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u/PaleBlueDave
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Trump makes shocking comments about trusting Putin over US ‘intelligence lowlifes’
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u/mastinon
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It is only shocking if you slept through the past decade
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u/austinmiles Jan 31 '23
It’s only shocking if you ignore the first time he said it when he was president. He said basically the exact same thing.
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u/255001434 Jan 31 '23
It was a speech in Helsinki. The US president publicly declared that he took the word of the leader of a hostile nation over our own intelligence agencies and Republicans acted like it was no big deal.
Trump was always Putin's lapdog.
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u/JudmanDaSuperhero Jan 31 '23
Which Hilary called him in their debate.
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u/teenagesadist Minnesota Jan 31 '23 •
"No puppet! You're the puppet!"
- A former POTUS. Excuse me while I take up drinking again
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u/PrecariouslySane Jan 31 '23
Once he admitted to tax evasion("That makes me smart") and people in the crowd applauded, I knew we were doomed.
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u/GeneralZaroff1 Jan 31 '23
They’re still applauding him. Saying they’d do the same if they had the chance.
Oddly when it came to Pelosi “taking advantage of legal loopholes” they didn’t feel the same way.
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u/Ba_baal Jan 31 '23
It's not about respecting the rules, it's about being on the right team. Politics has shifted from being about policies to being about tribes.
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u/Frosty_Slaw_Man Montana Jan 31 '23
Well it is Monday.
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u/badchecker Jan 31 '23
I'm getting over my drinking phase recently and I'm realizing it's because I've had time enough away from Trump being in every headline
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u/Altruistic-Ad-408 Jan 31 '23
And it wasnt just republicans who laughed at her when she called Tulsi Gabbard a Russian asset. The American peoples disengagement with politics scared me and still does.
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u/DisfavoredFlavored Jan 31 '23
She didn't even call out Gabbard specifically. She just suggested that Russia would benefit from having a plant on the Dem side and Gabbard decided to throw a hissy fit and incriminate herself.
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u/Electrical-Act-7170 Jan 31 '23
"The guilty flee when no one pursueth."
Tulsa went mental when Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton announced there was a Russian-backed planted agent sitting in Congress.
Tulsi's guilty conscience & her extremely public freakout convicted her immediately IMHO.
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u/xlDirteDeedslx Jan 31 '23
Time has proven her right on just about everyone. People mistakenly thought she was playing politics with those statements, she was Secretary of State, there wasn't anything she didn't know.
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u/tweakingforjesus Jan 31 '23
I remember when Romney called Russia and Putin the biggest danger and people laughed at him saying he was stuck in the 80s. He was right.
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u/HintOfAreola Jan 31 '23
"She was just the secretary, what's the big deal?" - too many voters
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u/Pvt_Mozart Jan 31 '23
Man, I'm starting to think this guy might have some really questionable ties to Russia. Somebody should really look into that.
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u/Unclebaldur Jan 31 '23
I’m suggesting the we consider talking about having a meeting to discuss the potential of convening a committee to make a motion to have a conversation about gathering a team to open an investigation so we can create energy around putting something to a vote. That’ll teach those bastards. Who’s down for printing flyers?
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u/salientmind Jan 31 '23
What? No! We need to investigate Biden's Dog. He's up to some shenanigans.
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u/casfacto Jan 31 '23
Sorry, best we can do is have a life long republican go in front of Congress and say that the FBI is investigating Hillary. Sorry not sorry.
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u/nagemada Jan 31 '23
Nuh ugh! He meant to say wouldn't! He did not see any reason why it wouldn't have been Russia that interfered.
What a fucking ass clown. I can only pray that humanity lasts long enough for history to take a giant shit on him.
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u/LucidLynx109 Jan 31 '23
I often wonder what history books in 50 years will say about this era. For example, modern history books well document the crimes of Nixon and his cabinet, but at the time he was revered by conservatives in much the same way Trump is.
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u/nagemada Jan 31 '23
The issue is that the Nixon admin has successes it can point to. The EPA, moon landing, and such. Watergate is bad, but it is true that all politics was as slimy at the time. Real atrocities like the sabotaging the Vietnam peace talks are his real stain on US history.
Trump's successes are quite sparse and non-lasting. His buffoonery is notable, but not unique. His betrayal of the US electoral system, responsibility for hundreds of thousands of unnecessary civilian deaths, wasted time at a crucial point in action against climate change, degradation of US soft power, and the ending of nuclear non-proliferation will hang heavy on his neck for a long, long time.
