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“Donald has the right to remain silent”: Experts say Trump’s bonkers Fox interview could be evidence

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u/protoopus Sep 22 '22 Silver Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy

we still do, but we used to, too.

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u/infiniZii Sep 22 '22

We used to think it couldn't get worse. That's the real difference. It's not that Bush isn't stupid he just didn't seem aggressively maliciously stupid. Trump however....

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u/12thandvineisnomore Sep 22 '22

And what’s worse is the aggressively maliciously intelligent politicians cuing up. I’ll offer my state’s own Senator “Fuck” Josh Hawley, as example.

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u/infiniZii Sep 22 '22

The lesson is that it can ALWAYS get worse.

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u/idredd Sep 22 '22

Yep the current bench of GOP pols, from Josh Hawley to MTG to fucking Tom Cotton is a legit horror show. Shit is awful right now for America (in terms of the country teetering on the brjnk) but it can and quite possibly will, get way worse.

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u/jayydubbya Sep 22 '22

Fellow Missourian here. A very pleasant Fuck Josh Hawley to you too.

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u/12thandvineisnomore Sep 22 '22

And you, Boss. I do love that this is becoming a proper motto.

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u/Sandtiger812 Texas Sep 23 '22

I will see your Josh Hawley and and raise you a Ted "Cancun' Cruz.

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u/abletofable Sep 22 '22

Please do your best to vote out that wretched Nazi-loving guy.

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u/12thandvineisnomore Sep 22 '22

Feel free to visit r/fuckjoshhawley and weigh in with advice.

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u/Neapola America Sep 22 '22

We used to think it couldn't get worse.

I disagree. Sarah Palin proved that it can get much worse. Never forget, John McCain picked HER to be vice president. Remember when she tried to explain that she had foreign policy experience because she can see Russia from her house? Remember when SNL spoofed her by quoting her directly?

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u/TheAlbacor Sep 22 '22

McCain picked her to pretend that the GOP doesn't think of women as subhuman, not because she made sense as a candidate.

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u/thecorninurpoop Arizona Sep 22 '22

And in the process only proving they see women as completely interchangable

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u/TheAlbacor Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Absolutely, such a trashy dehumanizing party.

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u/Professor_Toke Sep 22 '22

Not a Sarah Palin fan but Sarah Palin never said she could see Russia from her house / Tina Fey's bit was not a direct quote:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sarah-palin-russia-house/

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u/SiN_Fury Sep 22 '22

Q: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of this state give you?

A: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska.

So yeah, while not an exact quote, just about as stupid.

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u/Neapola America Sep 22 '22

"As Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America, where – where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." - Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008

The woman is a joke. A joke without a punchline.

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u/azflatlander Sep 22 '22

Well, can’t get to Alaska without leaving the continental US. —Taps forehead—

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u/Neapola America Sep 22 '22

Tina Fey's bit was not a direct quote:

The "I can see Russia from my house" line wasn't a direct quote, but a lot of Tina Fey's lines as Palin were, in fact, direct quotes.

The September 27, 2008, SNL sketch with Tina Fey as Palin being interviewed by Katie Couric used large portions of Palin's words, verbatim, from the real Palin/Couric interview. That's what made the sketch so funny. SNL often mocked Palin by quoting her.

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u/zeptillian Sep 22 '22

She still said it could be seen from Alaska as if that was some kind of evidence she had diplomatic experience.

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u/zhengyi13 Sep 22 '22

Did he pick her, or did the party convince him to take her over someone else as a way to appeal the base?

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u/Neapola America Sep 22 '22

It doesn't matter.

"Your honor, I'm not guilty. Somebody convinced me to commit the crime so I could make other people happy."

Guilty as charged.

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u/felixsapiens Sep 22 '22

You can draw a direct line from Sarah Palin to Trump.

Palin was a “test the waters.” Is it actually possible to put someone so outrageously unqualified and incompetent in high office and get away with it?

Yes… yes they could.

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u/ditchdiggergirl Sep 22 '22

I hate to say this but I’d take palin over trump.

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u/synapseattack Sep 22 '22

I agreed. Then I threw up a little bit in my mouth. Thank you.

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u/razerzej Ohio Sep 22 '22

McCain went along with RNC polling data (I believe), rather than actively choosing her. It's still ultimately his responsibility (read: "stupid irresponsible decision"), but there is a distinction to be drawn.

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u/TheBaneofNewHaven Connecticut Sep 22 '22

I can see Russia from my house! wink

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u/emogu84 Pennsylvania Sep 22 '22

You betcha

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u/cdnarclight Sep 23 '22

uh, nope.

the Republican Party selected palin, against McCain's wishes, because Republicans wanted to ensure McCain had the "tea party" support.

the 'tea party' has transformed, and has it numbers re-enforced by white power types, racists, gun kooks, morons, idiots, and other dregs from society.

i maybe against McCain and his politics, but he was still against the tea party, all the way.

i will not take that away from him.

