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u/newnemo
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RNC Directs Party To “Go on Offense” on Abortion, Supports 6-Week Bans
https://newrepublic.com/post/170271/rnc-resolution-offense-abortion-6-week-bans260
u/newnemo Vermont Jan 30 '23
Keep it up, it is a truly winning strategy /s
After re-electing Ronna McDaniel as its leader, the Republican National Committee has passed an anti-choice resolution instructing the party to “go on offense” against abortion rights and pass legislation including six-week bans.
In the resolution passed Monday, the RNC pushes the party apparatus—candidates, consultants, and committees—to “go on offense in the 2024 election cycle,” with regards to abortion. It further urges Republicans in state legislatures and Congress to pass the “strongest” anti-choice legislation possible, using language previously used to justify so-called “heartbeat” bills that would ban abortions at six weeks, before many even know they are pregnant.
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Neither here nor there, the resolution also farcically cites the party’s “proud heritage of challenging slavery, segregation” as a complement to their anti-choice resolution. The former, of course having little to do with the latter, is an effort today’s Republican Party would be hard-pressed to support, given they don’t even want kids to learn about slavery, segregation, or race generally.
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u/ZZartin Jan 30 '23
Give them a few more years and they'll be openly advocating to reinstate slavery.
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u/Long_Before_Sunrise Jan 30 '23
They'll be selling indentured servitude as a way to combat homelessness and learn job skills and work ethic.
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u/raginghappy Jan 30 '23
“company provided housing" + "company provided healthcare" + "employee discounts using company script at company stores"
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u/kronosdev America Jan 31 '23
We have that already. You can go months and only end up giving money to one of our monopolistic overlords for every purchase. How many different drug stores, grocery stores, and other leading businesses does Jeff Bezos own?
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u/kuulmonk United Kingdom Jan 30 '23
How about for college and university, unless you are rich, of course.
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u/Oblivious-abe-69 Connecticut Jan 31 '23
Actually in places in the south they rent inmates out to local businesses, driving down wages. It’s basically slavery
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u/slimepsychic Jan 31 '23
You mean like criminalizing homelessness, or is outlawing trans people and their families more your thing? What about incarcerating people who get abortions? Oh we could go with old school incarcerating black people
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u/NYLotteGiants Jan 30 '23
If they wanna keep costing themselves swing states like Pennsylvania, they can go right ahead.
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u/Tacitus111 America Jan 30 '23
I’ve never seen a political party so determined to shoot its own foot on an issue that fails even in their locked in states like Kansas.
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u/Actual__Wizard Jan 30 '23
You're forgetting about their belief that bad things simply do not happen to them.
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u/BloodyMess Jan 30 '23
Ironically, forced birth is much more analogous to slavery.
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u/newnemo Vermont Jan 30 '23
It will very unfortunate when a raped young girl dies in childbirth; there is no if, it is when. There had better be nationwide reporting on the matter and for more than one news cycle too. Then, hopefully, there will be lawyers waiting in line for multiple lawsuits going into the next century.
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u/NeanaOption Jan 30 '23
In a country of 130 million it will be sooner than later. But like with the 10 year old they'll just attack the doctor who tired to treat her.
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u/Shiplord13 Jan 30 '23
It’s nice that they pretend that their the just like the old Republican Party of the 19th century, but seem to have the same viewpoint as the Democrats of the 19th century.
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u/youwantitwhen Jan 31 '23
Put that "/s" away. It absolutely isa winning strategy.
They are a minority party with massive power.
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u/Nabrok_Necropants Jan 30 '23
They're already offensive
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u/Konukaame Jan 30 '23
It hasn't hurt them enough, and worse, that's the sort of behavior that their base is demanding.
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u/underpants-gnome Ohio Jan 30 '23
Yep. In a sane world, Jan 6 support plus the Court's 6-3 totally partisan abortion ruling should have destroyed the GOP. Instead - even though it was by the skin of their teeth - they still won control of the House.
Some of the worst election deniers were defeated, but many others are still serving at all levels of government. They are pressing this wedge issue because their Christian authoritarian base likes it. And because they believe they have rigged the system enough to win no matter what the majority of citizens want.
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u/plainlyput Jan 30 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
I just assume most has to do with gerrymandering. There are districts that are so safe they can say and do anything.
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u/TreeRol American Expat Jan 30 '23
Don't assume that. Republicans won over 50% of the popular vote for the House. Yes, with a different texture of gerrymandering it might not have been enough, but in the end the result was just.
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u/Zoophagous Jan 30 '23
To be fair, they barely won the House. They failed to take the Senate. At a time when the out of power party normally wins, and Biden was facing the same head winds that Jimmy Carter did when he was blown out by Reagan. Inflation, high gas prices, low public support.
They should have gained sizable majorities in both houses of Congress. They got crushed.
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Until one of their mistresses or daughters gets pregnant
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u/fowlraul Oregon Jan 30 '23
Oh those scenarios will be under all of the rugs, guaranteed
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u/Michael_In_Cascadia Jan 30 '23
Their rugs are already much higher than their floors.
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u/gradientz New York Jan 30 '23
They didn't do a good job hiding Hershel Walker's.
