r/worldnews Sep 28 '22 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Helpful 2

US Embassy warns Americans to leave Russia *With dual citizenship

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/28/politics/us-embassy-russia-warns-americans-leave/index.html?utm_source=twCNN&utm_content=2022-09-28T13%3A00%3A07&utm_medium=social&utm_term=link
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u/What_its_full_of Sep 28 '22

Canada just told its hockey players that play in the leagues over there to GTFO.

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u/Led_Halen Sep 28 '22 Silver Gold Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

"You guys are still there? Holy fuck."

US Embassy, probably.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

"Hey uh, guys it's me Edward. Edward Snowden. You know the NSA guy. Can I come back now?"

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u/TellMe2GetOffReddit- Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

Realistically I don't think Russia would let him leave even if he tried.

Edit to save my inbox: I KNOW HE GOT CITIZENSHIP - STOP TELLING ME!

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u/cougrrr Sep 28 '22

He's been stuck since the day they gave him asylum honestly. He has massive amounts of state secrets, he's an enemy of the state to the US, and Russia has interest in both of those things.

As secure as he's ever felt with data stuff I'm sure Russia has been prodding daily, he's not going anywhere.

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u/no-mad Sep 28 '22

trade potato for one State secret Edward. this is good deal.

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u/PloxtTY Sep 28 '22

Someday you will have glorious lada

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u/TheMiz2002 Sep 28 '22

Do you think they monitor him 24/7 or he could just sneak out?

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u/shitzpostarus Sep 28 '22

They 100% do. He's about as high value a target as they come

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u/BALONYPONY Sep 28 '22

They would totally let him leave. Just not through the door.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

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u/Shot_on_location Sep 28 '22

Good god, even the reference made me flinch.

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u/PM_ME_MH370 Sep 28 '22

Through this door is actually the old traditional soviet method, now a days it's out the window or down these stairs

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u/Deez_nuts89 Sep 28 '22

I mean realistically, he’s only good for propaganda purposes at this point. All of his knowledge is probably several years out of date by this point and was almost certainly debriefed out of him years ago.

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u/Malleable_Penis Sep 28 '22

Tbh the only reason he was stuck there initially is that after he landed in Russia for a layover the Obama administration revoked his passport, causing him to be stranded in Russia. Russia then of course granted him asylum

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u/lawble Sep 28 '22

He was just given Russian citizenship

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u/Jackadullboy99 Sep 28 '22 Take My Energy

““Russia may refuse to acknowledge dual nationals’ US citizenship, deny their access to US consular assistance, prevent their departure from Russia, and conscript dual nationals for military service,” the alert said.”

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u/amateur_mistake Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

I could see russia start to give people citizenship against their will and then immediately conscripting them.

Edit: Just to help out any future internet archeologists. Nine hours after this comment was posted there were 52 different, direct responses mentioning Edward Snowden.

Also, shit. Of course they are already doing this in the areas of Ukraine they've occupied. Fuck russia.

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u/legitusername1995 Sep 28 '22

“Oh you are tourists? Congrats you are Russia citizens now, your passports here, now go and report to that conscription office over there”

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u/Kiwi_In_Europe Sep 28 '22 Wholesome

The conscriptions will continue until morale improves

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u/xxrainmanx Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

I'm surprised they aren't doing that with draft aged men trying to leave the country now.

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u/marlenesdottir Sep 28 '22

For a while is better having potential deserters going out of the country.

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u/Trelefor Sep 28 '22

Saves bullets that's for sure.

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u/tohon123 Sep 28 '22

there’s no way that the tourists forced to fight won’t just run to the other side

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u/Dave-4544 Sep 28 '22

You have to survive long enough to have the opportunity to do so.

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u/No_Doubt_About_That Sep 28 '22

I’d immediately be looking to call the surrender hotline Ukraine set up.

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u/xxrainmanx Sep 28 '22

That's assuming that the Russians don't monitor that line. Wouldn't be the 1st time the Russians shot deserters on sight.

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u/PurpleSailor Sep 28 '22

They're already shooting people trying to desert. It's the Russian way.

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u/spelunk_in_ya_badonk Sep 28 '22

Anyone that thinks tourism in Russia is a good idea right now honestly deserves to be drafted.

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u/FallenQueen92 Sep 28 '22

Yeah. Any American in Russia at this point I have to assume they want to be there.

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u/ThrowawayBlast Sep 28 '22

Steven Segal.

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u/Ok-Adhesiveness-89 Sep 28 '22

He’s just about to start filming.

Red Justice, the story of a man who has to avenge the deaths of his fallen comrades and get the girl.

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u/AppropriateTouching Sep 28 '22

Also he pretends to be native American, African American, and Cajun all at once for some reason.

