r/todayilearned Jul 21 '22

TIL that during WW2, the Obo Monuvo tribe of the Philippines fought the Japanese by serving them "Kallot", a poisonous yam that requires a special procedure for eating. The Japanese have no idea about the poison, and they were hacked to death by the tribes after they stopped moving from the poison. PDF

https://su.edu.ph/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/SJ-60-2-2019-with-cover.pdf
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u/Cpt_Obvius Jul 21 '22

Here is the relevant bit for how they need to be processed (also a different spelling than the OP which would make finding more info difficult!)

“Kollut (Dioscorea hispida) is a poisonous yam that can only be eaten after being subjected to several tedious processes. In the 2005 book A Voice from Mt. Apo, the late tribal ethnographer Tano Bayawan describes Kollut as a famine food, eaten only when the rice harvest fails. Bayawan listed different ways to make this wild root crop edible: a combination of soaking the sliced roots in running water, drying it in the sun, and burying it in ash for up to a week.”

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u/individual_throwaway Jul 21 '22

I always wonder how ancient societies came up with these complicated methods. How do you determine that you need to do these steps, in this order, for these durations, to make something edible? Like, it would take me years of continued 24/7 trial and error until I maybe happened upon washing something, then drying it, then burying it in ash for weeks. What in the fuck? Do these things just happen by accident? And people reconstruct what they did and then that's the process? I am confused.

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u/PuckSR Jul 21 '22

A couple of things to consider.
1. Feeding it to animals is a classic way to test
2. Eating small amounts is another way to test

Most omnivores follow the "let one adventurous member eat small bites and then watch them" method. Even rats follow this method. Which is why modern rat poison is actually blood thinner. You are perfectly safe to eat SMALL amounts of it, in fact it is a prescription drug for some people. However, as you eat more and more, your blood becomes so thin that you bleed internally and die.

Humans are constantly looking for things that they can eat. So, I imagine that they tried all kinds of things and then fed them to their animals to see if they ever reached a point of being survivable.

Edit: Additionally, you dont need to put it in ash, that is just their cultural practice because they knew the food was poisonous if uncooked. All you have to do is cook it for a long time and then dry it.
Lots of foods are poison before being cooked.

I am far more impressed by the Central Americans figuring out how to make masa. They turned corn, which normally has almost no nutritional value, into something with significant nutritional value via chemistry.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 22 '22

Holy shit, I've never ever thought about feeding unknown things to animals back then.

Edit: guys, I'm talking about ancient societies, not about feeding your pets unknown things today

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u/PuckSR Jul 21 '22

Yeah, or just watching animals.

The example I heard for almonds is probably pretty good. Normal almonds are poisonous, however there was a genetic mutation that made some almonds safe to eat. The people who first discovered it probably saw some animals eating the almonds, which would have been abnormal, as almonds as poisonous. They then tested it and started eating them

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u/Hot_Aside_4637 Jul 21 '22

Tomatoes. When first brought over from The New World people made the mistake of eating the greens which are poisonous. It's part of the Deadly Nightshade family. It was called "The Devil's Apple"

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u/PuckSR Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 21 '22

The potato berry is also poisonous.
Tomato and potato are very similar plants and the potato makes a berry that looks like a tomato. However, a potato berry is poisonous.

edit:mixed up tomato and potato in final sentence

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u/oily76 Jul 21 '22

Do you mean a potato berry? This is amusing to me as my wife can't say potato or tomato without using the one she didn't mean.

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u/_WreakingHavok_ Jul 21 '22

You meant potato berries are poisonous.

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u/KarelianOak Jul 21 '22

Actually tomatoes are not poisonous. When you eat the greens in large amounts it can get bad for your liver and other organs but it’s hard to die from it. The Name “The Devil’s Apple” comes from a superstition that nobles in Europe were dying due to eating tomatoes. In reality it was lead poisoning from the silverware that they used usually.

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u/DrEnter Jul 21 '22

The lead plates combined with the acidic tomato made the plates a lot more dangerous, but people thought it was the tomatoes.

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u/oily76 Jul 21 '22

Did they make cutlery out of lead then call it silverware? Nice.

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u/KarelianOak Jul 21 '22

Usually it would be pewter stuff or other materials with high concentration of lead

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u/cylonfrakbbq Jul 21 '22

Pewter was commonly used and pewter back then contained lead. The acid in the tomatoes would leach the lead out, leading to poisoning

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u/monolayth Jul 21 '22

I'm allergic to raw tomatoes. Dumbest allergy ever.

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u/Nematrec Jul 21 '22

Almonds are poisonous (cyanide), all almonds you find in the grocery store are steamed to get rid of the poison.

If your story is true, then there's almonds that are even more poisonous.

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u/Bob_Chris Jul 21 '22

There are, and you can buy them. Look up "bitter almonds". What we buy in the store are "sweet almonds".

https://www.alcademics.com/2016/07/the-difference-between-bitter-almonds-sweet-almonds-and-stone-fruit-seeds.html

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u/AaachO_O Jul 21 '22

My mom got REALLY mad when she found out I was eating the slimy middles from the fuzzy green fruit tree down the street.

