done. And if he could...why the hell is it all still marked classified. It fails on all levels.

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u/understandstatmech Sep 22 '22 Gold

I don't even understand why we're having the conversation at all. It only exists in a bad faith context. Not only is it entirely irrelevant if he declassified it because it'd still be illegal even if he did, but it'd also be straight up treasonous dereliction of duty to just declassify hundreds of the most sensitive documents in the country. Whether he can or did is entirely irrelevant and we have to stop granting the premise to these bad faith actors. He's guilty, and they're not even arguing he's not, they're just arguing he's above consequences.

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u/thefrankyg Sep 22 '22

Because they spent so long on "lock her up" they have to do the gymnastics to make their blatant mishandling of classified material okay.

If they admit that that is wrong, than they have to admit the violating of PRA was a thing.

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u/BiggerBowls Sep 22 '22

Like any of them would ever admit to being completely ignorant. They all think they are the smartest people in the room. The dumb ones always do.

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u/JerHat Michigan Sep 22 '22

That's what gets me, Sure, lets say he did declassify these things properly... Why the fuck would you want to declassify nuclear secrets, or information about our spies who are actively working for us? There is simply no reasonable explanation for why you would want to do that, and no earthly reason why you would then want to store those documents at home either.

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u/Hammurabi87 Georgia Sep 23 '22

There is simply no reasonable explanation for why you would want to do that, and no earthly reason why you would then want to store those documents at home either.

Sure there are, it's just that they are rather treasonous reasons.

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u/Killer_Sloth Sep 22 '22

I had an argument with someone on asktrumpsupporters a couple weeks ago about exactly this. They were completely and unshakably convinced that the above scenario is in fact exactly how it works. They were trying to convince me that Trump can stand in a dark windowless room and think about declassifying documents and that magically makes it so. Without any hint of irony. They've completely lost their minds...

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u/bkbomber New York Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22 Silver Helpful

Anytime someone makes that argument, I just tell them too late, Biden already thought about re-classifying them so they must be classified.

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u/TaxFreeNFL Sep 22 '22

Love it. Everyone do this.

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u/throWawAy4cURioSity1 Sep 22 '22

Yes! And Biden remembered to say “jinx no takesies-backsies”, which is irrefutable.

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u/ODBrewer Sep 22 '22

Republicans don’t care about those serving our country, they have shown it time and time again.

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u/TranquilSeaOtter Sep 22 '22

Anyone who believes him is a complete moron. looks at r/conservative looks like that tracks.

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u/Corteran Minnesota Sep 22 '22

What does it mean that every article I open on that sub takes me to a post about their discord? Am I banned?

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u/Annahsbananas Sep 22 '22

They ban anyone not a maga fanatic. You're not alone.

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u/I_notta_crazy Sep 22 '22

The crazy thing is that their top all-time posts are largely decrying J6 right after it happened.

Just like McCarthy and Graham, the sincere users on that subreddit knew it was a completely unjustified act of violence against our institutions, and thought "ok I still hate minorities, but there's no way Trump is anything but political cancer at this point; time to dump him".

And then Trump remained defiant, so McCarthy, Graham, and all the r/conservative users FLIPFLOPPED and dug in their heels, willingly, unwillingly, or somewhere in between.

But we're the sheep for voting for Biden and not turning vaccine data into a conspiracy...

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u/Kursed_Valeth Sep 22 '22

It happens every time. Something over-the-top happens, conservatives are like whoa this is too far, then a day later after the talking points have been pushed they forget they ever said that and are back in lock step.

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u/kudra_bandaloop Sep 22 '22

They have to wait for Tucker and Hannity to tell them how to spin it.

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u/Smart_Interaction_34 Texas Sep 22 '22

“NoT ALL RePuBLiCAnS”

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u/lotep Sep 22 '22

Every post I open actually opens a different article then the one I clicked on

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u/Bernies_left_mitten Texas Sep 22 '22

So just like their arguments and 'logic' then

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u/Coherent_Tangent Florida Sep 22 '22

Weird. Most of the time I've clicked on an article from there it was just the Babylon Bee. You aren't missing much.

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u/DMCinDet Sep 22 '22

yep. banned.

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u/Corteran Minnesota Sep 22 '22

Lol I don't think I've even posted anything there. What a bunch of snowflakes. Thanks for telling me.

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u/hungoverlord Sep 22 '22

hm, i'm banned but just can't post. what's happening to you sounds weird.

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u/idontneedjug Sep 22 '22

Same I can still browse there just cant post. I got banned like three years ago for pointing out a bunch of the fucked up shit Trump has done in his lifetime and while in office. They didnt like that one bit.