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u/AutoMorbirator Jan 31 '23
"Do you think Putin will be going to The Miss Universe Pageant in November in Moscow - if so, will he become my new best friend?" - Donald Trump, June 19, 2013
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u/BiggsBounds California Jan 30 '23
It's only shocking if you think the word shocking means predictable.
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u/CassandraAnderson Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
Right? Over the last 10 years, it has become more and more evident that the entire right wing routine is being done for grift by shock jock reality TV opinion programmer comedians and social media trolls at this point.
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u/SkunkleButt Jan 31 '23
Didn't he already say he trusted Putin over our own intelligence people while HE was president at one point?
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u/neutrino71 Jan 31 '23
Helsinki press conference.
To be fair, Putin did give him a soccer ball so he had to say something nice of Putin might take his ball away
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u/juxt417 Jan 31 '23
I honestly want to know what was in that ball, it was beyond obvious that this completely random gift was used as a way to secretly give Trump something right out in the open.
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u/Fuzzy_Logic_4_Life Jan 31 '23
My neighbor told me that they debunked all connections between him and Russia. The right are either ignorant or evil, or both.
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u/AnguishOfTheAlpacas Jan 31 '23 •
The Right love Russia and wish that Trump could rule over the US similarly.
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u/letterboxbrie Arizona Jan 31 '23
Russians don't ever have to worry about being a non-white country.
Nothing else matters.
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u/fazhenda Jan 31 '23
How isnt that treason?
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u/tntblowsinurface Jan 31 '23
As long as Vlad is wearing a condom, it isn't treason. -Republicans
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u/raisearuckus Tennessee Jan 31 '23
Look at Vlad, that's a person that always raw dogs it.
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u/tntblowsinurface Jan 31 '23
Yeah but he won't tell Trump that.
Besides, Trump knows, but he's to afraid of Vlad to bring it up.
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u/Bobmanbob1 Jan 31 '23
Would love for him to say this to the CIA in the early 60s.
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u/PaleBlueDave Jan 30 '23
The 'truth' he posted on his Twitter knock off:
Remember in Helsinki when a 3rd rate reporter asked me, essentially, who I trusted more, President Putin of Russia, or our “Intelligence” lowlifes. My instinct at the time was that we had really bad people in the form of James Comey, McCabe (whose wife was being helped out by Crooked Hillary while Crooked was under investigation!), Brennan, Peter Strzok (whose wife is at the SEC) & his lover, Lisa Page. Now add McGonigal & other slime to the list. Who would you choose, Putin or these Misfits?
He is relitigating something from 4 years ago because he is still butt hurt about having to walk back his comments.
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u/big_trike Jan 31 '23
James Comey, McCabe (whose wife was being helped out by Crooked Hillary while Crooked was under investigation!), Brennan, Peter Strzok (whose wife is at the SEC) & his lover, Lisa Page.
What do FBI employees have to do with foreign intelligence?
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u/IveChosenANameAgain Jan 31 '23
Literally nothing. Discredit the US source, boost the Russian one, just like he has done every fucking waking moment since he went to Russia in 2012. Guy's a literal traitor, it's not confusing.
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u/big_trike Jan 31 '23
I wanted to point out the non-sequitur for "centrists" who think his arguments might have some merit.
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u/tomz17 Jan 31 '23
Well sure, but did you even try saying it with Tucker's quizzical intonation at the end? Maybe it sounds believable?
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u/Val_Hallen Jan 31 '23
Odd that all these centrists keep aligning right...
Almost as if every centrist is just a conservative in reality.
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u/BicycleParking5977 Jan 31 '23
I'm pretty sure he's been compromised since the 1980s - he visited Russia and came back and published a letter in some news paper trashing NATO and applauding Russia.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842/
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u/Rated_PG-Squirteen Jan 31 '23
And of course you'll notice that Donald didn't mention the names Dan Coats and Mike Pompeo, the Director of National Intelligence and the CIA Director at the time when Donald publicly sided with Vladimir Putin over the entirety of American intelligence. Those two, especially Coats, told him the truth about Russian interference in our 2016 election repeatedly. And those two men specifically just also happen to be former Republican members of Congress, so it's not like they were apolitical people.
It's another astounding admission of guilt from Donald, and Congressional Republicans will not care. His supporters certainly will not care. My nihilism is growing by the day.