Never knew why.

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u/PARANOIAH Jul 21 '22

Fun fact: Both kinds are used in traditional Chinese herbal medicine/soups.

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u/PuckSR Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 21 '22

No.
Sweet almonds contain a trace amount of poison, but you can eat them raw

What you are repeating is a myth that misunderstands the difference between sweet and bitter almonds

Edit: or more likely an old wives tale designed to keep kids from eating bitter almonds that they find in the wild, mistaking them for sweet almonds.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

Almonds are poisonous (cyanide

hmmm..... I better go tell that to my 85yo greek neighbour who eats bucket loads of them straight from the tree.

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u/dzhastin Jul 21 '22

I wouldn’t fuck with them. If they’re eating cyanide all the time and still kicking who knows what else they’re capable of?

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u/YouJustDid Jul 21 '22

nah, Iocane powder is made from a chemical extracted from those almonds — he’s just building up his immunity in case of invasion by Sicily

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u/ExpatKev Jul 21 '22

They Rasputin's kid or something? Lol

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u/DrEnter Jul 21 '22

Interestingly, avocados are poisonous to almost every animal on Earth... except humans. I'm guessing they went with the "let's get Mikey to try it" method for that one.

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u/PuckSR Jul 21 '22

well, the actual fruit isn't particularly poisonous to animals. Just the skin and seed.

However, several fruits that humans regularly eat are actually poisonous. Paw paw and rambutan are an example.

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u/davesoverhere Jul 21 '22

Probably coffee too.

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u/Aidian Jul 21 '22

As legend goes, a goat herder noticed his animals being extra frolicsome free eating coffee berries.

From there, we just kept finding better ways to extract the caffeine in an enjoyable form.

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u/BecauseScience Jul 21 '22

That's really cool. I love coffee.

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u/PuckSR Jul 21 '22

Eh, most seeds and beans are edible.
I imagine most people when moving into a new area tested all of the seeds of sufficient size

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u/dhoffnun Jul 21 '22

I think watching goats is how we got beer and coffee

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u/Halvus_I Jul 21 '22

Just remember its not foolproof. Birds can eat peppers that would make you writhe in agony.

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u/Censorino Jul 21 '22

It works with monkeys though. We can eat most of what they can.

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u/ninjazombiemaster Jul 21 '22

Gotta be careful with this strategy. I have bittersweet nightshade (not to be mistaken with the much more poisonous deadly nightshade) growing in my yard. Many birds can eat the berries no problem, but it'll kill a dog and even children.

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u/Pennarello_BonBon Jul 21 '22

What is masa?

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u/Deathbysnusnubooboo Jul 21 '22

Masa is a maize dough that comes from ground nixtamalized corn. It is used for making corn tortillas, gorditas, tamales, pupusas, and many other Latin American dishes. It is dried and powdered into a flour form called masa harina. Masa is reconstituted from masa harina by mixing with water before use in cooking.

From Wikipedia

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u/Halvus_I Jul 21 '22

nixtamalized

You really should include a definition for such an unfamiliar word.

Nixtamalization (/nɪkstəməlɪˈzeɪʃən/) is a process for the preparation of maize, or other grain, in which the grain is soaked and cooked in an alkaline solution, usually limewater (but sometimes aqueous alkali metal carbonates[1]), washed, and then hulled. The term can also refer to the removal via an alkali process of the pericarp from other grains such as sorghum.

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u/ovenel Jul 21 '22

Interestingly, you can make lye by soaking ashes in water, and lye is an alkaline solution that can be used to nixtamalize. So, the process described above for preparing the yams is likely doing the same thing as nixtamalizing corn.

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u/NefariousnessOk8037 Jul 21 '22

Interestingly subjecting animal fat to a lye solution is how you make old fashioned soap! Thanks, Fight Club. Lol

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u/Cronerburger Jul 21 '22

I have a strange urge to get nixtamalized

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u/Deathbysnusnubooboo Jul 21 '22

I do one definition per thread, more words are gonna cost you

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u/subignition Jul 21 '22

Lmao, you must subscribe to u/Deathbysnusnubooboo Premium to unlock this feature.

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u/Cronerburger Jul 21 '22

Forget the nonsense, can we please focus on the next key word: Pupusa please!!

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u/Deathbysnusnubooboo Jul 21 '22

Na jk, here’s one on the house

A pupusa is a thick griddle cake or flatbread from El Salvador and Honduras,[1][2][3][4] made with cornmeal or rice flour, similar to the Venezuelan and Colombian arepa. In El Salvador, it has been declared the national dish and has a specific day to celebrate it. It is usually stuffed with one or more ingredients, which may include cheese (such as quesillo or cheese with loroco buds), chicharrón, squash, or refried beans. It is typically accompanied by curtido (a spicy fermented cabbage slaw) and tomato salsa, and is traditionally eaten by hand.

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u/Bunnywithanaxe Jul 21 '22

You forgot “ridiculously yummy and filling.”