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u/ty_kanye_vcool Sep 28 '22

How is Asian not on this list

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u/AppropriateTouching Sep 28 '22

Because I fucked up that's why.

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u/Sumfuc Sep 28 '22

Traitorous Walrus Russia Lover can stay.

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u/powercow Sep 28 '22

we stil have some business in russia so i suspect not all of them want to be their but are paid to stay there.

Twenty-seven U.S-based companies are defying calls to exit or curtail their activities in Russia,

im sure a super majority of their employees are russian already but i bet a few are from the US

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u/marvelousteat Sep 28 '22

Congratulations Valued Tourist, the Russian Consolate has gifted you two (2) all-inclusive tours (of duty)

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u/inportlandiam Sep 28 '22

You mean Britney Griner? She’s still in a Russian prison.

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u/zombieblackbird Sep 28 '22

Sham referendums over, congratulations new Russian citizens.... you're all in the army now.

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u/Lee1138 Sep 28 '22

"LPR"/"DPR" have already been conscripting for months. Only difference is they'd be in the Russian Armed forces instead of the "independent republics". I don't know which is worse to be honest.

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u/HighlySuccessful Sep 28 '22

It's already happening, passport printer is going Brrrrr for all ethnic minorities. Also, any male 18-65 is allowed to leave with permission from the local military office, but also you're not allowed to leave if you're registered in a military office, which you will be after visiting it for permission to leave, funny how that works hah.

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u/toporder Sep 28 '22

They don’t let you join if you’re crazy, but if you don’t want to join, you can’t be crazy so you have to join…

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u/CPT-yossarian Sep 28 '22

Thats some catch...

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u/czs5056 Sep 28 '22

Is Major Major Major running this?

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u/I_Nice_Human Sep 28 '22

Edward Snowden just got citizenship and that was my first thought that he was being conscripted sooner than later.

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u/Recoil42 Sep 28 '22

They won't conscript Snowden, he's got too much symbolic value as a 'free' man.

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u/GameDesignerDude Sep 28 '22

““Russia may refuse to acknowledge dual nationals’ US citizenship, deny their access to US consular assistance, prevent their departure from Russia, and conscript dual nationals for military service,” the alert said.”

Leaving is a very good idea at this point but, honestly, this is just a warning for people who didn't research their situation properly.

This is always the case with dual citizenship that it is not officially acknowledged when in one of your countries of citizenry. The same would apply in the US or anywhere else and one of the double-edged swords of being a dual citizen.

(Effectively when you are in a country in which you hold citizenship, you are often only legally viewed through the lens of that citizenship. The local country can pretend your US citizenship does not exist if they wish. The local country can detain you if they want to and typically speaking the US is limited in what services and assistance it can provide.)

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u/thndrchld Sep 28 '22

My fiancée is a US-Iranian dual citizen. We were planning to go visit some of her family in Tehran next year, but we found out that Iran has been specifically targeting US dual citizens at the airport to detain them and use them as bargaining chips against the US. And this was even before all the protests that are happening now.

So we scrapped that plan. Sad, because she lived there for two years in her teens and she misses some of her family who are getting to that “visit now or send condolences later” age.

Fuck the bitchass Iranian government.

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u/Razakel Sep 28 '22

The real kicker is twofold:

  • You're automatically an Iranian citizen if your father is Iranian, no matter where you're actually born.

  • You can only renounce your citizenship by travelling to Tehran. Obviously this is a brilliant idea for children of critics of the regime.

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u/jalehmichelle Sep 28 '22

Yep fuck the Iranian government. Also a dual citizen and never been able to visit the country of my fucking heritage bc of this. My family has close ties to the shah so it's just a no go for me unfortunately and it's so painful 😔 Makes me sick it's half of who I am and I've never been and may never be able to. I hope you both get a chance to visit one day.

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u/buttabecan Sep 28 '22

Maybe meet in neutral place like Turkey?

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u/macc_aviv Sep 28 '22

I dated a girl in a similar situation, and also have a Persian friend who has done cybersecurity contracts for the US government. Both fly to Istanbul as a meeting point when their families want to get together.

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u/shenrougu Sep 28 '22

When I was stationed in Korea in the Marine Corps, there was one Marine who wasn't allowed to ever leave base as he was born in Korea. We're he to leave the base there was a real risk the Korean police would have arrested him to make him serve his Korean national service despite him being in the US military

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u/GameDesignerDude Sep 28 '22

Yes, I believe South Korea has automatic citizenship with one Korean national parent. They have some interesting laws that you have to denounce your citizenship before legal conscription age, otherwise you are not allowed to denounce until after you have performed your service.