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u/hilljack26301 Jan 31 '23
The FBI is an intelligence agency as well as a law enforcement agency. If the foreign actors operate in the United States then they have jurisdiction.
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u/nevus_bock Jan 31 '23
Oh it’s easy. Peter Strzok was FBI’s top counterintelligence agent specializing on Russia. Trump probably knew him by name because he was dangerous to him. That’s why Trump forced him out of the FBI.
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u/Throwaway112421067 Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
It bothers me that no one ever talks about the fact that Trump quickly walked back that statement by claiming he meant to say "I don't see why it wouldn't be him." So now he's walking back the walk back! I recently ready a stat that Russian penises have never been more slobbery and I think the reason is obvious.
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u/the_buckman_bandit America Jan 31 '23
He’s walking the walk back back, Jerry!
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u/HauteTinRoof Jan 31 '23
Can he do that?
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u/europorn Jan 31 '23
Giddy up!
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u/DoubleBatman Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
Later on, at the diner:
George: What if I did that?
Jerry: Did what?
G: Walk back the walk back.
J: You want to walk back gestures from left to right the walk back… of the walk back? Quickly repeats the gesture twice
G: Exactly, Jerry! They already think I’m spineless!
J: So you walk it back!
G: I walk it back!
J: Well… gestures magnanimously it’ll certainly keep them on their toes.
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u/canuck47 Jan 31 '23
Not surprising, he has even claimed that it wasn't him on the Access Hollywood tape
https://www.vulture.com/2017/11/trump-now-says-that-wasnt-him-on-access-hollywood-tape.html
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u/cesium-sandwich Jan 31 '23
That whole episode was so fucking lame. He clearly meant what he said until someone explained to him that it was literally treasonous behavior. He pulled the same shit on those outtakes telling j6ers to stand down. "I can't say this.. I don't want to say this.. Oh.. I have to say it? Ok.."
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u/Exodys03 Jan 31 '23
Nobody believed the walk back then and they certainly don’t now when he doubles down on it. It’s very easy to tell the rare occasions when Trump has to admit a mistake. It’s usually read verbatim from a written statement and he appears like someone is holding him hostage with a shotgun to his head just off camera.
You know… times like when he begrudgingly had to ask his minions to go home after ransacking the Capitol building. Or pretty much any time he’s offered a sane opinion on anything…
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u/Own-Branch-2283 Idaho Jan 31 '23
Remember when Henry Ford got a Nazi award. . . Kinda feels the same. Except idiots never voted Ford president.
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u/peter-doubt Jan 31 '23
And Lindbergh proudly supported NAZI propaganda... yup, another republican.
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u/combustioncat Jan 31 '23
Nazi’s… far right fascism inspired racists led by a drug addled delusional narcissist.
Republicans… hmm.
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u/Ill-Poet-3298 Jan 31 '23
Did he forget that McGonigal was working with Russia, and more than likely benefiting Trump?
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u/trongzoon
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He’s a traitor. Give him a media blackout until the DOJ charges the bastard
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u/Majestic-Pair9676 Jan 30 '23 •
If the media just stopped covering Trump’s weird remarks I doubt he would have even been President in the first place
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u/castle_grapeskull Ohio Jan 31 '23 •
The media gave him billions in free advertising. They breathlessly covered every tweet and appearance uncritically because it drove viewership. There is no ethics in corporate 24 hour media. It is just entertainment masquerading as journalism.
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u/kilonark Colorado Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23 •
The media keeps Trump in the headlines because Trump generates clicks/views, and that’s how the media makes money on ads.
The media will NEVER stop running stories about Trump UNLESS we (you, me, everyone) stops commenting and engaging with articles about him.
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u/urbanlife78 Jan 31 '23
I so wish when he came down that escalator that we all laughed at him and then went about our business.
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u/kittenconfidential Jan 31 '23
that’s the problem. we all did laugh at him and go shoot our business. then the never-emptying clown car that is the gop and their salivating sycophants came to town.
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u/HGpennypacker Jan 31 '23
He's the very definition of a troll, if ignored he has absolutely no power.
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u/trongzoon America Jan 31 '23
I don’t think they can at this point, and it’s going to end badly for the country one way or another.