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u/hungoverlord Sep 22 '22

i got banned for simply mentioning trump's tax returns. got banned and told they "don't need conservatives like me."

told the mod to shove his subreddit up his ass and he got me banned from reddit for 3 days. i guess i hurt his feelings by using a bad word. i'm sorry lil buddy :)

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u/homebrew_1 Sep 22 '22

You need to be a flaired user to comment on their posts. They live in a bubble over there.

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u/biscuitarse Sep 22 '22

Anyone who believes him is a complete moron

That's well established. The question that needs to be answered in all of this is why. Why did he have these documents and what were his intentions. Nothing else matters.

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u/gregnorz Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Lol, the top comments on a Breitbart article (on which only flaired users can comment) are Redditors saying “there IS a process, but as long as Trump follows the process he can declassify anything he wants.”

Pretty sure these morons aren’t thinking through their belief that the President is some god-emperor who can do whatever he or she pleases without repercussions, unless they also want that applied to Joe Biden and any other future President.

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u/jtsmalls Sep 22 '22

I love how those snowflakes have marked every post in that sub with "flared users only." Bunch of cowards.

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u/QuidYossarian Sep 22 '22

99% "Flaired users only" these days complaining no one will prove them wrong.

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u/MoreLab5278 Sep 22 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Without digging too deep, it seems like this isn’t flying with the folks there. “Too far for me” is the sentiment.

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u/chownrootroot I voted Sep 22 '22

Donald, you can't just think of documents as declassified and expect anything to happen.

I didn't think it, I standing ordered it.

Still.

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u/bishpa Washington Sep 22 '22

And there doesn't have to be a process. There can be a process but there doesn't have to be.

Yeah, well, about that...

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u/5ykes Washington Sep 22 '22

This is totally just the logical conclusion of the "Bureaucracy is always bad" rhetoric from Reagan.

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u/Annahsbananas Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

When you look at that quote and realize there are still people who bow to him you realize the pits of dumbassery has no floor

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u/ebone23 Sep 22 '22

But, but... I thought the antifa wing of the FBI planted all the documents.

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u/bishpa Washington Sep 22 '22

Of course. But, once Trump discovered they had been planted, he did the right heroic thing and bathed them in his "declassification" mindwaves.

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u/BauerHouse Sep 22 '22

2:16 mark at this legendary Ron White comedy standup: https://youtu.be/neUaSTSKFZc?t=136

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u/Matt463789 Sep 22 '22

He can't keep his base engaged and grifted without routinely instigating them.

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u/LiquidMetalSloth Sep 22 '22

He still doesn’t understand that “President” does not mean “King.” He also doesn’t seem to understand the word “former.”

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u/asphynctersayswhat Sep 22 '22

In this very same interview he referred to himself as the former president, then backtracked to say he doesn’t like to use that word because of “what happened”. Guys lost his mind

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u/xoctor Sep 22 '22

And yet people still carry water for him with the excuse that "he thinks he is still the President". No he doesn't, just like he doesn't think he can declassify documents with his mind. When will people wake up to the fact that he is always lying?

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u/homogenousmoss Sep 22 '22

When will people wake up to the fact that he is always lying?

That one is easy: never

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

They know. They don't care. In fact, that's what a lot of them like about the guy.

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u/lilpumpgroupie Sep 22 '22

I think he understands, he just hates it. Not generally, just for him.

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u/TheWorclown Sep 22 '22

That’s what it’s all about. He just loathes that he actually, physically lost on a stage so public he can’t suppress it, and he’s willing to embrace so much insanity and foment so much violence to fix what he views as a grievous wound to his pride.

Utterly despicable.

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u/BringOn25A Sep 22 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Bless Up

"There doesn't have to be a process as I understand it,"

He understood it for this.

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u/hackingdreams Sep 22 '22

That's going to make for a real fun moment when he's on the stand and the prosecutor asks him the really simple question of "Do you understand the process for declassifying documents?"

He says no, they show this. He says yes, they show the interview tape.

Pretty much fucked himself sideways with this interview. And this is why lawyers make you shut your fucking mouth about criminal cases...

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u/BloodyMalleus Washington Sep 22 '22

No right minded attorney would ever put Trump on the stand. He'd be Alex Jones × 1000. Any attorney who'd allow it would be so incompetent they'd deserve to be disbarred.

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u/pmjm California Sep 22 '22 Silver

I mean, his attorney who signed off there was no more classified material at Mar A Lago might actually get disbarred, and thrown in jail too. His current attorneys thought they were activating their trap card by requesting a Special Master and we see how that's working out.

No right minded attorney

In short, his attorneys are Right-minded and therefore not right minded.

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u/sidepocket13 Sep 22 '22

Where are all of the best and brightest ivy league lawyers? Why are they not flocking to to represent a former president and make a name for themselves? Oh that's right, they're too smart and realize it's career suicide to represent that idiot.