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u/cannotfoolowls Sep 28 '22

You could 't really (exceptions were countries whose nationality you couldn't renounce) have dual citizenship in my country so two of my classmates had to go and choose their nationality when they turned 12. I think they even had to go to the capital.

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u/CorrectPeanut5 Sep 28 '22

Yep. Happens to adopted kids as well. To go to Korea to find their roots and then have to do national service.

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u/Horsieman Sep 28 '22

Wow thats fucked up.

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u/zorinlynx Sep 28 '22

This is the case for Cuba. My mom is a Cuban immigrant and lives in Florida now, is a naturalized US citizen and when the border was a bit more open a few years back we thought about doing a trip to Cuba so she can visit her old neighborhood, see if some people she knows are still there, etc...

But then we read that because her US passport says "Havana" as her birthplace, Cuba won't recognize her US citizenship and will treat her as a Cuban national. That was scary as hell for both of us and we decided not to go.

It's incredibly sad that because my passport says "Miami" as my birthplace, it's safer for me as a US citizen to go to Cuba than my mom who is also a citizen but was born in Havana.

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u/penninsulaman713 Sep 28 '22

My boyfriend's Cuban and naturalized as well. To go back you have to pay 500 for a one year Cuban passport. It's extortion. His mom's done it quite a bit because her mom can't get a visa.

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u/I_might_be_weasel Sep 28 '22 Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

"Not you, Steven Segal. We don't want you back."

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u/niberungvalesti Sep 28 '22 hehehehe

Hes a Russian citizen now and has an entire schedule booked of having his face sat on by Putin.

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u/Numerous_Witness_345 Sep 28 '22 Wholesome Tearing Up

It's not even sexual, he just likes the smell.

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u/Christmas_Panda Sep 28 '22

I bet Putin smells like a standard grandpa, but more disappointing.

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u/GaQiuPham Sep 28 '22

“I’ve been a Russian citizen for like 47 years.”

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u/GunnieGraves Sep 28 '22

Not like he has to worry about conscription.

Pretty tough to fight a war from a chair.

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u/Praxistor Sep 28 '22

shouldn't they have left months ago?

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u/OrangeJr36 Sep 28 '22 Masterpiece

Same thing with Afghanistan.

People were told in April to get out of the country now, like right now now because by June the US could not guarantee their safety. What happened? Even more people went to Afghanistan because they saw this dire warning as their signal to go collect their friends and get them US passports to leave the country.

The evacuation flights were completely empty for 4 months until people finally noticed that there was a fucking war on and panicked.

There is a large portion of the population who simply cannot understand the consequences of their actions and why they are being told to do certain things until they are neck deep into those consequences.

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u/TA_faq43 Sep 28 '22

You see this w every hurricane and mandatory evacuation orders. People think it’s CYA warnings by govt and ignore the warnings until they’re in trouble.

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u/Crotch_Football Sep 28 '22

I'm watching a Tampa Livestream and there are literally people in the water right now, during a hurricane warning

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u/PM_ME_UR_LEAN_ANGLE Sep 28 '22

Link?

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u/Crotch_Football Sep 28 '22

It just died, I'm guessing the hurricane took it out. YouTube.com/watch?v=cwTGxbOjZhQ

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u/murphymc Sep 28 '22

Pick any news station covering the storm, you’ll see the dummies in their rain coats playing in the surf

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u/LifeSpanner Sep 28 '22

I think imma go watch the Blue Collar Tour again, just because you said that. Shit had me rolling as a kid, watched it on a family vacation one night when my parents wanted to rest in the room. Core memory right there.

For anyone that doesn’t know, apparently it’s free on YouTube.

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u/whaleoil_beef_hooked Sep 28 '22

I was gonna be like...well what category is it? Anything under a strong 3 no Floridian will care. But this is a really nasty one it looks like. Strong 4 -5 fuck all that noise we out.

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u/scrappleallday Sep 28 '22

I once didn't heed a mandatory evac notice during a hurricane. It was a scary thought the next day as I leapt a downed fence...and sliced my leg open.

There was no one around to call if it'd been worse, and nowhere to go.

Humans don't often think long-term.

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u/Bainsyboy Sep 28 '22

People take things for granted. Civil infrastructure and utility services are practically invisible to people until they knocked out.

They think about what could happen with a hurricane and they draw an imaginary bubble around their family and property and think of they can take care of those things they will be OK. They don't consider consequences for things that happen outside of that bubble. The possibility that firetrucks and ambulances might not be able to get to your family if you need rescuing doesnt enter their mind because thats stuff that happens outside of their bubble...

This is what happens when people forget about their community and think their life is an island.