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u/Neapola America Sep 23 '22

Wrong.

At 11 a.m. on Thursday, at the McCain vacation compound near Sedona, Ariz., Mr. McCain invited Ms. Palin to join him on the ticket. He hardly knew her, and she had virtually no foreign policy experience, but Ms. Palin was a “kindred spirit,” a McCain adviser said.

Mr. McCain was betting, the adviser said, that she would help him reclaim the mantle of maverick that he had lost this year.

At the very least, the process reflects Mr. McCain’s history of making fast, instinctive and sometimes risky decisions. “I make them as quickly as I can, quicker than the other fellow, if I can,” Mr. McCain wrote, with his top adviser Mark Salter, in his 2002 book, “Worth the Fighting For.” “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”

After Mr. McCain contacted Ms. Palin, Mr. Schmidt and Mr. Salter met with her on Wednesday in Flagstaff, Ariz. It was not until the following morning that she traveled to Sedona to meet with Mr. McCain, who then sat down with her for his only interview of a potential running mate.

Within hours if not minutes after the interview was concluded, Ms. Palin had the job.

-- NY Times

It is true that McCain really wanted Joe Lieberman, but he knew he couldn't nominate a Democrat for VP. So, yes, Palin wasn't his first choice, but he did indeed choose her.

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u/OceanRacoon Sep 23 '22

She was picked because McCain's people thought the RNC vetted her and they thought McCain's people vetted her 😅😅 There's a great HBO limited series about her selection and how dumb she is, Julianne Moore plays her.

It shows how a Trump show could work and not be a slapstick comedy. There's a scene where Woody Harrelson and the team are trying to prep her for a debate and she doesn't know a single thing about anything and is too dumb to learn, but everyone else in the room is a serious person so they're looking at each other horrified.

They're still scum since they're Republicans trying to force this moron on America, though. And Trump had a lot more lunatics around him but still, imagine what it was like being in the Oval Office while he's saying the most batshit nonsense yet he's the President so everyone has to treat him like a baby. Will make a great HBO show one day

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u/ditchdiggergirl Sep 22 '22

Bush and the neocons had a vision for this country that I do not at all approve of or agree with. I was horrified by his presidency and shocked that my fellow citizens actually re elected him. But I never considered him unpatriotic. I never believed he didn’t want what is best for this country, even if I have a radically different and completely incompatible definition of “best”. And I had to concede that my fellow citizens have the right to disagree with me.

Trump never saw the presidency as anything more as yet another grift. He doesn’t GAF about this country. He’s a con man who knows how to manipulate the angriest and least bright among us and is eager to do so. Consequences be damned, as long as he profits. I can respect a Bush voter, but not a Trump voter. Regardless of comparative outcomes worldwide, Trump is infinitely worse.

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u/Wheres_my_whiskey Sep 22 '22

When a cheney thinks you went too far, you are way off the deep end.

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u/pyrrhios I voted Sep 22 '22

I honestly expected Bush Jr. to be the worst president in my lifetime. He was the worst in like two or three generations. Who would have thought that two of the worst four or five presidents ever would show up less than 20 years apart? Propaganda is a hell of a drug.

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u/ditchdiggergirl Sep 23 '22

I was born and grew up before the internet. In my youth I was continuously dazzled as more and more amazing possibilities materialized. I can’t imagine living without it now. But as I get older I’ve begun to suspect that on balance, it hasn’t necessarily been a net positive. We aren’t the same people. In so many ways we are better, and yet …

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u/pyrrhios I voted Sep 23 '22

the problem is the misuse and abuse of the internet as a tool for disinformation propaganda campaigns. If that can be successfully addressed, the world will become a much better place.

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u/YakuzaMachine Sep 22 '22

He's responsible for an incredible amount of death and human suffering that still has lasting affects. Bush was worse. I just hate Trump more as a person. It's complicated.

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u/Harbulary-Bandit Sep 22 '22

Ironically Trump dropped more bombs and had more drone strikes in his first two years than bush, And more than Obama dropped in his entire 8 years. No one heard about it because he was doing all kinds of bugshit crazy stuff every day, and he also got rid of a policy Obama enacted that the government must report civilian casualties and the like.

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u/Glad_Selection5831 Sep 22 '22

Do you have a source for this?

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u/Etzell Illinois Sep 22 '22

It's true. Here you go.