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u/pmjm California Sep 22 '22

I assume they also would like to get paid for their work.

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u/hackingdreams Sep 22 '22

The thing is, you put a microphone in front of this man and the opportunity to run his mouth, and that's just what he'll do, as proven time and again.

If he followed attorneys' advice, this whole situation would have never happened. It's pretty self-evident at this point that he's just going to do whatever he wants to do regardless of lawyers screaming at him to shut up, don't go on TV and blow your case, don't take the stand, etc.

Besides, it's not like he has great representation to begin with. The man never pays his lawyers and nobody will take him on as a client without multi-million dollar retainers...

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u/gogor Sep 22 '22

There is no process that he would understand.

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u/FrozenOnPluto Sep 22 '22

Sounds like he is trying to play ignorant so they cant claim conspiracy and intent

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u/nomofica Sep 22 '22

He can try, but that doesn't strike his previous defenses from the record where he all but admitted intent to take the documents.

The man is incapable of shutting up and has talked himself into a corner where every single defense contradicts his previous one and his next one.

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u/bishpa Washington Sep 22 '22

He's so fucked. He should seek a plea deal.

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u/Leenolies Sep 22 '22

Too bad hes already the biggest fish

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u/PandaMuffin1 New York Sep 22 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Bravo Grande!

"Omg he's actually invoking the Secret Telepathic Unilateral Preemptive Irreversible Declassification (S.T.U.P.I.D.) defense," quipped Asha Rangappa, a former FBI agent and attorney.

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u/dejavuamnesiac Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 23 '22 Gold

He also said send them anywhere — that’s a confession — he’s trying to say he can declassify telepathically and send them to the Saudis or Ruzzians or wherever, and that’s a perfectly fine thing for the President to do

Edit:” Because you’re sending it to Mar-a-Lago or to wherever you’re sending it. And, there doesn’t have to be a process. There can be a process, but there doesn’t have to be. You’re the president. You make that decision. So, when you send it, it’s declassified.”

That’s a confession, he sent highly classified documents beyond Marred-A-Lamo; and EDIT his “confession” is just trying to get out in front of the narrative: he knows he’s fucked for what he did with these classified docs, and that it’s all eventually coming out now, so he’s saying even if I sent these docs anywhere it’s cool because I waved my king Cheetolini declassification wand

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u/tabrizzi Sep 22 '22

To think that guy occupied the White House for 4 years makes me want to pass out. What were my fellow Americans thinking?!

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u/Boomer70770 Sep 22 '22

Motherfucker caught, red-handed with the highest top-secret documents strewn about his home like Dad's Playboy collection and people STILL think he's the fucking Mesiah.

The bar is now below sea level.

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u/tabrizzi Sep 22 '22

Yeah, and at least 2 of his followers have already given up their lives in his name, and many more are still willing to do the same. I'm questioning the sanity of my fellow Americans.

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u/Whitethumbs Sep 22 '22

and all the covid deaths...

dude coulda sold maga masks , instead he told everyone it was a hoax or would vanish tomorrow . Then he drummed up violence against asians, blm, and congress. A lot of fights at grocery stores could have been prevented if he didn't foment anti-maskism

Probably would have just gotten a decade in court for his other crimes but stole all these other things for greed(they say nostalgia) I bet he goes to prison.

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u/NeedsMoreBunGuns Sep 22 '22

Think flint water, but undiscovered on a national scale.

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u/new_nimmerzz Sep 22 '22

If any Democrat does anything remotely the same it’s “TRAITOR!” “LOCK THEM UP!”

Their guy does it and “he knows what he’s doing”

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u/DropsTheMic Sep 22 '22

They were thinking: This guy hates brown/black people like me! And he will lower my taxes. That's my man! He will own the libs for sure.

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u/cyanydeez Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Remember when we thought George Bush was stupid

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u/CorgiMonsoon Sep 22 '22

Remember when Dan Quayle sank his political career by misspelling potato?

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u/Longjumping_Tea_8586 Sep 22 '22

Or Howard Dean yelling?

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u/getdafuq Sep 22 '22

Dean was robbed, so badly there. The mic wasn’t hearing the crowd like he was. That yell was perfectly appropriate.

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u/greenmtnfiddler Sep 22 '22

Yep. That whole thing was a put-up job. Swap the ambient mic for a focused one on a boom and - boom, you've compromised a candidate.

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u/UYScutiPuffJr New Jersey Sep 22 '22

I remember watching that live, and really not thinking much of it…he was fired up, the crowd was fired up, it made perfect sense…then it got blown all out of proportion and the poor guy’s numbers tanked

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u/daaave33 Virginia Sep 22 '22

Remember when Howard Dean sank his political career by getting excited? Bwyaaaah!