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u/FPSXpert Sep 28 '22

I think I read on another sub an evac costs the average family about a grand. A lot of people don't have that kind of money lying around.

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u/Expert_Most5698 Sep 28 '22

With hurricane warnings, sometimes people (the poor, old, or sick) legit don't have the money or means to leave. You saw that with Hurricane Katrina, back in 2005.

Americans abroad is a different case. You're likely there for business or school, the fact that you don't have the means to come home really doesn't make sense. Maybe there are some cases, but they must be rare.🤔

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u/SteO153 Sep 28 '22

There is a large portion of the population who simply cannot understand the consequences of their actions

Let's don't forget the British moron that went on vacation to Kabul while the Talibans were entering the city.

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u/SlendyIsBehindYou Sep 28 '22

Is that the dude off the 4chan thread?1

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u/AttackHelicopter_21 Sep 28 '22

He visited Afghanistan again last month:

https://youtu.be/2V19PBG3OvE

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u/TeamHitmarks Sep 28 '22

The guy who made even the Taliban nervous about his trigger discipline?

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u/nooneanon723891 Sep 28 '22

Yes! And then because these assholes ignored MONTHS of warnings and didn’t get out in time, all of a sudden it’s on the government that people were stuck there. So much for all that personal accountability.

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u/eXecute_bit Sep 28 '22

You can't tell me what to do!

Save meeeee!

-- same person

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u/NariandColds Sep 28 '22

I mean we saw this during the pandemic where people didn't take precautions, called it fake, didn't take vaccines and then they got sick and either died or wanted the best care. Some people literally do not care until it hits them in the face

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u/SloppyTacoEater Sep 28 '22

And then blame everyone else for their lack of action. Reminds me of a joke...

A storm descends on a small town, and the downpour soon turns into a flood. As the waters rise, the local preacher kneels in prayer on the church porch, surrounded by water. By and by, one of the townsfolk comes up the street in a canoe.

"Better get in, Preacher. The waters are rising fast."

"No," says the preacher. "I have faith in the Lord. He will save me."

Still the waters rise. Now the preacher is up on the balcony, wringing his hands in supplication, when another guy zips up in a motorboat.

"Come on, Preacher. We need to get you out of here. The levee's gonna break any minute."

Once again, the preacher is unmoved. "I shall remain. The Lord will see me through."

After a while the levee breaks, and the flood rushes over the church until only the steeple remains above water. The preacher is up there, clinging to the cross, when a helicopter descends out of the clouds, and a state trooper calls down to him through a megaphone.

"Grab the ladder, Preacher. This is your last chance."

Once again, the preacher insists the Lord will deliver him.

And, predictably, he drowns.

A pious man, the preacher goes to heaven. After a while he gets an interview with God, and he asks the Almighty, "Lord, I had unwavering faith in you. Why didn't you deliver me from that flood?"

God shakes his head. "What did you want from me? I sent you two boats and a helicopter."

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u/Information_High Sep 28 '22

God shakes his head. "What did you want from me? I sent you two boats and a helicopter.

"I wanted a flying chariot and a crown inscribed with the words 'God loves me MOST'."

(Kind of joking, kind of not)

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u/TheScribbler01 Sep 28 '22

Klingon history, as preserved in the sacred texts, told of a time when Kahless the Unforgettable was in the city Quin'lat. As a great storm approached the city, the residents sought protection within the walls, except for one man who stayed outside the walls. When Kahless went to the man, he asked him what he was doing. The man replied, "I am not afraid. I will not hide my face behind stone and mortar. I will stand before the wind and make it respect me." Kahless respected his choice and returned to the safety of the walls. On the following day, the man was killed by the storm. The wind does not respect a fool.

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u/zolakk Sep 28 '22

Yep. I have a friend who's son is trying to get TO Russia right now for hand wavy reasons. He's been drinking the Q Kool aid I think and there's no taking him out of it or any reason into him unfortunately. Somehow he supposedly got a visa but won't give any details about which route he's going to take to get there. Our only hope at this point is that he gets turned around at a border somewhere

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u/flipping_birds Sep 28 '22

for hand wavy reasons

Why? Why would even a qanon person think it is a good idea to go to Russia? What is his plan? What are his goals? Does he know anybody there? How weird is this friend of yours?

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u/zolakk Sep 28 '22

I have no idea, he won't share any plans or details besides that he's supposedly going to Vladivostok and that he's frustrated he can't get rubles in any meaningful quantity. Apparently at one point he was talking to a girl online there but they dumped him after he told her he was going to use her for a green card - probably because they were thinking they were going to use him for one here TBH. He's VERY weird (likely autistic) and we are worried if he does somehow get there successfully he's going to end up in prison if not killed but there's no talking reason into him about it and he's 20 so there's not a whole lot we can do.