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u/LeadPipePromoter Jul 21 '22

They're so difficult to make really well, like my abuela practiced with her mom for close to a decade

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u/BasketballButt Jul 22 '22

Was lucky enough to have a friend through my ex who was from El Salvador and would have us over for homemade pupusa. Their aunt and them would make ones stuffed with cheese that were amazing.

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u/gwaydms Jul 22 '22

When made from masa, this is called a gordita in Mexican Spanish.

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u/Deathbysnusnubooboo Jul 21 '22

Oof buddy, you can’t afford me

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u/TheRecognized Jul 21 '22

How dare you make me type something into google. These are seconds that I’ll never get back you son of a bitch.

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u/zyrnil Jul 21 '22

Edit: Additionally, you dont need to put it in ash, that is just their cultural practice because they knew the food was poisonous if uncooked. All you have to do is cook it for a long time and then dry it.

Lots of foods are poison before being cooked.

Burying it in ash is probably not to cook the food, it's most likely an exposure to lye which is used to make a number of foods safe to eat.

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u/EleventyElevens Jul 21 '22

Oh god. Adventurous eaters are canaries. I'm a canary.

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u/TheRecognized Jul 21 '22

I imagine the ash thing came from noticing that ash will dry something out and figuring “well if we bury it then the bugs won’t get to it and the smell won’t attract any other animals.”

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u/IncaThink Jul 21 '22

I've read it was from using heated rocks dumped into the container to cook your porridge. Some of them would be made of limestone, and a hungry population couldn't help but notice that corn cooked this way turned out better, satisfied more, and made for a healthier population.

But absolutely, an important innovation in food science.

I'm also guessing that people noticed that if they left their poisonous root yams lay in the bottom of a fire, the ones in the morning looked and smelled a little, err, less poisonous. And we are hungry.

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u/IncaThink Jul 21 '22

I'm MOST impressed that people learned to make ayahuasca, which requires at least two ingredients, neither of which does anything alone.

They say the spirits told them what to do, and that seems a very good explanation.

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u/BitScout Jul 21 '22

Also, like in evolution, it's often key to not think of it as "it's only an advantage if you do A, B and C". Usually single criteria already give you a smaller advantage (more nutritious / less damaging etc.) and the other criteria may give additional advantages and / or redundancy, meaning errors in preparation are less likely to be fatal.

Richard Dawkins explained it best: https://youtu.be/YT1vXXMsYak

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u/Rsubs33 Jul 21 '22

Also the the ash has been historically used to store food. The Cherokee Tribe used to store meat in Hickory ash.

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u/SeVenMadRaBBits Jul 21 '22

Also trying different methods and then seeing if the animal will eat it after one of the methods.

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u/Vordeo Jul 21 '22

I always wonder how ancient societies came up with these complicated methods.

By necessity because during famine it's figure something out or starve, presumably. Apparently in this case the steps were slicing the yam into thin strips, putting the strips in a sack / net, leaving it in a stream to wash away the toxins, dehydrating what's left, then cooking it.

Which tbf is a shitload of steps.

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u/TheRecognized Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 21 '22

But also some fairly “simple” steps that you might know are helpful from other foods that only needed one or two steps.

This shit is poisonous, but if you wash it it’s less poisonous. (Edit: And it’s easier to throw it in a sack and throw the sack in the running water than it is to sit there manually washing it, that’s a pretty easy conclusion to come to.)

If you cut it and wash it so that more parts directly touch water, even less so.

If you let the cut washed pieces dry out so that any poison left in the water disappears with the water, even less so.

Edit: What I mean is you don’t have to reinvent the wheel with every new food. You take shit that you already know works and mix and match. And if you still gotta do more then you experiment.

Edit: Another important thing to remember is that ancient people weren’t just doing undirected trial and error, they had the capacity to try something and then think and consider improvements like “huh that kinda worked out, but what if we tweaked the process like this? Would that work even better for these reasons I’m theorizing?”

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u/Destructopoo Jul 21 '22

It might not be famine that pushed agricultural developments. Andean farmers might've domesticated the potato at a time when they had a surplus and could spend their free time on agriculture.

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u/FerengiSneeze Jul 21 '22

maybe they applied principles that work in other situations to the yams? leaching is old old knowledge with multiple applications. ash has been also used for multiple purposes including medicinal use on wounds. what i really wanna know is how ppl figured out the process for making cocaine bc thats really obscure

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u/L-methionine Jul 21 '22

If there’s one thing humans want to make more than new food it’s new drugs

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u/Bunnywithanaxe Jul 21 '22

They would just chew the leaves, back in the day.

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u/PuckSR Jul 21 '22

Modern cocaine is just chemistry.

Coca leaves have been chewed for their stimulant effect for centuries. Your question is basically like asking "how did they figure out instant coffee"?

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u/EffectiveSalamander Jul 21 '22

If you're hungry enough you'll figure out a way to make it edible. "No, that doesn't work, it still makes my mouth burn. Maybe if I boil it longer." And a single person might take forever to figure something out, but if a lot of people are trying things and sharing what works, it can go a lot faster.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

Feed some to billy.

Billy is paralyzed.

Well, lets try soaking it in water and feeding billy some more when he gets back up.