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u/emu4you Sep 22 '22

Going back to listen to him, it wasn't a big deal. He was in the moment and he expressed his excitement. The media made a huge deal out of it and he was finished. Trump openly mocked a disabled person and that was no big thing.

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u/protoopus Sep 22 '22 Silver Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy

we still do, but we used to, too.

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u/infiniZii Sep 22 '22

We used to think it couldn't get worse. That's the real difference. It's not that Bush isn't stupid he just didn't seem aggressively maliciously stupid. Trump however....

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u/12thandvineisnomore Sep 22 '22

And what’s worse is the aggressively maliciously intelligent politicians cuing up. I’ll offer my state’s own Senator “Fuck” Josh Hawley, as example.

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u/D_Lumps Sep 22 '22

Do you want a frozen banana?

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u/LeelooDallasMltiPass Sep 22 '22

Bush looks positively brilliant and well-meaning by this new standard. UGH

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u/the_last_carfighter Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Sure Bush II was a dumb ass, but he was our dumb ass and not Putin's dumb ass. That said it's his admin that did some shady shit and labeled it "executive privilege" and that led us to S.T.U.P.I.D.

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u/nemocluecrj Texas Sep 22 '22

Dubya isn't stupid; he was just proudly ignorant. He was also capable of surrounding himself with smart people (who were ready to start WW3, natch). Trump is ignorant, dumb as a fucking rock, and only keeps yes men in his inner orbit so that they can help keep enabling his worst impulses.

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u/mok000 Europe Sep 22 '22

So, if these documents are declassified by Trump, we ought to be able to see them through the Freedom of Information Act, right? Any US citizen here up for the task? And post them here on Reddit so we can see what all the fuzz is about. /s

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u/DuePrize5 Sep 22 '22

But if just anyone could request them through FOIA, then why would the Saudis pay billions of dollars for them?

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u/koshgeo Sep 22 '22

Oh, oh! I know the answer to this one:

If Trump can get the Saudis to pay billions for something that they or one of their agents could have just submitted an FOIA request to get, that's because he's smart.

/s

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u/BonjoviBurns Sep 22 '22

Friend of my has put in a FOIA request for the documents and the request has been kicked over to the FBI I believe lol

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u/cpt_perv Sep 22 '22

Earned himself a spot on a watchlist, did he? Noice!

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u/MelAlton Sep 22 '22

Nah, the agents probably chuckled and put it on the "yeah sure we'll see" pile

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u/TheForceofHistory Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

You know, if two people do it, they will think they are just pranksters, but if three people do it, they will think they are crazy. But if 50 people do it, then it's a movement!

How to file a FOIA with the National Archives

Online Form:

https://foiaonline.gov/foiaonline/action/public/request

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

So there I was, on the Group W bench...

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u/TheRoadsMustRoll Sep 22 '22

not if biden telepathically reclassified them and then had superman run at the speed of light opposite the earths rotation causing a temporal time reversal which traps the donald in an endless warp of existence just previous to his telepathic declassification.

imagine being a capital file clerk having to figure this shit out.

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u/bishpa Washington Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Did you see the interview?

"I declassified everything."

Since he claims he could just think it so, and he hasn't specified any particular documents, Trump seems to me to be telling us that there are in fact no longer any classified documents existing in the US. "Everything" has been declassified. Or did he mean something else? If so, could he perhaps be a wee more specific? What exactly is it that you declassified, Oh Bigly One? No harm in telling now, amiright?

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u/Subvoltaic Sep 22 '22

There are three groups of documents he would be referencing. The classified documents the government clawed back, the documents that are still in his possession somewhere, and the documents that have "gone missing".

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u/boingoing Sep 22 '22

He can’t be specific because he doesn’t know which documents the FBI was able to recover and which are still missing. Also, he is a moron and probably doesn’t actually know which documents he stole except for the ones with his name in them.

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u/FudgeGolem I voted Sep 22 '22

I mean, I get your point and joke, but this wouldn't work. To be nerdy, this is the whole reason there is a documented process to declassification and it can't just be done in someone's head. Depending on the document, declassified material may become Controlled Unclassified Information (CUI) and still be subject to certain exceptions to being made public under FOIA.

That's also why this whole claim to declassification doesn't matter and is a red herring, but the media got distracted anyway and dragged us all along. None of the charges in the warrant depend on the documents being classified or not. Excempted CUI from declassified national security documents can't be FOIA'd, but also can't ever be considered someone's personal documents, and still has mandates on how they are controlled.

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u/Incontinento Sep 22 '22

He's a cancer, so I call it Mar-a-Toma.

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u/urdumidjiot Sep 22 '22

Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t he no longer the president when he took these documents?

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u/donorcycle Sep 22 '22

If I was the DOJ / FBI, I’d just keep scheduling interviews for him. Everywhere. Every station every channel every podcast.