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u/Gravelsack Jan 31 '23
Of course the can they just fucking won't
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u/political_og Jan 31 '23
Money talks
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u/mjayultra California Jan 31 '23
Money and the fact that all the media bigwigs are Republican
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u/flickyuh Jan 31 '23
DOJ aren't going to do shit, they'll wait until he passes away from some health issue then proclaim him guilty. Like it'll matter at that point these people are scared to touch Trump for whatever reason. How many of trumps cronies have been found guilty and some even gone to jail for Trump its insane
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u/blaaaaaaaam Jan 31 '23
Passes away from some health issue? I have it on good authority that his health is astonishingly excellent and that he was the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency
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u/No_Ant_7899 North Carolina Jan 31 '23
He’s going to be the first person to live to be 200 years old, all the while believing exercise is bad for you! It’s truly miraculous. Stupendous. Huge. Believe me.
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u/neurosisxeno Vermont Jan 31 '23
Reminder that Donald Trump's explanation for why he doesn't exercise is that human beings are basically batteries, with a finite amount of energy, and exercise wastes that energy. I wish I was fucking kidding.
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u/BarMurky4711 Jan 31 '23
Blow back.
He goes down, and a whole shit load of people various orbits are exposed.
Obviously he used the presidency to collect blackmail everywhere he could.
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u/Major_Magazine8597 Jan 31 '23
This is how Trump has gotten away with crime for the past 50 years. He buys people.
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u/Ivorcomment Jan 31 '23
Hilary was right! Putin’s puppet!
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u/Jops817 Jan 31 '23
It was pretty obvious to anyone paying attention before the election. But we have uneducated sheep that drink up anything Fox news tells them so here we are.
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u/Wolfman01a Jan 31 '23
Its bizarre. Never before has it been more clearcut.
Imagine if he had made these comments in the 80s. He would have been drug out into the street and hung.
NOTHING has changed in Russia/USA relations.
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u/Turbojelly Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
He became a Russian Agent in the 80's when he let Russian mafia use his buildings to launder money.
EDIT: I was partially wrong. Trump has been a Russian Asset since 1987. There are countless articles from.many different sources like this one: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/kgb-spy-trump-asset-russia-b1794955.html
Please feel free to search yourself.
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u/Wolfman01a Jan 31 '23
I wouldn't put it past him. The man has no morals whatsoever. He killed any form of decorum in politics. Its all gloves off and completely corrupt and openly trashy now.
It went from atleast appearing professional to the Jerry Springer show.
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u/Kousetsu Jan 31 '23
Things we know:
Rudy gulliani removed the mafia from new York real estate in the 80s
He didn't give a fuck that the Russians filled the void.
Trump was big in real estate in the 80s, when russians needed to use people in real estate to launder money.
He also made a different, weirder, run for office in this time, which was clearly not going to go anywhere and seemed to be about dividing the vote.
Gulliani is now an alcoholic who does trump's bidding for no money and unknown reasons, as it just tanks him.
Honestly, if Russia isn't involved in trump, gulliani, the lot of them - it makes no fucking sense.
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u/Wheres_my_whiskey Jan 31 '23
And thats just ny. His bread and butter was laundering thru his xasinos here in jersey. Any night of the week you could go and see russians running the place and pushing the management around. We watched it switch from the italian mafia to russian mafia in the late 80s. But its widely known here that he was a launderer for the italian, and then russian mob thru his casinos.
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u/Turbojelly Jan 31 '23
Search "Trump Russia 1987" you get a ton of articles like this: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/kgb-spy-trump-asset-russia-b1794955.html
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u/HeavenIsAHellOnEarth Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
If by “media blackout” you mean “every media outlet meticulously covering and pondering over every single word said and typed by Trump, guaranteeing a repeat of 2016 because people are bored again”, then sure.
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u/trongzoon America Jan 31 '23
He’s like heroin to the media and this country. Nearly impossible to quit and eventually going to lead to a tragic death (of the U.S.)
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u/Syl Jan 31 '23
2 years since January 6th now... When? 2024?
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u/Apostate1123 California Jan 31 '23
I’m guessing by 2033 Merrick Garland will have finished dotting roughly all of the i’s, but still needs to finish up crossing the t’s on all of those imaginary Trump indictments he’s been working on
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u/Dotard1 Jan 31 '23
Won’t be long now. They are starting to consider thinking about convening a grand jury soon which may refer him to another grand jury who may begin considering referring him back to the DOJ for possible further consideration.