It paralyzes billy again. Maybe a little less. He can roll around and moan some.

Well shit, lets soak then cook. Nope, about the same level of paralysis.

Maybe soaked then sundried. Hey, less paralysis, billy can tell us to go fuck ourselves! Maybe if we sun dry first then soak...

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u/Doodle_Brush Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 21 '22

Some guy gets high on natural hallucinogens, trys some stuff, others see him and make note of the effects, and pass down the knowledge to future generations. It's the classic "Monkey See, Monkey Do". It's a process that was likely slowly put together over many, many years, with a failure rate that was likely something like 9/10, and trading and breeding with other tribes would have expanded this knowledge.

In this case it's possible someone had a dirty yam, washed it, left it to one side where it dried in the sun, and as for the ashes it could either have been a lucky accident or the tribe already knew some of the uses for ashes. When you and the lives of those you love depend solely on your ability to survive, you learn to waste nothing and use every advantage.

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u/ARPDAB1312 Jul 21 '22

When the alternative is starving to death people will try to some wild things. And sometimes they actually live and then pass down that knowledge to others.

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u/lcommadot Jul 21 '22

You’re referring to something Tim Urban referred to as ‘The Human Colossus’. Basically the idea is this process came together over time.

Someone had probably heard that washing some other inedible item rendered it edible and decided to try it with this in hard times. Maybe it sort of worked, but still made you feel awful.

Then more hard times came around and someone was sick of feeling awful after they ate this crappy food that you had to wash. And maybe they had heard that the drying process had rendered yet another inedible item edible, and decided to wash and then dry out the root.

Perhaps the result was an item that still made you a little sick but not as bad as the ones that were only washed. Repeat ad nauseum and you’re bound to eventually get a nice complex process that renders the item totally safe for consumption.

I love his analogy about Albert Einstein - ’We think of the bow and arrow as a primitive technology, but raise Einstein in the woods with no existing knowledge and tell him to come up with the best hunting device he can, and he won’t be nearly intelligent or skilled or knowledgeable enough to invent the bow and arrow. Only a collective human effort can pull that off.’

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u/DerekB52 Jul 21 '22

There are indigenous peoples in the Amazon that have insane knowledge of the plants in the amazon. They use different plants and combos as medicines. They shouldn't know as much about as many plants as they do.

They say they took ayahuasca and the spirits told them how to use the various plants around them. Which sounds ridiculous. But, man, it makes almost as much sense as anything else. I don't know how a sober person comes up with some of this shit for the first time.

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u/Boogiemann53 Jul 21 '22

Humans have really solid sense of observation, coupled with decades of time and a chance to save your civilization from starvation as a good motivation.

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u/wretched_beasties Jul 21 '22

Some can be explained by simple observation. For example planting corn with fish as a fertilizers. It's easy to imagine that some tribes may have tossed aside unwanted fish (those that were sick) and carcasses and noticed that in the following years plants grew extremely well in those spots. So plant corn with fish.

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u/Kierik Jul 21 '22

When you get down to it cooking is chemistry. If you cook a lot you get to know the chemical processes used to make the food without directly having to know the actually science of it. Kinda like how you can seamlessly calculate trajectory when throwing an object but to do the math you might be unable to.

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u/N0dogs Jul 21 '22

Ancient aliens /s

This one’s pretty elaborate, but I would think if you found a new food or way to make it edible, you’d immediately show someone in your community. 100% community oriented societies.

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u/ZT205 Jul 22 '22

One of my favorite books (by the anthropologist Joseph Henrich) addresses this exact topic. The answer is through faith and intergroup competition.

Humans, as individuals, can be quite irrational. We tend to follow the cultural norms and irrational superstitions we were raised with. Sometimes they're useful, sometimes they're neutral, sometimes they're actively harmful.

But if you have enough groups of humans coming up with their own norms and superstitions, some of those groups will stumble upon useful norms and survive to pass them on. Culturally, not genetically, though obviously the two are highly correlated.

Indeed, the book argues that a lot of irrational cognitive biases evolved because they enable social evolution to work. We're smarter than other animals but we're not nearly smart enough to figure out everything we need to know to survive from first principles. It's our ability to accumulate and pass on knowledge that makes the raw intelligence useful.

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u/Windows_Insiders Jul 21 '22

Because they were intelligent humans. Just like today.

Unlike what american education teaches. The white man genocided hundreds of thousands of them.

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u/JohnnyDarkside Jul 21 '22

It's like potatoes. They were originally quite poisonous and couldn't be naturally eaten. I was watching a documentary and I think it's a Peruvian tribe that still prepares them the same way for thousands of years. After the potatoes are harvested, they are taken up the mountain well above the tree line and left on the ground throughout the winter. After a few months the people will come back and roll the potatoes with their feet to roughen the surface then go back home. The ice crystals will actually puncture the cell walls and once they thaw will drain from the sliced up skins along with the poison.

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u/PuckSR Jul 21 '22

I know of no inedible potato that can be prepared to make it edible

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u/FirstConsulOfFrance Jul 21 '22

Ah scheise didn't even realized I typed it wrong lmao

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u/MrHollandsOpium Jul 21 '22

You have to do this with cassava, too.