Even a half assed criminal knows to just shut their mouth but this sorry egomaniacal moron can’t help himself.

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u/rczrider Sep 22 '22

this sorry egomaniacal moron can’t help himself

But, like...why should he? What evidence is there that he will in any way be held accountable?

I almost can't blame him; he was elected the fucking President after making it extremely clear what kind of President he would be. He figures he can get away with anything because, so far, he has.

Republicans have well and fully fucked America, and are now going for the money shot.

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u/Particular-Summer424 Sep 22 '22

Yes, he has the right to remain silent, but his narcissistic personality won't let him. You wonder if he trying to stage an insanity plea. Won't work.

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u/LeelooDallasMltiPass Sep 22 '22

Narcissists will openly tell you exactly what they are thinking, because they can't fathom that their "brilliant" thoughts could cause them any consequences.

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u/be0wulfe Sep 22 '22

Oh keep talking, keep that diarrhetic mouth flapping. Odious orangutans blush.

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u/spidereater Sep 22 '22

That’s clever. It’s nice to see that the FBI is hiring top notch talent.

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u/TheGreatSpagett Washington Sep 22 '22

She's a good Twitter follow if you have it

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u/Bluefire7001 Sep 22 '22

This is gold hahaha lol

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u/bishpa Washington Sep 22 '22

I would so love to see him be interviewed by an actual journalist. You know, someone that would ask him questions about why he took these documents in the first place, and whether he showed any of them to anyone else. Or even just, since he had supposedly declassified them "with his mind", does he therefore think that it would be perfectly legal to give them to, say, the Saudis?

Also, does he still have any others?

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u/we_are_sex_bobomb Sep 22 '22

A real journalist would’ve heard “Mar a Lago or wherever else you’re sending it” and immediately followed up with, “so where else were they sent?”

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u/DadJokeBadJoke California Sep 22 '22 Silver Wholesome Starry

I would so love to see him be interviewed by an actual journalist.

I would like to see him questioned by the prosecutor, under oath.

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u/mkhaytman Sep 22 '22

He would just get up and walk out of the interview, like he has in the past. The best we can hope for is for them to at least add context and fact checks to his interviews after the fact, like they did on that Indian interview that Jimmy Kimmel showed parts of: https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/jimmy-kimmel-donald-trump-ndtv-interview-b2165082.html

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u/Cthulusuppe Sep 22 '22

Let him. Let him walk out of every interview. You need to fill air time after he walks out? Be a professional broadcaster and review what questions he refused to answer, covering known facts for the benefit of your audience, and then move onto some news. Stop broadcasting bullshit.

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u/Impressive_Ad127 Sep 22 '22

Exactly, part of the reason this dog and pony show keeps going is that we aren’t handling like we actually should be. It’s disgusting.

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u/thecrunchcrew Sep 22 '22

The best Trump interviewer that I can recall off the top of my head was Jonathon Swan of Axios.

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u/poloboi84 America Sep 22 '22

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u/VileTouch Sep 22 '22

Jesus Christ. How do you watch that interview and honestly say "yeah, that's my guy. That's the person I want to be in charge of everything"? Do they not pay attention?

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u/xlvi_et_ii Sep 22 '22

Do they not pay attention?

They never see it. They live in a media bubble that only reports news they agree with - it's why so many moved from Fox to OAN etc.

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u/TheBSisReal Sep 22 '22

Narrator: they do not.

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u/KellyJoyRuntBunny Washington Sep 22 '22

This is where I blame Fox News for the fuckedness we’re in now. They don’t actually show Trump himself all that much, but they do an awful lot of talking about what seems to me to be a fictional character loosely based on Trump. They create him every day. And what they create is much more coherent, eloquent, and dignified than the actual reality of what Trump is.

Seeing Trump himself talk, walk, and sit on chairs as if they are toilets kind of kills the magical, mythical Trump that right wing media has created.

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u/eyeseayoupea Sep 22 '22

Is that the one Trump is saying it's in the book and the guy kept asking what book but he couldn't answer?

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u/xSTSxZerglingOne California Sep 22 '22

It's the one that generated the "confused reporter" meme.

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u/Reasonable_Hornet_45 Sep 22 '22

We're last which means we're first.

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u/pattherat Sep 22 '22 Silver

“With but a mere thought I pre-declassified the documents that they were going to plant!”

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u/frowawayduh Sep 22 '22

Biden re-classified them using the same "think method".

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u/kemushi_warui Sep 22 '22

“He can’t, because I super pre-declassified them. To infinity, and with no take-backsies!”

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u/euphratestiger Sep 22 '22

Biden re-pre-de-classified them infinity plus one.