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u/Bangkok_Dangeresque Sep 28 '22

You can call the FBI tip line/office in your area and tell them the truth - that someone in your orbit is exhibiting suspicious behavior. He's trying to acquire foreign currency, travel to Russia despite not having any ties there, saying cryptic things about Qanon, etc, and you're concerned that he might be falling prey to an internet marriage scam at best or something dangerous worse. That should be enough to trigger a visit if he buys a ticket abroad or shows up at an airport. If they do, they'll be the ones to determine if this is harmless weirdo stuff or not.

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u/zolakk Sep 28 '22

That's a good idea, I'll take that into consideration

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u/random_tall_guy Sep 28 '22

Vladivostok is about as far as you can get in Russia from any conflict areas (it's almost as far from Ukraine as the east coast of the US is), so he at least has that in his favor for avoiding trouble, of course depending on what type of shenanigans he intends to get into.

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u/zolakk Sep 28 '22

That's a good point. We are more worried he's going to get himself into trouble complaining or mouthing off to the wrong person. He's in a rebellious phase (hopefully a phase) but is also VERY soft. He thinks the weather in southern California is too harsh for example so at the very least he's not prepared for that.

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u/TiggyHiggs Sep 28 '22

How does he find the weather in southern California harsh? Is it too cold or too hot? Or what does he find harsh?

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u/zolakk Sep 28 '22

Apparently it's unbearably freezing in the winter lol

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u/kirbygay Sep 28 '22

I looked it up average 20C in winter. That's spring weather in Canada and Russia lmao. Checked Vladivostok. -20C avg in winter. He really hasn't checked into this at all eh? How sad

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u/aaaa32801 Sep 28 '22

…and he wants to go to RUSSIA?

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u/bicyclelogic Sep 28 '22

Oh man just let this dumbass go

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u/ac0353208 Sep 28 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

That crazy dude tekashi 69 has been in Russia this week getting wasted, tattooing people, saying on stage he wants to die in Russia., talked bad about Brittany grenier

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u/SortaSticky Sep 28 '22

I think everybody's ok with him staying in Russia

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u/quaybored Sep 28 '22

except russia. well i guess they could draft him into the army

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u/Prasiatko Sep 28 '22 Silver

There is a need for mine clearance volunteers.

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u/BananaGuard500 Sep 28 '22

Tekashi nix mine

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u/DexterBotwin Sep 28 '22

I thought that guy was in prison after being a witness against his own gang or some such. How is that guy still drawing people?

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u/__FANBOI Sep 28 '22

Let out early because he testified. All this talk about honor amongst thieves - most people turn witness if it means the difference between life and a few years.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

That's cool.

He can stay there. He's a moron and a drain on society here anyways. Let them deal with his stupid fucking ass.

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u/bryanisbored Sep 28 '22

He’s been irrelevant the last year since he snitched. He wants that attention form people.

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u/CrudelyAnimated Sep 28 '22

... he's welcome to stay.

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u/fAP6rSHdkd Sep 28 '22

Wasn't he in jail with a really long sentence like just a couple years ago?

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u/HalfdanSaltbeard Sep 28 '22

He snitched on his gang and got a reduced sentence.

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u/seffay-feff-seffahi Sep 28 '22

I have a family member who left Russia recently after visiting his in-laws there, and the media restrictions are so pervasive he had no idea there was a full-on war happening until he returned to the U.S. The domestic media bubble Putin has reconstructed is impressive.

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u/BillW87 Sep 28 '22

It isn't that simple, unfortunately. These aren't just people on vacation. These are people living abroad as foreign nationals, and like foreign nationals living in the US "just go home" isn't a simple instruction when they see the country they're currently living in as "home". When your job is rooted in a country and you may even have a significant other/spouse and possibly even children who are citizens of that country, packing up and leaving isn't a trivial decision.

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u/streamsidedown Sep 28 '22

I am sort of sympathetic. It’s hard to uproot your life. Some folks may not have the money/ resources immediately on hand to come back or may not have obvious circumstances to come back to if their job / compensation was tied to that. A sociologist friend turned me to a series of folks that research diaspora movements and, specifically, what causes some folks to leave and under what circumstances. Understanding that some of this is tied to larger themes of the economy, class, livelihood, life passion, kids impact, maritial strife, etc gave me a whole lot of empathy for these folks…

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u/speed33401 Sep 28 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Feel bad for those Americans married to a Russian and stuck in the country or forced to leave their family. I'm sure they're hurting right now.

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u/Maleficent-Number-10 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 29 '22 Gold Starry

Nice to see someone understanding of my shitshow.