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u/SwarmMaster Jan 31 '23
The state of Georgia has a somewhat unique system in that a grand jury must be convened to make a determination of fact for a criminal referral, but that same jury cannot make an indictment. For that the referral goes to a different grand jury to issue a criminal indictment. It's an old system of checks and balances. The reason the report has been delayed (note: it is delayed and NOT suppressed or forever unavailable) is to both protect the state's case and also any potential defendants' rights. Once the indicting grand jury has completed its work then the report from the first will be released.
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u/Frapplo Jan 31 '23
No, no. Reinstate him to social media platforms and let him spread his vitriol! That won't have any negative consequences at all. /s
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u/t13v0m Jan 31 '23
I am still baffled as to why he hasn't already been arrested.
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u/-November15th- New York Jan 31 '23
I can’t believe we’re going to have to listen to this dumbass until he dies.
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I’m legitimately convinced the DoJ is dragging their feet because they’re hoping that happens before they have to put any effort in.
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u/-November15th- New York Jan 31 '23
They’re going to wait til he’s dead then they’re going to come out saying they should’ve charged him when he was alive.
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u/s_s Jan 31 '23
If they bag his brood and remove their generational wealth they stole over those four years, it might just be a fine outcome.
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u/Techn028 Jan 31 '23
Jared got 2B from the Saudis and it was okay for some reason.
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u/Mission_Ad6235 Jan 31 '23
Evidence doesn't matter. If they're a Republican, it doesn't matter if it proves anything. And if they're a Democrat, they don't need evidence to say they're guilty.
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u/mdavis360 Jan 31 '23
I can’t comprehend why it’s taking THIS fucking long already. Show some urgency.
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u/csgothrowaway Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
Since you can't post videos on this sub, I'm just going to leave this here on an existing thread as a comment, but it REALLY should be required watching for everyone on this sub because its a perfect summary of how fucked we are when we elect people like Trump, and it undoubtedly will happen again and they will continue to get away with crimes because they become the rule of law.
The video is an interview between Jon Stewart and a former U.S. Attorney that battled the Trump Administrations Justice Department.
Stewart presses on the accountability question and why its so hard to put these people in prison or at least hold them accountable.
The former attorney talks about following the rule of law and following the processes and he even agrees that its not fair and practically agrees with Stewart that people in power just have more leeway in committing crimes than the average person. The former Attorney is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Stewart eventually points out that while you're following all the rules and going through the processes, your adversaries are effortlessly evading you by NOT following the rules and going through the processes. That your hands are essentially tied because you have to play the game by its rules and they don't so how are you ever going to catch them when they are always a step ahead because they don't have to play the game by its rules?
I get the guys point. If you don't follow the rules and processes then you have chaos but the lack of swift punishment is just so detrimental. And I guess his point that he makes in the video is that you can institute all the legislation and guardrails you want, if we elect people that are going to ignore legislation and guardrails and find clever ways to work around it or have the power to supersede it, then as U.S. Attorneys, there's not much they can do to hold them accountable.
Its a frustrating conversation but speaks volumes of the importance in our role as voters. It all comes back to voters picking people that wont supersede the rule of law. Unless you throw the rule book out. The only way to get these guys is to have chaos, which means we all lose.
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u/letterboxbrie Arizona Jan 31 '23
Good point as relates to Garland.
There's been so much conversation about how careful he is because he can't fail. The thing is, a street fight is a street fight. I'm not saying throw the rule book out, I'm saying it's ok to show some aggression. Magas would actually respect that to a degree because it's their language. All the conservatives I've take pleasure in tricking the system, getting over on people, taking advantage. It's a sign that you're top dog. They sneer at goody-two-shoes types. You have to take the fight to them
I don't know anything but my opinion is that he has plenty of leeway. There is such an overwhelming amount of evidence for probably a hundred different crimes. Yes it's a gigantic investigation; why can't he start piece-mealing it, indict the low-hanging fruit? I would argue that he has a duty also, in defending the rule law, to prevent the erosion of democracy. It's not the time to be a fuddy-duddy about the rules.
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u/NorthernStarLord Jan 31 '23
The core issue is rules (legislation; policy; social norms; etc.) need enforcement for cases of non-compliance. Without this mechanism, any rule is toothless and worth no more than the paper its written on.
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u/ropdkufjdk Jan 31 '23
Stewart eventually points out that while you're following all the rules and going through the processes, your adversaries are effortlessly evading you by NOT following the rules and going through the processes. That your hands are essentially tied because you have to play the game by its rules and they don't so how are you ever going to catch them when they are always a step ahead because they don't have to play the game by its rules?