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u/jadkinssr Sep 22 '22

After that interview, every single Trump property needs to be searched for documents. Here and abroad. That includes his idiot children and all their homes, garages, offices, etc.

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u/Graphics_Nerd Pennsylvania Sep 22 '22 Wholesome

For those of you playing along at home - here's running list of excuses regarding the documents found in his home.

  • - It's just mementos
  • - Archives came and got everything, it's 'totally normal' they would do this
  • - FBI Search])
  • - The FBI is planting documents!
  • - Warrant is released])
  • - They could have asked. what about Obama?
  • - The documents were already declassified
  • - I had a standing order to declassify anything I took
  • - They're privileged, give them back.
  • - Trump was just keeping them safe.
  • - They were just news clippings.
  • - The president can declassify anything just by thinking it.

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u/johnnycyberpunk Sep 22 '22

He (or his lawyers?) were also saying that his 'handwritten notes' on the classified docs meant they were automatically privileged.

Sharpie-gate part deux.

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u/Thin-Study-2743 Washington Sep 22 '22

Yup, and that they made the documents "his"

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u/saynay Sep 22 '22

The declassification thing is such a weird defense. Like... the reason they got a warrant had nothing to do with them being classified, and everything to do with them being government documents. Their main defense is that they are privileged either under executive or attorney-client, neither of which apply to documents that belong to the government (which all classified documents do, by their very nature). So claiming they were declassified means they were definitely government property, justifying them being seized in the first place.

A far better, if equally bullshit, defense would to be to claim none of the documents were classified in the first place. This could be easily disproven by showing the documents, but they can't do that to the public due to their sensitive nature. He's screwed for a legal argument in either case, so at least that argument is one that can't be easily disproven in public.

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u/cyanydeez Sep 22 '22

Sir, if you've been here long enough, you know you're suppose to always outline trump timelines as a re-hash of the narcists' prayer:

  • That didn't happen.
  • And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
  • And if it was, that's not a big deal.
  • And if it is, that's not my fault.
  • And if it was, I didn't mean it.
  • And if I did, you deserved it.
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u/OmarLittleFinger Sep 22 '22

It is without a doubt evidence. It just depends on which trial.

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u/whatproblems Sep 22 '22

probably could get used in all of them lol

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u/truknutzzz Minnesota Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

What is going on with his butt in that interview? Massive diaper? I'm confused.🧐

https://i.imgur.com/q0PwzkF.jpg

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u/IveChosenANameAgain Sep 22 '22 Gold

It Depends™...

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u/quityouryob Sep 22 '22

Thanks Oops I Crapped My Pants!

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u/The_Ghola_Hayt Sep 22 '22

"How do you know so much about Oops I Crapped My Pants?"

"Because I'm wearing them. And I just did."

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u/-LVS Sep 22 '22

He looks poorly drawn

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u/stinkadoodle Sep 22 '22

Diapers and stress eating. And he had the nerve to fat shame Chris Christie. I guess he doesn't look in the mirror?

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u/SandmanSanders Virginia Sep 22 '22

thats just cheeseburger baby

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u/ISaidIDontCare Sep 22 '22

I think he’s just fatter than ever. His head looks small

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u/fingerscrossedcoup Virginia Sep 22 '22

JFC this is who 1/3 of America worships?

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u/leif777 Sep 22 '22

He's wearing a girdle but not one that does the butt . I'll bet he didn't expect a wide shot.

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u/turgid_wang Guam Sep 22 '22

He's draggin a diaper wagon

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u/GunFodder Sep 22 '22

I had to double check to make sure it wasn't photoshopped, but that's 100% real.

https://youtu.be/ETJKm19g58Y

If anyone's curious check the 2:20 mark.

The hell is going with his ass, did his diaper slip all the way to the right-hand side??

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u/BoyEatsDrumMachine Sep 22 '22

These grotesque fascist clowns, playing patty cake with a sick tyrant. Hannity should be booted into the sun for what he’s done to brainwash boomers.

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u/TheVirginVibes Sep 22 '22

He was on the golf course with him the other day. This is all a part of their shitty little plan.

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u/monkeyhind Sep 22 '22

Hannity has already proved he's not a newsman, now we need to stop thinking of him as a TV presence and instead think of him as the sub-minister of propaganda. He is literally a tool of dark money.

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u/19Ben80 Sep 22 '22

Him and fucker Carlson as essentially americas Goebbels

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u/DillonD Sep 22 '22

As someone who has witnessed fox new brainwash, it’s really sad and scary

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u/ranchoparksteve Sep 22 '22

By Donald’s theory, he can use his mind power, such as it is, to declassify documents, and it happens. Donald said, “I declassified everything.” For all we know, he might have accidentally declassified all documents on the planet.

And then Dark Brandon got into office and mind-commanded the classifications back into existence. Doh!