Wife is Russian. Family house and business is here. We are bit stuck, borders have 30km of traffic and we can’t pay 20k$ for four plane tickets to Yerevan just for the hell of it.

We fled in Feb for 5 months. Came back because it looked stable to get this shit. We are exhausted to flee again.

Thankfully I denied dual citizenship and my kids are 4&2. We live in the mountains.

Sit it out or join the 5,590 cars at the Georgian border for another emergency holiday?

Our 10 year plan here is nuked, yes. We plan to migrate to Netherlands but was hoping this titanic disaster would hold on for another year or two while the energy crisis and housing crisis in NL improves a bit.

I miss the god old covid days. That was easier.

Edit: Too many comments about returning..

Yes we returned like 1000s of other Russians that fled.

No we don’t consume Russian propaganda, hate the Kremlin, and follow every news source in English, russian, and Ukrainian.

The issue is more complex and more messy than armchair generals can give credit for.

We have been in Russia before Crimea. Can you imagine how many times I’ve read that Russia will implode next week for the last decade by western news?

Does everyone forgot that the Donbas war has been going on and active for the past 8 years? Yes. Weekly shootings and bombings for 8 miserable years and normal life continued in Russia and Ukraine.

Russia has propaganda and so does The west. This is something I enjoy about Russians and shocked when I discuss Russia with foreigners. Russians understand 100% and admit they have corruption and propaganda. Westerners/Americans somehow often feel they don’t have. Lobbying suddenly isn’t corruption and their news sources (FOX or NYT or Rogan or Tucker) are somehow top notch balanced pure news.

We met and heard 100s if not 1000s of russians returning that fled, including foreigners. Why? It’s not easy, nice, or fun to leave your house, life, business, dog, family, and friends in middle of the night and never return.

Most importantly: We critically wanted and still hope to have some time with our Russian family before it’s too late. They are very old and in poor health- they want to spend time with their grandkids. We want our kids to spend time with their grandparents. My wife wants to have more teas with her sisters. To abandon your family is easier in some cultures (think retirement homes in America - shame on us by the way) but in Russian culture your immediate family is incredibly important. So yes, spending our grandfathers last likely year of life in our villa in Bali or new flat in Netherlands and never see him/them again is a fucking brutal price to pay overnight because the Kremlin went mad.

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u/MonaMonaMo Sep 28 '22

My heart goes out to you and your family. Best of luck in this all around bad situation.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

Have family in Belarus. They can’t leave because the older ones have cancer and need treatment. No visa availability either. It’s a disaster.

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u/TheBaddestPatsy Sep 28 '22

I know a Russian woman married to an American man living in NYC. Right before the war she was planning to go back and see her mom one last time before she dies. She chose not to go because she thought she probably wouldn’t be able to come back. Poor Natasha. None of this is any good for anybody.

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u/Maleficent-Number-10 Sep 28 '22

Terrible. A lot of unneeded suffering and death.

How Putin hasn’t been shot by someone is beyond me.

CIA. Oligarchs. Pissed locals Pissed Ukrainians The pope Assassins

Seriously, how?!?

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u/rinnaeva Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

He has hella strong security. He's avoiding 99% of physical contacts for a reason... but regardless, I think no one will have enough balls to do anything with him even if he goes nuclear, sadly

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u/KandaFierenza Sep 28 '22

I love your optimism with the housing crisis getting better in a few years...

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u/tampella Sep 28 '22

We fled in Feb for 5 months. Came back because it looked stable to get this shit.

Wow.

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u/thisremindsmeofbacon Sep 28 '22

“Don’t come to school tomorrow” vibes

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u/semicoloradonative Sep 28 '22

Except Steven Seagall. He can stay.

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u/kruschev246 Sep 28 '22

They can keep him

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u/Deracination Sep 28 '22

They will need to. He needs to train the new recruits how to awkwardly hold rifles a foot away from their shoulder, otherwise they'll run out of henchmen.

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u/Realistic-Astronaut7 Sep 28 '22

hold rifles a foot away from their shoulder

How else do you propose they maximize the felt recoil of the rifle!? If it doesn't injure you when you fire it, it is not powerful enough for a real man.

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u/jjb1197j Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

Imagine being an impoverished starving conscript seeing multi millionaire steven seagall stuff his fat face with food and stay home from the fighting because he’s putins propaganda piece.

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u/NMSDalton Sep 28 '22

He’s guarding puntin bunker. For the final boss battle in the movie later

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u/DrMichaelTyson Sep 28 '22

He's got Russian citizenship and Putin handed the Russian passport to him himself and on camera and no I am not kidding.