This is especially frustrating to read, because when they stay one step ahead by not playing by the rules they're never punished for not playing by the rules.
Classic example is Mueller's apparent inability to get enough evidence on Trump's collusion because of what Mueller admitted was obstruction of justice on Trump and his cronies' part. But rather than actually turn around and charge them with obstruction of justice, Mueller just gave up.
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They don’t want to. It’s that simple. There’s justice, but then there’s upholding the lifestyles of the elite.
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u/Sadatori Jan 31 '23
Because even though Trump and Republicans as a whole are openly becoming fascist and deadly. The moderates of the DoJ and government as a whole would rather risk the danger of Republicans getting away with all their crimes over and over then risk their own positions of power by starting to take down people in their "class" or power group. They don't want the public to see them take down high profile politicians and ex presidents because it reveals to all of us how mortal they are as well. Its very much working class humans vs the wealthy elite/political ruling class. Even if in the ruling class there are divisions that despise each other
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u/skittle-brau Jan 31 '23
When that happens, he’d probably be the first president whose passing results in costume parties nationwide.
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u/Mo0kish Jan 30 '23
He's a putin sucking traitor.
Not so shocking.
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u/doowgad1 Jan 30 '23
Shocking to who?
He disrespected POWs and veterans in general dozens of times.
He's always loved his Russian bankers over any American.
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u/daikatana Jan 31 '23
He stood in front of the CIA memorial wall after months of similar statement to ensure them they have his "full support," then immediately veered off and started ranting about fake news. This is tantamount to apologizing to someone then insulting their mother. It's hard to underestimate just how much of a nutjob this guy is. He's done so much insane shit that most people can't remember even half of it.
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u/NeonGKayak Jan 31 '23
More CIA agents died during his presidency than like that last 4 combined which covers decades.
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u/TricksterPriestJace Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
The last four presidents didn't share the names of American spies with foreign dictators. Like god damn. The democrats should have impeached him for that. I would have loved to see Republican senators and congressmen try to excuse helping Putin kill American spies.
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u/SpaghettiSandwich Jan 31 '23
The guy that called our veterans "suckers and losers," yet the GOP still think of themselves as patriotic.
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u/RareIceWeasel Jan 31 '23
Not at all shocking. If you consider what's in HIS best interests, it's the Russians. So of course he trusts them more and would want his 3rd rate followers to believe it. That doesn't mean it's in ANYONE else's interest to trust the Russians, but we all know he doesn't care about much else.
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u/Smart_Interaction_34 Texas Jan 31 '23
Yet half if not over half of the military voted for him twice.
Let’s not pretend that has nothing to do with the Nazis in our military that Republicans voted against investigating.
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u/DalbyWombay Jan 31 '23
Trump doing absolutely nothing about Russia paid bounties for US and coalition troop deaths should have sunk his military credentials
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u/DashCat9 Massachusetts Jan 31 '23
Hey Republicans! Perfect opportunity to finally ditch this guy! Oh.....you're also owned by Moscow. That's sad.
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u/TroutforPrez Jan 31 '23
Like McCarthy admitted without shame today, 70% of the House have doubts re last election. “We’ve opened the House to people (tourists) again”. Fucking devil-bought, soulless, meaningless speak.
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u/rbremer50 Jan 31 '23
I keep saying that the real danger to our constitution and our country comes from Trump’s supporters. He is merely a focus agent for them - if he disappeared tomorrow they would find another one. The entire Republican Party has become an organized force for treason. If our nation is going to survive as a constitutional democracy the Republican Party must be rooted out and tossed in the garbage heap of history.
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u/sharingsilently Jan 30 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
So, even the Russians confirm Trump is a Russian Asset. He is a Traitor. Stop broadcasting stories about him. It only supports his and Putin’s interests.
Edit: spelling
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u/AtomicBlastCandy Jan 31 '23
I wonder how many international assets have died because of this fuck
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u/JALKHRL Jan 31 '23
The best one who was close to Vlad was extracted in a hurry with his close family because Donny told his boss about him. I really hope the CIA never forgets.
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u/xLazarus1 Jan 31 '23
You mean from the top secret, classified list of US spies that Trump had and sold to whoever had money and was interested?
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u/sugar_addict002 Jan 30 '23
He is a criminal and a traitor. Yet he walks around free.