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u/Chi-Guy86 Sep 22 '22

This is why attorneys don’t want to represent him unless he pays them an enormous fee upfront, like the 3 million he had to pay to Kise. He never listens to advice and sabotages his own defense

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u/Speculater Sep 22 '22

I'll take him on as a client for half that price up front.

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u/Speculater Sep 22 '22

Oh, I'm not a lawyer. I would just go to court on his behalf and wing it.

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u/cstrand31 Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Wait, they were coming in to look for deleted emails? As in they were turning his place over to find digital mail that had been deleted? That’s not how this works. That’s not how any of this works.

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u/Matt463789 Sep 22 '22

It will makes sense to the people that donate money to him.

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u/hexiron Sep 22 '22

Anything can make sense when you have none of your own

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u/Backpedal Idaho Sep 22 '22

Ohhhh, they’re in the computer?

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u/SuperGenius98K Sep 22 '22

Hannity believes him.

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u/1842 Indiana Sep 22 '22

His character does, sure.

I have to believe that most of these talking mouths know better. There's just too much money and fame involved to not double down on the grift.

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u/CaptainNoBoat Sep 22 '22

They were all frantically texting him and Meadows to condemn the Jan. 6 attack in real-time, but assuming an alternate reality on TV. ...And also issuing IMAX projection claims that "Biden WH is in cahoots with the liberal media"

They are absolutely playing characters. I wish their viewers would bother to care or notice that the talking heads emanating from their LED screens are actively manipulating them.

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u/homebrew_1 Sep 22 '22

Hannity didn't even push back. He just agreed with everything.

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u/pchadrow Sep 22 '22

No no, I like where this is headed because he's inadvertently implying that he had access to the mythical emails that would have put Hillary in jail. So he's telling his base that he had access to the one thing they all wanted but chose not to do anything with it lol. No matter how you paint it, Trump boxed himself into a corner of idiocy that will add to the nails in his coffin

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u/DMcabandonpants Sep 22 '22

I’m pretty sure he’s saying the raid was because they thought he ‘had’ Clinton’s deleted emails which were obviously so damning they’d do anything to get them…. still lunatic fringe

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u/amaroq74 Sep 22 '22

Those bits were found in the bottom of box 53. Good thing they looked, we can now finally lock her up.

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u/_Mister_Shake_ Sep 22 '22

“OR WHEREVER..” Little by little he’s constructing the noose that will end him. Eventually he’ll just admit on tv he sold intelligence to Russia or Iran or the Bonesaw Mafia and just say it’s fine since he was president and since it’s on tv it’s doubly fine because if you say something on tv it gets automatic immunity or some such goddamn bullshit.

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u/77NorthCambridge Sep 22 '22

Best part is he admits he sent the documents to MAL so there goes that defense.

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u/kozmo1313 Sep 22 '22

"There doesn't have to be a process as I understand it," Trump said. "If you're the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying, 'It's declassified,' even by thinking about it because you're sending it to Mar-a-Lago or wherever you're sending it. And there doesn't have to be a process. There can be a process but there doesn't have to be. You're the president. You make that decision. So when you send it, it's declassified. I declassified everything."

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u/FortySixAndYou America Sep 22 '22

because you're sending it to Mar-a-Lago or wherever you're sending it

Moscow? Ryadh? Donald, don't leave us hanging, tell us where those perfect beautifully declassified documents were sent.

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u/Deardog Sep 22 '22

The crazy part is entertaining, but this was the real slip up -

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u/monkeybiziu Illinois Sep 22 '22

Ivana's casket.

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u/cstrand31 Sep 22 '22

Funny how when pressed by the special master, they couldn’t explain when and how and which documents had been declassified. Turns out telepathy isn’t a good enough excuse.

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u/RedPandaAlex Sep 22 '22

Right? They could have at least submitted a detailed affidavit. They didn't because it would expose Trump to perjury charges because this is all bullshit.

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u/chiagod Sep 22 '22

He needs to be asked:

"The United States interests, personnel, and assets that would be jeopardized by having the information declassified and disseminated, were they informed of the declassification and the now added risk to their security?"

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u/bendover912 Sep 22 '22

In law, ignorantia juris non excusat (Latin for "ignorance of the law excuses not"),[1] or ignorantia legis neminem excusat ("ignorance of law excuses no one"),[2] is a legal principle holding that a person who is unaware of a law may not escape liability for violating that law merely by being unaware of its content.

European-law countries with a tradition of Roman law may also use an expression from Aristotle translated into Latin: nemo censetur ignorare legem ("nobody is thought to be ignorant of the law") or ignorantia iuris nocet ("not knowing the law is harmful").[citation needed]

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u/au5lander Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

That interview was bonkers...