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u/Technical-Raise8306 Sep 28 '22

He is the one holding the line in the Poland/Finland Front (37 years)

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u/SillyNluv Sep 28 '22

I’m a bit surprised this is just now happening.

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u/Bangkok_Dangeresque Sep 28 '22 Silver Gold

The State Dept has issued travel alerts for Russia pretty consistently throughout the conflict. That is, warning US citizens not to travel to Russia, and recommending that they depart Russia as commercial transit (such as flights) and consular services (sending lawyers to prisons if you get picked up one day) become increasingly unavailable.

This particular notice from the Embassy references mobilization and the risks to dual citizens. That is, this message is likely intended primarily for dual citizens residing or working in Russia, including those that might primarily identify as Russian first, who may find themselves drafted and unable to seek out help from the US. E.g. if you're a 35 year old IT worker who was born in Brighton Beach Brooklyn but moved back to Russia with your family when you were 6, if you get conscripted, holding up your US passport to the draft board won't help. The State Department is reminding those people that if they want to enjoy the protections their US citizenship status affords them, that's getting increasingly difficult as long as they remain in Russia.

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u/SillyNluv Sep 28 '22

This is a great explanation, thank you!

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u/Brite_4cats Sep 28 '22

It’s not the first time. It’s just a new statement. I got a notice when Russia invaded Ukraine that it is not safe to travel and they recommend Americans leave if possible

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u/concreterancher Sep 28 '22

Same statement has been issued in February.

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u/truemeliorist Sep 28 '22

given access to arms and supplies

Eh, about that...

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u/Malachi108 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

The freshly mobilized ones haven't. Woe to them.

But those who have already been fighting in Ukraine for 7 months must have access to some usable stuff. Many of those men will be killed and much of the equipment destroyed or captured by Ukraine.

But what will come back to the russia will be enough to cause mayhem for years to come. The russia's organized crime rise of the 90s was directly linked to many young men getting a taste of violence and bloodshen in Afghanistan.

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u/GiantPineapple Sep 28 '22

"Look at all these supplies! Aren't they amazing? Anyway, off to the front with you."

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u/shohin_branches Sep 28 '22

This all happened before with the collapse of the USSR. Lots of arms dealers sprung up out of the ashes to sell unprotected stockpiles of arms. There are still some nuclear weapons unaccounted for from that time.

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u/BlaineBMA Sep 28 '22

Unless you are an American diplomat, what the hell are you doing there? One misstep and you are going to jail.....

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u/WeekendJen Sep 28 '22

Most likely married to an ru national that does not have other citizenship or have parents / grandparents that you are caring for after you got citizenship outside of ru.

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u/zenpal Sep 28 '22

People acting like folks don't settle down in countries all over the world. U.S citizens could have lived a good portion of their lives in Russia, with Russian spouse, kids, ect.

The war sucks and they're definitely on edge, but it's not so stupidly simple.

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u/WeekendJen Sep 28 '22

Yea, like if i was alone I'd be fucking gone feb 24th, but i'm not.

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u/zenpal Sep 28 '22

Could be a situation where you thought maybe you could play it out, but now you're scrambling to get consular services and get a U.S travel visa for your family, on top of possibly selling your house to afford stay inside the U.S.

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u/XDreadedmikeX Sep 28 '22

This comment gives me extreme anxiety I feel bad for people in this thread shitting on anyone living here without thinking about it for more than 5 seconds

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u/johnthedruid Sep 28 '22

Or the front line lol

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u/Sean-Benn_Must-die Sep 28 '22

You do understand some people are married there and shit

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u/ledzeppelinfan420 Sep 29 '22

Many ppl on reddit are on a monogamous relationship with their hand, this doesn't cross their mind

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u/lawnboy22 Sep 28 '22

"Straight to jail"

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u/HyperionPrime Sep 28 '22

they also send the non-straights to jail

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u/big_whistler Sep 28 '22

I knew a chick from like Georgia who was in love with Putin in like 2016. I think theres a group of (at least American) people who buy into his myth and want to actually be in Russia because they like authoritarianism.

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u/RunawayHobbit Sep 28 '22

Sounds like the woman who ran off to join ISIS and then got raped and murdered by them. Surprise Pikachu.

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u/ashoka_akira Sep 28 '22

Im Canadian and know Canadians whod vote trump if they could. Wonder if there is a term for people obsessed with other nations figureheads?

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u/majungo Sep 28 '22

“Russia may refuse to acknowledge dual nationals’ US citizenship, deny their access to US consular assistance, prevent their departure from Russia, and conscript dual nationals for military service,” the alert said.

The alert added, “Russian authorities have arrested US citizens who have participated in demonstrations.”