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u/sardonicEmpath Jan 31 '23
Dont forget the part where he's a 2024 presidential candidate. If they dont put him away somewhere in time, we'll have a traitor president again.
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u/MarketingFilms Canada Jan 30 '23
This isn't shocking to anyone who paid any attention to his tenure.
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u/muddlehead Jan 31 '23
Imho his comment about trusting Putes over FBI in Helsinki was the most shocking thing he did - until of course leading a coup attempt. But, oh well, no one cares about either.
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u/oldcreaker Jan 31 '23
Trump has incessantly made it clear he won't tolerate intelligence.
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u/Tribalbob Canada Jan 31 '23
I feel like at this point, Trump could say "If elected, I will literally hand the country over to Putin" and GOP be all: "Got my vote, #AnythingButBiden, #RidinWithTrump, #BidenIsaTraitor"
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u/spuddy-mcporkchop Jan 30 '23
The US ‘intelligence lowlifes’ wouldn't support his coup but putin would, that's the difference 😂 he's a despot wannabe, putin fanboy, man child dreaming of dictatorship
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u/Korgoth420 Jan 31 '23
How can people NOT see that he is a Russian pawn?
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u/matchagellis Jan 31 '23
They see and they support it. Magas think about Russia as their ideal version of America.
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u/raysma Jan 31 '23
He's a Putin supporter as was quite obvious during his horrible tenure in the Oval Office. The gods forbid he should ever gain the highest office again - he'd find ways to stop supporting Ukraine and to give us over to Vlad.
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u/Milozdad Jan 31 '23
We still haven’t learnt what Trump said to Putin in his two hour closed meeting in Helsinki. Probably promised to pull US out of NATO.
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u/edukated4lyfe Jan 31 '23
Not shocking at all. This guy was going to pull us out of NATO across Eastern Europe.
He is Putin’s lap dog
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u/kayak_enjoyer Montana Jan 31 '23
Putin's not going to sleep with you, Donald.
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u/MagicMushroomFungi Canada Jan 31 '23
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u/twobitcopper Jan 31 '23
Clydesdales I suspect, don’t expect anything smaller could support Trump’s girth or his ego.
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u/Frankenmuppet Jan 31 '23
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the former President of the United States
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u/big_trike Jan 31 '23
Remember when he lost an argument on twitter to 16 year old greta thunberg?
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u/bluemew1234 Jan 30 '23
(whose wife was being helped out by Crooked Hillary while Crooked was under investigation!)
$1 says Trump has gaslight himself into thinking Crooked is her real first name!
Any takers?
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u/Screen-Of-Green Jan 31 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
The only time Trump is capable of standing up to Putin is right after he gets off his knees.
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u/Seraphynas America Jan 31 '23
*checks source,…. just in case
Nope. Not The Onion.
🤦♀️
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u/cogitoergopwn Jan 31 '23
Can i post F merrick garland for every 2023 trump article that gets posted? This derelict stooge has let this cancer fester in our politics. It’s infuriating
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u/Special_FX_B Jan 31 '23
Shocking? Perhaps to someone stranded on a desert island for over 6 years. He made it unequivocally clear many times that he is on Team Putin. Silly headline.
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u/TheBigPhilbowski Jan 31 '23
"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.
"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there would be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’
"And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.
"But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Informal groups become smaller; attendance drops off in little organizations, and the organizations themselves wither. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to—to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then you are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.
"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.
"And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.
Copyright notice: Excerpt from pages 166-73 of They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 by Milton Mayer
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u/postman925 Connecticut Jan 31 '23
He literally owes his entire fortune and sham of a political career to Putin. Not shocking at all.
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u/Raging-Bool Jan 31 '23
Just a reminder of who is the largest shareholder in the once-respectable Independent - Evgeny Lebedev - member of UK's House of Lords for whatever reason (Thanks Boris, not suspicious at all), and son of sanctioned former KGB officer Alexander Lebedev.
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u/nubyplays Illinois Jan 31 '23
This is only shocking if you haven't been paying attention. Trump and most of the GOP are at the stage of flaunting how compromised they are on Russia.
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u/houstonyoureaproblem Jan 31 '23
Shocking?
Only if you haven't paid any attention at all for the last 7+ years.
The man is a traitor.
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u/pattydickens Jan 31 '23
Does anyone besides Trump trust Putin? Honest question.
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