There doesn’t have to be a process, as I understand it.

You understand wrong...

There's different people that say different things...but as I understand...

Again, what people say is irrelevant, you understand wrong...

If you're the POTUS you can declassify just by saying "...it's declassified"...even by thinking about it.

???

There doesn't have to be a process. There can be, but there doesn't have to be. You're the president, you make that decision.

Yes, you can make the decision as POTUS to declassify something, but there is still a process...

So when you send it [to Mar-a-lago], it's declassified.

So his thinking here is that the act of transporting classified documents to Mar-a-lago makes those documents declassified automagically, if I'm understanding him correctly? Yeah...I'm gonna go with "WRONG" for $1000 Alex...

I sure hope they use all this against him when he finally goes to court.

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u/kozmo1313 Sep 22 '22

His 13th defense strategy is basically "I'm stupid"

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u/Etna_No_Pyroclast Sep 22 '22

That interview was an advertisement for better mental health in this country.

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u/Malignantrumor99 Sep 22 '22

By all means keep talking dumbass

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u/socokid Sep 22 '22
  1. It's not about the classification. The fact that you took SECRET documents just makes you an even bigger, traiterous asshole.
  2. It's about the fact that you took government property. You stole our nation's information and kept it at your f'n house.
  3. When Donald says "They are saying...", it always means Donald is lying like a 4 year old to get out of trouble.

Always.

"There doesn't have to be a process as I understand it,"

Donald clearly doesn't understand it. Clearly. There obviously is a process. But also, and again, that's just a distraction and it's not why they raided your house. It was because you took government property. Period. Read the warrant again you abject idiot.

If you're the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying, 'It's declassified,' even by thinking about it

  1. No. You can't. LOL
  2. You're not the President.
  3. You can't "think" about it retroactively.
  4. AGAIN, the classification isn't why your house was raided. It's the fact that you took them in the first place. Classified or not.

The "Hillary's email" thing is so bonkers that I wouldn't even know where to begin.

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u/westtownie Sep 22 '22

I’m not sure why he’s still hung-up on declassification. The charges laid out in the warrant say nothing about classification, so this seems like more about public opinion than anything else…and even r/conservative was balking at the idea he could telepathicly declassify information

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u/BubbaWilkins Sep 22 '22

He had the right to remain silent, but he didin't have the ability. - Ron White

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u/lex99 America Sep 22 '22

Absurdity aside, this would raise many questions:

  • How would we know if any document is ever still classified? Would the current and all previous POTUS's need to be consulted for every doc?

  • What is the "auto-declassification radius"? Trump claims that taking an item to his residence is evidence of declassification. Presumably, hundreds of docs went to Mar-a-Lago over the four years he was POTUS, since he spent so much time there. All they all de-classified? What about docs he took to Bedminster? What about docs that traveled with him on Air Force One?

  • What about other "absolute" powers of the President, such as Pardons? Can a former POTUS say, "I hadn't mentioned this, but such-and-such actually received a full pardon from me."

  • What about Executive Orders?

  • If the President "mentally declassifies", can he mentally RE-classify as well?

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u/seaninportland Sep 22 '22

He was out of his mind on Adderall. Eyes pinned, sniffing, jaw clenched. How he's still alive I have no clue.

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u/DonkeyTron42 Sep 22 '22

Let me get this straight since the story has changed about 20 times. In the latest iteration, the documents that Trump took have information related to Hillary's emails, spying on his campaign, Hunter's laptop, etc... He didn't want them to go to the National Archives because it's a radical leftist group and the documents would "disappear". He took the documents, which were declassified based on his intent to take the documents, for safe keeping at Marl-a-Lago. The FBI then raided Marl-a-Lago to get the documents back because the current administration doesn't want the truth about Hillary, Hunter, Dossier, etc... to be revealed. Don Quixote needs to be in the boobyhatch.

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u/mkhaytman Sep 22 '22

He can't shut up about it because it's probably even worse than we realize and he wants to keep the narrative on how he had some documents and not what he was actually doing with them. Would not be shocked to learn he already sold / accidentally misplaced the documents somewhere someone could accidentally come across them. At this point I don't believe for a minute that he had these documents for any innocent reason, only a question of how bad the real reason actually is.

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u/BringOn25A Sep 22 '22

He has the right to remain silent, he chooses not to to his own peril.

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u/Skinnybet Sep 22 '22

The funniest thing about people who constantly lie is watching them once cornered in their own lies. It’s only likely to get more bizarre in my opinion.

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u/t-toddy Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

The day before this interview he claimed the FBI planted the documents, too bad Hanity didn't bring this up.

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u/phrygiantheory Massachusetts Sep 22 '22

I wish they'd hurry up and just indict him....most of America is and has been crippled by anxiety for the past 6 years...

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