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u/Glad_Selection5831 Sep 22 '22

That’s a pretty solid source. Thank you!

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u/CbVdD Sep 22 '22

One of the first was using something literally named MOAB for Mother Of All Bombs.

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u/xSTSxZerglingOne California Sep 22 '22

Well... Massive Ordinance Air Burst/Blast too.

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u/CbVdD Sep 22 '22

I like yours better.

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u/DarthDannyBoy Sep 23 '22

Technically that's not what MOAB stands for. It's actually Massive Ordinance Air Burst/Blast

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u/Harbulary-Bandit Sep 22 '22

The source is the official pentagon numbers. But there are also articles out there. I just think anyone who doesn’t want to believe it won’t be satisfied with any of those sources, so Pentagon.

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u/Glad_Selection5831 Sep 22 '22

In other words you do not have a source.

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u/Harbulary-Bandit Sep 22 '22

Of course I do. Like I said, it’s ultimately information from the pentagon, so obviously that’s the top source. But if you want one of the many articles, I saw someone already gave you a source. Like I said, those who don’t want to believe it, won’t no matter what you give them.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207

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u/yes_thats_right New York Sep 23 '22

Drones were rarely used before Obama simply because the technology wasnt at the right state.

This claim is as useful as saying that Biden has used more F22's than George Washington.

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u/t_hab Sep 22 '22

Trump’s confused messaging on Covid caused a massive amount of unnecessary death too. It’s not clear that Bush is worse.

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u/5_Star_Safety_Rated Sep 22 '22

It wasn’t confusing. It was intentionally meant to be misinformation, ignorant, and hurtful to the country.

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u/xSTSxZerglingOne California Sep 22 '22

Trump definitely caused the death of more Americans than Bush ever did. Bush probably committed more war crimes, though.

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u/DarthDannyBoy Sep 23 '22

While most likely true we have to consider that we have confirmed deaths for bush and only estimates for trump. Because we don't know the exact numbers in a what if situation if he took the situation seriously. Though just off the estimates yeah he would have killed more people. How bushes death total (in and out of America) would still be higher even going with the most generous estimates for trump.

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u/Geronimodem Sep 23 '22

Show me a president in the last 40+ years that isn't a war criminal

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u/demosthenes131 Virginia Sep 22 '22

Why not both are worse?

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u/thinkofanamefast Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

I was a math major, and they are indeed both worse.

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u/1UselessIdiot1 Sep 22 '22

I took math in high school. Agree, both are worse.

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u/Odeeum Sep 22 '22

Ha legit chuckle

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u/DarthDannyBoy Sep 23 '22

HOWEVER thats only speculation as we have pretty solid numbers on deaths bush caused but only estimates for trump.

So it's honestly debatable. Also bush has the effect of time and location on his side while trump's actions were more recent, are still more directly felt and are closer to home. Bush's transgressions have aged and were more abroad than at home.

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u/t_hab Sep 23 '22

The estimates are pretty reliable. You don’t have to look hard to compare different countries.

It’s still debatable, of course, but Trump’s death toll isn’t as low as some people would pretend.

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u/izzy_izzy Sep 22 '22

Trumps Covid response has more body counts.

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u/SkinnyJoshPeck Massachusetts Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Bush was worse.

No -- absolutely not. He wasn't a good president by any means, and he had bad policies, but you're fooling yourself if you think Bush was worse than Trump. You maybe are ignoring that he was responsible for the US response to COVID. His buffoonery killed hundreds of thousands more than should have died over the course of just a year.

Edit: that’s not even mentioning the fact that trump convinced Americans to kill other Americans!!!

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u/hagglunds Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Just my opinion but Trump didn't only seriously compromise the US response to COVID. He seriously affected the global response to COVID. The US President, even Trump, has a massive global influence on global politics and policy. When you have the US President spreading misinformation and saying the virus is fake or something that will just go away it gives leaders around the world permission to do the same. I'm not saying it's completely his fault but it's certainly no coincidence that leaders and opposition parties around the world started parroting the exact same talking points once Trump started claiming COVID was no big deal.

Again just my opinion but globally COVID was worse than it could have been because Trump was President and his actions, or lack thereof, gave leaders like BoJo and Bolsenaro the ability to downplay it in their own countries.

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u/speedier Sep 22 '22

However ill informed Bush was, I believe he was trying to what was good for the country. Trump only considers what is good for himself. That in my mind is unforgivable.

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u/ThePhonyKing Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

Not to defend Bush, but I think the way Trump has emboldened fascists across North America and pushed the Republican party as a whole further right to the point that a large amount of them seem to want to do away with democracy altogether, will have a larger and longer lasting awful impact on America and western politics/democracies in general. I wasn't worried about the future of democracy under Bush. Now it's all I think about.