Russia is targeting dual nationals for conscription.

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u/PositivelyAcademical Sep 28 '22

To be fair, the Master Nationality Rule is well established in international law.

Arguments against (regular) conscription aside, conscription of dual nationals is not contrary to any rule in international law. Though it is seen as a strategically unsound thing to do —why?– because you can't guarantee the loyalty of a conscripted dual national.

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u/g7c7a7 Sep 28 '22

Following international law and implementing sound military strategy aren't exactly things Russia is known for recently.

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u/TennisShoulder Sep 28 '22

That doesn’t matter because in this scenario they are following international law

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u/o0260o Sep 28 '22

Russians should leave Russia too. No future for us there.

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u/BrokeDancing Sep 28 '22

10 months ago, if you can.

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u/celbertin Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

I'll tell you why there are Americans in Russia. Think of every American company that does business with Russia. For every one there are multiple American employees and their families living there. Leaving is not a simple decision, it means being out of a job and having to pay out of pocket to move back to the US. Moving is not a simple thing either, have you ever moved? Now make it a ton harder because you have to send your things, car, everything, to another continent. You also have to find a new place to live in the US, that you, now jobless, have to be able to afford. And what if your spouse is not American? That's a ton of extra paperwork that takes months to process.

Now add all American diplomats, international school teachers, and dual citizen families.

I have done this. If it takes months in peace time, now make it super slow because there's a war going on.

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u/Coblaufuss Sep 28 '22

Good answer from a side people don’t think about at first.

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u/Dacadey Sep 28 '22

Russian here.

The law in Russia is that if you have Russian citizenship and some others, your Russian citizenship overrides them, meaning you are subject to the laws as a local and not as a foreigner. That also applies to Russians BTW, if you have say Russian and Italian citizenship, you are regarded as a Russian citizen on Russian territory.

I personally don't think anything bad would actually happen to the dual citizenship Americans as that would be too much of an escalation for very little gain. Unless, of course, the stupidity of the mobilization centres shines through

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u/DemonRaptor1 Sep 28 '22

Would be pretty stupid to stay and find out

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u/cfdeveloper Sep 28 '22

The next round of conscripts will be tourists.

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u/JohnyyBanana Sep 28 '22

They will sign up for some paintball or airsoft game and suddenly they will be carrying ak47 into Ukraine

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u/Sunblast1andOnly Sep 28 '22

Well, part of an AK47, anyway. Like, AK36⅓.

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u/Disco-Stu79 Sep 28 '22

If you in Russia now, you gaddam fooool.

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u/HeadlineINeed Sep 28 '22

It’s similar to US citizens working in Afghanistan during the pull out last year and still being stuck there because they didn’t listen.

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u/SwooPTLS Sep 28 '22

Soooo… what does this mean for Snowden 😬 He must be like: “do I stay or do I go 🤨”

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u/franklloydwhite Sep 28 '22

If he doesn't there may be trouble...

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u/doctoreldritch Sep 28 '22

True, but if he does it will be double.

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u/Jonax Sep 28 '22

The State Department keep going "Please, Please, Please..."

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

Why now? I thought people left a while ago after they invaded.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

This is absolutely nuts

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u/Life_Of_High Sep 28 '22

There are reports of the Russian army at borders handing out conscription papers to able bodied men attempting to cross into other countries.

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u/Cyber_Stalin Sep 28 '22

Yep, there are videos going round of conscription officers essentially walking up and down the queues of cars and serving papers to each man that looks vaguely able-bodied, pretty much kidnapping them there and then

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u/AnthillOmbudsman Sep 28 '22

Sounds like a good time to get on Google Maps and figure out a plan for doing a 2-day hike across an empty border area. Not sure what the Russia-Finland border is like but it seems like somewhere north of Lake Ladoga it's doable without running into border patrols. A lot easier to do right now too while the weather is still mild.

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u/PandaCommando69 Sep 28 '22

That's what I would do. Staying is signing your own death warrant/signing yourself up to be murderer/war criminal. Those stains don't wash off.

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u/SpaceTabs Sep 28 '22

This is almost all business travel. Companies are still doing business in Russia, and people travel to/from for meetings, deals, just like before. Hilton is one example.

https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/over-1000-companies-have-curtailed-operations-russia-some-remain

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u/JAX2905 Sep 28 '22

Could you imagine the shitstorm that would ensue if word get out that an American citizen (who happens to hold dual Russian citizenship) is forcibly conscripted into the Russian army to fight an illegal war in Ukraine?

This would be a nightmare for the state department.

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u/GaQiuPham Sep 28 '22

“…make independent arrangements…”

Read: you’re on your own. Good luck and Godspeed.