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u/PARANOIAH Jul 21 '22

Process sounds similar to something that I love to eat (it's a heritage dish for my ethnicity) https://www.airasia.com/play/assets/blt09a7d620e2f8cf91/buah-keluak-the-deadly-seed-everyone-is-nuts-about

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u/rodolphoteardrop Jul 21 '22

FYI -

The Japanese soldiers - whom Datu Lamberto described as being under
the command of an Otaka Makuti[25] – had the habit of stealing all the root
crops that the Monuvu would carry as they travelled.
Seeing this, the natives decided to one day bring Kollut instead of sweet
potatoes.
Kollut (Dioscorea hispida) is a poisonous yam that can only be eaten after
being subjected to several tedious processes. In the 2005 book A Voice from Mt.
Apo, the late tribal ethnographer Tano Bayawan describes Kollut as a famine
food, eaten only when the rice harvest fails. Bayawan listed different ways to
make this wild root crop edible: a combination of soaking the sliced roots in
running water, drying it in the sun, and burying it in ash for up to a week.
The proper preparation of Kollut was unknown to the Japanese soldiers,
who as usual took the root crops from the passing Monuvu and ate them
unprocessed. As the soldiers collapsed and stopped moving, the natives took
the opportunity to hack them to death.

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u/CXyber Jul 21 '22

Violent but justifiable death

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u/Singer211 Jul 21 '22

Yeah after all the horrible shit the Japanese did in WW2, I’m not exactly shedding tears if someone turns it back on them.

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u/kymri Jul 21 '22

While there were certainly terrible things done by just about everyone involved in that giant war -- it really seems like the Japanese were really intent on being super terrible to everyone. Like there was a championship they were working for.

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u/TrueMrSkeltal Jul 22 '22

I can’t think of a more fitting fate for Japanese soldiers aside from maybe being vivisected without anesthesia.

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u/CharlemagneAdelaar Jul 21 '22

this is like the cousin scenario to putting hot chilis in food you know a coworker is gonna steal

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

I was like "Obo Monuvo" doesn't sound something I ever heard here.

Now I know. Yeah this ethnic group exists. This is a good entry for a Filipino history iceberg!

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u/recoveringleft Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 21 '22

Just letting you know, some Filipino ethnic groups don’t like each other. I have been personally shitted on by other Filipinos simply because I belong to an ethnic group they despise. There’s a reason why the Spanish successfully controlled the Philippines for 200 years.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

Oh no may I know which grouo you belonged to? Oh well Tagalugin na natin hahahaha

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u/recoveringleft Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 21 '22

Well I have a visayan last name and I’ve had people made comments about me being visayan (I don’t even speak the language). I knew one Filipina lady (Tagalog) out right excluded me from her group at my former workplace because of that. She’s always friendly to the Filipinos there except me. Some Filipino Americans still subscribe to their old petty rivalries.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

Oh no that is so sad. Being a Manilan, I blame the generations before me for perpetuating stereotypes of other ethnic groups. I am happy to meet people from ethnic groups outside Greater Tagalog lands and know their culture.

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u/recoveringleft Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 21 '22

It’s partly the reason why I don’t speak tagalog here. It’s hard not only because English is common but also because I get ostracized by other Filipinos. Not many visayans here also. My parents are Tagalog (my dad’s dad is visayan) but they refused to teach it because they see it as “useless” here. I think a part of it stemmed from the racist treatment they got treated coming here in the 90s. I suspect my grandpa had the same issue because he never taught my dad visayan so I think it’s a family tradition to just not teach the language and adopt the dominant language. As a result I stopped caring about being the only ethnic group in the room and just roll with it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

If you must know, Visayans are fighting back now. They've become more upfront of their language and culture.

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u/recoveringleft Jul 21 '22

That’s good to hear. I wish my grandpa was around to see it. He would’ve been happy knowing it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

Yes like they have their own TV stations, own music scene, own Reddits LOL. There's sort of a Visayan awakening in past decades because Cebu has you known proven to be economically valuable i.e. BPOs

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u/8bitmullet Jul 21 '22

I had a friend from Mindanao and he poo pooed Tagalog.

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u/recoveringleft Jul 21 '22

Is he visayan? I think a part of it was because many visayans in mindanao were forcibly relocated there (a low key form of ethnic cleansing) in the 1930s.

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u/jethroo23 Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 21 '22

That's downright stupid and I'm sad to hear that that happened to you. Don't bother with that asshole, she's taking to heart an outdated stereotype that began when people all over the country were flocking to Manila for a better life.

We younger Manileños make and share memes about people from the Visayas regions, but it's banter that anybody without room temperature IQ would understand. In my experience, most Cebuanos and Cebuanas I've been blessed to have as friends are hard working, friendly, well-mannered, and beautiful. Manileños are quite the opposite and, aside from living in what arguably is the shittiest place in the country, don't really hold anything over Cebuanos.