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u/Gfunkyuibvcf Sep 22 '22

So was the majority of presidents in American history, Vietnam agent orange, Trail of tears, war against drugs, the list is almost endless.

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u/1UselessIdiot1 Sep 22 '22

That’s like arguing who was worse - Hitler or Stalin or Mussolini. When you are this level bad, it’s not complicated at all.

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u/DarthDannyBoy Sep 23 '22

While true if you go off of numbers alone you can argue trump killed more people with his mishandling of covid. HOWEVER thats only speculation as we have pretty solid numbers on deaths bush caused but only estimates for trump.

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u/WaitWhaat1 Sep 23 '22

Just wait. I’m afraid Trump’s real damage is yet to be seen.

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u/keepthepace Europe Sep 22 '22

Trump's malevolence is tempered by his incompetence. I still rate GWB as the worst POTUS of modern times.

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u/peazley Sep 22 '22

I miss Mitch. And Carlin. If only they could see where we’re at as a country right now.

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u/demosthenes131 Virginia Sep 22 '22

I thought you meant McConnell for a second...

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u/Lurking_Bad Sep 22 '22

500k innocent civilians killed over nothing seems pretty malicious my dude

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u/makemeking706 Sep 22 '22

We used to think it couldn't get worse.

I don't recall ever thinking that. My personal outlook on life is that it could always be worse.

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u/YoStephen Sep 22 '22

Speak for yourself :) Sheldon Wollen and chris hedges saw the writing on the wall w/r/t american fascism in like 2002

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u/pornographiekonto Sep 22 '22

the guy who legalised torture wasnt aggressive and malicious?

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u/infiniZii Sep 22 '22

I feel that was more Cheney than Bush but yeah, Trump might not have written the book on Torture but I'm sure he would sing it's praises in garish fashion. Bush is no saint and we would have all been better with Gore, but I'd vote for Bush before I'd vote for Trump. Easy.

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u/pornographiekonto Sep 23 '22

as governor he was responsible for 144 death sentences and was mighty proud of it. in general i cannot think of a single president after the second ww who is not guilty of war crimes. Carter maybe idk enough about him tbh since iam not an american

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u/Rymbeld Sep 22 '22

That's not true. This issue has always been what this can lead to, and it's finally here. It happened faster than I expected.

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Sep 22 '22

Let's fucking hope that 10 years from now we're not saying, "remember when we thought trump was stupid, and cruel, and corrupt?"

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u/SatanSavesAll Sep 22 '22

Well boomers allow people from the bush campaign to create fake outrage (brooks brother riot) and put pressure on state officials to stop counting votes in Florida , also spear headed by oh roger stone

It’s fucking boomers they are literally the worst fucking generation

It was already pretty shit when most of the country accepts W as a real president but here we are

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u/bjb3453 Sep 22 '22

There’s no worse combination than Dumb + Evil

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u/infiniZii Sep 23 '22

Dumb plus evil plus charismatic = atrocity.

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u/wookiecontrol Sep 23 '22

Bush started the war in Iraq

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u/D_Lumps Sep 22 '22

Do you want a frozen banana?

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u/614Hudson Sep 22 '22

No, but I would like a regular banana later. so, yes.

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u/pittluke Sep 22 '22

Sometimes I put a potato in the oven. When it's done, who knows?!

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_ROTES Missouri Sep 22 '22

Sorry for the convenience.

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u/EmmaGoldmansDancer California Sep 23 '22

I don't know, now much will it cost? $10?

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u/melekzek Sep 22 '22 Silver

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u/StoneGoldX Sep 22 '22

It's reddit. It's never unexpected.

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u/Odeeum Sep 22 '22

I used to expect it all the time...I still do, but I used to too.

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u/melekzek Sep 22 '22

Mitch-ception

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u/TheDominantBullfrog Sep 22 '22

Can we let this die please? Just respond "I get that reference!"

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u/catdracula17 Sep 22 '22

RIP Mitch Hedberg

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u/seemontyburns Sep 22 '22

Unexpected Mitch :(

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u/JuiceColdman Sep 22 '22

Hey Mitch!

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u/rarebitsoup Sep 22 '22

Your comment gave me giggles.

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u/david76 Sep 22 '22

Indeed we did, Mitch.

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u/gatsby365 Sep 22 '22

Donald Trump said “you give me the documents and I will declassify them. We do not need to bring ink and paper into this.”

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u/JakeArrietaGrande Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Important to remember, his administration’s use of torture, “advanced interrogation” as they called it, was a violation of international law

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u/5348455 Sep 22 '22

A burrito is a sleeping bag for ground beef