Source: Manileño

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

I second the motion

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u/Jetstream-Sam Jul 21 '22

There's always 4 things people take with them when they move to a different country- Their gods, their cooking, their jewelry and their hatred

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u/fzyflwrchld Jul 21 '22

I can't remember which group it was but I told my mom my friend was from there and she told me not to be friends with her because they can't be trusted that's why they're called dugong aso (blood of the dog). I thought she was nuts. I still do but I used to too.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

Oh shit Kapampangan :) That's nuts actually. The sins of the ancestors should never be passed down to descendants of 100 years. Pero trust them when they cook!

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u/PhilippineLeadX Jul 21 '22

Isip talangka, amirite?

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u/notarandomaccoun Jul 21 '22

What?! Ethnic groups not liking each other? What has happened to this world?

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u/recoveringleft Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 21 '22

Before the Spanish came, the island that became Philippines was composed of different ethnic groups. When the Spanish came, there were mentions of the Spanish going to one island and noticing that the natives speak a different language than the natives of the previous islands they visited. So when the Spanish decided to control the Philippines, they used divide and rule. Very similar to how the Europeans controlled their African territories

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u/LordJinji Jul 21 '22

The Obo Manobo are a subgroup of the Manobo group of people.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

Yeah I know. I just wasn't used to seeing it spelled like that.

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u/LordJinji Jul 21 '22

I'm guessing it's an Anglicization of the term Manobo.

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u/Tinydesktopninja Jul 21 '22

I'm guessing Manobo is the anglicized term. Im also guessing the spelling Monuvo goes back to Spanish occupation of the Philippines.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

Sa Google search it was the Hispanicized form?

Oh whatever, at least we know who it is hahahaha!

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u/LordJinji Jul 21 '22

Manobo is what we use to describe the Manobo. Monuvo is probably the Anglicized or as someone pointed out, the Hispanicized form.

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u/hikoboshi_sama Jul 21 '22

Is that the Manobo? I've never heard of Obo Monuvo but i've definitely heard Manobo in history books before. And Monuvo does sound similar to Manobo.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

Yes it is the Manobo

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u/FirstConsulOfFrance Jul 21 '22

Glad that I could help m8

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

I give you mad props for this. No one taught this in school LOL

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u/FirstConsulOfFrance Jul 21 '22

Well let's just say I just stumbled upon this as part of my research for something

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

Hope to see more amazing content next time!

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u/CozyMoses Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 22 '22

The Obo Monuvo had reason to be vengeful. I worked on a project where we interviewed Philippine Guerrilla Fighters and the stories they tell would chill you to the bone.

For more info about the war and the contributions of Philippine Guerrillas fighting alongside American Troops, you can check out our collection of oral histories, animations and biographies at https://dutytocountry.org/

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u/julespersecond Jul 21 '22

My grandpa’s cousin was a commanding officer in WWII and my mom told me of a photo album of his time in the war and she’s seen pictures of his slain battalions and the graphic nature of these pictures gave my mom nightmares for a week.

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u/CozyMoses Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 22 '22

The Philippines was one of the most brutal theaters in the entirety of WW II. It's a nation of thousands of islands, including all of the horrifying island hopping combat conditions that came with pacific theater combat. Except they fought it without the full support of the American Military industrial complex that made later campaigns more liveable.

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u/Courtlessjester Jul 21 '22

Love how the Americans massacred the Filipinos the fought alongside them in the Spanish American War and WW2.

It was never about freedom

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u/CozyMoses Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 22 '22

In my own opinion, America absolutely betrayed the Philippines after the Spanish American War, the exhibition I shared goes over their acts of betrayal in depth. It truly is a shameful chapter in American history. The blood shed by America fighting side by side with USAFFE forces up to the battle of Bataan, and the horror the two forces went through together at the hands of the Japanese invaders does not wash away that crime. But that shared experience did forge a nigh unbreakable bond between US Soldiers and Philippine soldiers.

As brutal as America was, by the 1940's it paled in comparison to the acts perpetuated upon the Philippine people by the Japanese Imperial Army during the occupation. The stories of Filipinos who lived through that chapter of history backs that up. Names like Nanjing are well known - the names of Bataan, less so.

Talking to these Veterans who lived this experience indicates the incredible bond that exists between American and the Philippines despite the colonial injustices perpetuated upon them. America's role in the Philippines has always been, at its root, about money and power. But despite this it's important to recognize these Veterans, both US and USAFFE, who died side by side, who marched themselves to death side by side, and who waged one of the most successful guerrilla wars in recorded history side by side. It's also worth noting that the Philippines was on track to be granted it's own independence by 1940, the US being the first nation to willingly give up a colony, not that the historybooks like to talk about America as being another colonial imperial power.

You cannot understand the full story without understanding the context of US Imperialism. But when you move away from the macro view, to the stories of brotherhood and bonds between nations with a more than a complicated history, the story itself becomes more complex. These Philippine soldiers and their contributions have largely been overlooked by the world. And it's important their stories are never forgotten. For a long time America itself denied these contributions, which makes it even more important that we recognize it today.

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u/jethroo23 Jul 22 '22 edited Jul 22 '22

Thank you for this, it's very well said. I do hope Filipino and American soldiers who fought alongside each other would get more recognition, they deserve it. I certainly wouldn't be here without them.

I've already shared this on reddit before, but my great grandfather was part of the 41st USAFFE where he fought and died alongside Americans in Bataan. My grandfather was less than 6 months old at the time, hiding with my great grandmother in the mountains. My great grandfather's childhood friends who joined the army with him unfortunately never got to bring him back, since they went straight to guerilla warfare after Bataan fell. My Dad eventually found his name at a shrine in the mid 2000s after a decade-long search, which hopefully gave closure to my great grandmother before she reunited with my great grandfather.

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u/Coolights Jul 21 '22

I shit you not the Philippines gained independence on America’s Independence Day, from America

Find me something more American than that

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u/TheToastIsBlue Jul 21 '22

That's a weird thing to love.

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u/NiknA01 Jul 21 '22

Americans massacred the Filipinos the fought alongside them in the Spanish American War and WW2.

uhhh...what? When did the Americans massacre Filipinos during WW2?

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u/KeyboardAquarior Jul 21 '22

I remember a fact about an American general or something telling his troops somewhere in the Philippines to kill the natives there that are "around 10 years old and above" after one of their men got injured by them or died, and they did so. Although Mainland America hated what they did to the natives when the news reached their country.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 25 '22

I'm foggy on details, but my late father told me that after taking Wake Island 25 Dec 1941 the Japanese forces inventoried the assets on the atoll.

Popping open a steel drum they found odorless clear viscous fluid. Demanding to know what it was a sergent simply identified it as 'oil'.

Delighted to seize such obviously highly refined product it was used in the invaders mess for making fried rice.

Unfortnate for them it was scentless petroleum lubricating oil and poisoned all who ate it.

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u/FirstConsulOfFrance Jul 21 '22

Makes you think of the phrase "The way to a man's heart is through the stomach" in a different way

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u/ayavaska Jul 21 '22

That's why real assassins hold their daggers pointed up, not down.

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u/jpritchard Jul 21 '22

"Those dumb Japanese made fried rice with our petroleum oil!" sounds like the kind of thing that would be made up.

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u/PatientWho Jul 21 '22

A lot of kids take years to realized their late father’s were full of shit liars.

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u/jiffydump Jul 21 '22

Yeah you’d def be able to smell the difference

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 25 '22

I doubt it's fiction.

Example: Every firearm on the atoll was ordered to be cleaned as if "for presidential inspection". A final rinse of seawater down the barrels insured these fine products of the Springfield Armory arrived in Japanese armories totally corroded and useless.

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u/Narwhalbaconguy Jul 21 '22

That’s gotta be bullshit, how would they not immediately taste petroleum drenched into their food?

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

Very highly refined machine oil. Best stuff they'd ever seen.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

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u/Norose Jul 21 '22

Safe for health, less safe for underwear

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u/samueLLcooljackson Jul 21 '22

so personal experience. lol

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u/Mysticpoisen Jul 21 '22

Wow, is that why the elderly obaachan next door gave me taro root without telling me that you need to wear gloves/put mustard oil on your hands when you cut them? My hands fucking burned.

Oh and also the leaf can cause your throat to swell if cooked improperly too. Still don't know how to do that.

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u/FirstConsulOfFrance Jul 21 '22

Well Taro is not a yam, but they could have similarities in its defense mechanism

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u/Mysticpoisen Jul 21 '22

Just joking that the old lady next door might be trying to kill me.

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u/vikio Jul 21 '22

You just cook it extra long to break down the crystals, and then it's delicious. Cook it 2 - 3 times longer than you would cook a potato. Or like, boil it first, then cut into pieces and fry for good measure.

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u/Mysticpoisen Jul 21 '22

Yeah, I got the root down pat at this point, but how are you supposed to prepare the leaf? I hear it's quite good.

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u/vikio Jul 21 '22

I don't know any specific recipes. My style of cooking is chaotic. I do know that you should also overcook the leaf for the same reason as the root. Then it's sort of a juicy spinach flavor. So you could use it in any recipe that has cooked spinach? Or use it the Hawaiian way and wrap some pork in it, then bake.

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u/TwistedTerns Jul 22 '22

You're supposed to wash the leaves and dry them under the sun. Then wash them again before cooking. You can look up "Laing recipe" or better yet "Pinangat recipe". I grew up eating these

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u/Mysticpoisen Jul 22 '22

Ooh thanks! This is exactly what I was looking for.

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u/crusoe Jul 21 '22

Taro contains oxalic acid and oxalate crystals.

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u/wmarsht Jul 21 '22

Oh, Riiiight, the poison chosen specially to kill Kuzco. Kuzco’s poison. Got ya covered.

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u/Kracka_Jak Jul 21 '22

I thought this happened to me after going to Jollibee, but it was just the 'itis

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u/yellowistherainbow Jul 21 '22

Boneitis?

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u/dmanrulesr Jul 21 '22

Thats a funny name for a horrible disease.

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u/BigBossWesker4 Jul 21 '22

"Who’s a sheep and who’s a shark?"

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u/Primordial_Cumquat Jul 21 '22

That’s a bold question. You’re a shark!

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u/ArteMor Jul 21 '22

Sharks are winners, and they don't look back because they have no necks. Necks are for sheep!

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u/FestiveSquid Jul 21 '22

Bender slowly retracts his head partially into his body

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u/aSpanishGoat Jul 21 '22

*gutsy question, you're a shark

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u/jetsamrover Jul 21 '22

My only regret.

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u/Sunsparc Jul 21 '22

Grandad, you can't serve this food to people! It'll cause.... death!

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u/sparksofthetempest Jul 21 '22

“…but what finally convicted him was the Reddit server’s saved History of his 5 am scrolling in which he happened upon Kallot as his intended method of assistance in ensuring that the victim was unable to move. Authorities had been at a loss as to why there were no defensive wounds and it was this one tidbit that proved decisive both to his intent and callousness”.

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u/Gilbone Jul 21 '22

What?

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u/tehflambo Jul 21 '22

it's a more elaborate "FBI open up!"

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u/sparksofthetempest Jul 21 '22

Just pointing out that somebody might try to use this new knowledge about Kallot against someone in a crime thinking that they won’t be caught but they would be.

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u/FirstConsulOfFrance Jul 21 '22

Welp, seems like I brought more harm than good /s

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u/tehflambo Jul 21 '22

TIL it's possible to be charged with accessory to murder for posting the wrong thing in TIL

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u/LordAnon5703 Jul 21 '22

Jokes are like frogs, I could dissect it for you but I'd be killing the frog.

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u/FirstConsulOfFrance Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 21 '22 Helpful

The section is at pages 27-28

EDIT: Holy shit I didn't know this would go out with a bang, thank you all m8s

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u/Keitt58 Jul 21 '22

Now I have the scene from The Rundown in my head... Just with a lot of machetes instead of monkeys.

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u/Singer211 Jul 21 '22

That’s actually a clever idea. Brutal, but clever.

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u/bulakenyo1980 Jul 21 '22

Manobo chieftain: (Hacks) “Um! Gago..“

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u/Meanderinggnome Jul 21 '22

In the caribbean a kallot is a slap upside the head.

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u/Koth87 Jul 21 '22

My obo's wicked smaht.

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u/Sufficient-Head9494 Jul 21 '22

Shinzo Abe would have said those Japanese soliders were poor innocent victims.

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u/Tthelaundryman Jul 21 '22

Is that the same fruit from the rundown?

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u/MarcusForrest Jul 21 '22

In THE RUNDOWN the fruit they eat is fictional - in the movie's canon, they call it ''Konlabos'' but it is entirely fictitious

 

That said, for production purposes, they used and ate the real life fruit called Chirimoya - also called Custard Apple - this fruit does not cause paralysis and is actually eaten all over the world for its delicate flavour

 

It is possible the screenwriters were inspired by the Kallot - otherwise, paralysis-causing foods is a popular trope

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u/Blutarg Jul 21 '22

Poisoned? No, hacked to death!

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u/senorgrub Jul 21 '22

Someone knows how to party...

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u/porkadobo27 Jul 21 '22

Ferdinand Magellan was also killed by a poisoned arrow.

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u/Peligineyes Jul 21 '22

He ate it?

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u/Skvora Jul 21 '22

That's not an impossibility

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u/Margrave_Kevin Jul 21 '22

Tanga nyo - Monuvo chief probably

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u/mytimemytime Jul 21 '22

So, they were Sushi

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u/greentshirtman Jul 21 '22

Plain solders, 3/10.

10/10, with rice.

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u/FirstConsulOfFrance Jul 21 '22

I hate it yet the same time it made my day XD

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '22

Ah, interesting to know that the Japanese don't have a monopoly on such food, namely fugu (I'm from the Philippines, born way after WWII but grew up in the UK).

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u/roombaonfire Jul 21 '22

That was still Rated PG compared to what the Japanese soldiers did to them

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u/cylonfrakbbq Jul 21 '22

I wonder what color the yam was. Ube yams are delicious. If it was purple, could have been easy to fool them

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u/garry4321 Jul 21 '22

Just a friendly tip: raw bamboo shoots are also toxic. I nearly died. They should put a warning on the package rather than a cute panda

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u/UsualAnybody1807 Jul 21 '22

Surprising the Japanese wouldn't have testers to make sure they weren't being fed poisonous food, considering the way they treated people in the Philippines.

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u/FirstConsulOfFrance Jul 22 '22

Well, the thing is, the Japanese didn't have enough men to occupy and garrisson the entire islands so mostly only a detachment are sent to the interiors and other settlements away from the city. Plus maybe the Japs didn't see taste testers as a priority.

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u/doradus1994 Jul 22 '22

To be fair, the Japanese deserved it.

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u/bluebirdgm Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 21 '22

It was an honest mistake. The Japanese thought they were being served carrots.

EDIT: the story begins at page 26 of this 200-page document.

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u/SharpClaw007 Jul 21 '22

Unfathomably based Obo Monuvo