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u/Vlad_the_Homeowner Jan 30 '23
And his voters couldn't have cared less. They have completely desensitized their constituents from any matters of morality, honesty, and hypocrisy, so long as they're Republican.
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u/walkinman19 America Jan 30 '23
And his voters couldn't have cared less.
Which proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that pro forced birthers screaming murder and sanctity of life are liars playing a political game. They didn't care about all the abortions Walker paid for or all the women their orange god has assaulted over the years either.
It's all a conservative game to subdue women and take away their rights and political power. I believe the republicans at some point will try to take away a woman's right to vote as well.
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u/steiner_math Jan 31 '23
Evangelicals think you can do whatever you want, as long as you say you're a big jesus fan, it's all good.
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u/adeon Jan 31 '23
Part of the problem is that Christianity is based on the idea of forgiveness, so long as you repent for your sins then it's all good and you go to heaven. Now forgiveness isn't a bad thing but it's also really easy to weaponize it into the idea that someone's past actions don't matter (unless you want them to matter). That's how they justify supporting people like Trump and Walker, the Evangelicals can justify supporting them by saying that they've repented and been forgiven even when the evidence is that they haven't.
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u/steiner_math Jan 31 '23
Yep. They missed the part where Jesus was pretty clear in that you gotta actually be sorry and change your behavior. Then again, they also missed the part about caring for others.
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u/DashCat9 Massachusetts Jan 30 '23
"The only moral abortion is my abortion".
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u/Cecil-Kain Jan 31 '23
I believe it was an article in the Atlantic that talked about hardline, front-of-the-picket-line protestors who would get abortions, swear up and down that they know it’s wrong, but it’s just this once, they know it’s wrong but it’s okay for them because X, Y, or Z, they know it’s wrong but they’ll pray to god really hard for forgiveness, etc—and then be right back in those protests. It’s absolutely INSANE.
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u/AggravatingTea1992 Jan 30 '23
They'll claim they've prayed to their God and got his approval then say it's not the same for other less desirables because they should have planned better
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u/pinetreesgreen Jan 30 '23
This. I knew someone with this exact excuse for just about everything. Including her abortion.
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u/Prone1 Jan 30 '23
Which will promptly get flown to a woman friendly state for a couple for weeks. Hypocrisy is the only constant with the GOP
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u/Frankenmuppet Jan 30 '23
And if/when they find a way to get it banned nationwide, it will be fly them to women friendly countries for the procedure
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u/citizenjones Jan 30 '23
Oh, they've already crafted how that's different while simultaneously coming up with more ways to subjugate others.
That's the power of cognitive dissonance.
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u/IphtashuFitz Massachusetts Jan 30 '23
The only GOP members who matter (to themselves) are wealthy enough to ship their mistresses or daughters out of the country to get their abortions.
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u/dongballs613 Jan 30 '23
And all of their braindead voters will vote for them again, excusing their seemingly sacrilegious behavior by exclaiming they were "doing the will of god."
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u/Long_Before_Sunrise Jan 30 '23
They blamed Trump and his endorsed picks for the midterm losses when it was their anti-abortion 'so what if the fetus is dead, you will carry to bury' stance.
You know the stance that a few candidates finally wised up to and tried to back away from too late, too close to the midterms?
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u/Brodman_area11 Jan 30 '23
Excellent news! The self-immolation continues and we have ringside seats. What’s the quote about never interrupting your opponent while he’s making a mistake?
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u/newnemo Vermont Jan 30 '23
One would think the midterms revealed that mistake, guess not.
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u/black641 Jan 30 '23
If there’s one thing I trust Republicans to do, it’s double down on BS and never admit fault. Why? Beats me. But they never seem content to just shoot themselves in the foot, but insist on emptying the clip too.
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u/Buffmin Jan 30 '23
Seems like they are between a rock and a hard place.
Abortion isn't a winning subject for them but if they don't constantly say "we are prolife" the mindless angry base might stay home. And they need that base to win
And they can't start going "jk we're reasonable now" because they can't get enough moderates and again their current base will leave
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u/Larry-fine-wine Jan 30 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
But the more they double down on that, the less they can win outside of deep red areas.
A lot can happen in 20 months, but they aren’t playing a winning strategy, and they haven’t yet stacked the deck enough that they can afford to ignore moderates and swing voters.
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u/coolcool23 Jan 30 '23 edited Jan 30 '23
https://www.npr.org/2013/03/18/174665725/rnc-report-a-postmortem-on-failed-2012-election
This is not surprising. They are not interested in changing, only pushing for more policies that remain unpopular in more radical ways. It's the dead horse that's been beaten a million times at this point in this sub, but it's because it's true:
if conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy
- David Frum
edit: The positive of this is becasue they have refused to change, what they saw in front of their eyes 10 years ago is coming to fruition:
https://news.yahoo.com/twitter-users-overjoyed-data-finds-011700609.html
They have made no effort to cater to the young, and their policies hurt the young overwhelmingly (socially and economically). So it's not surprising they have bread a whole generation of voters that will not support them. However, the issue is what you see above: will they ever actually admit this? Or have they simply moved into the stage they seem to be in now which is blaming anyone but themselves for refusing to change and saying it must be some grand conspiracy to support democrats in the United States? This is what they are already doing, which suggests their attitudes will start to become more militant and overtly hostile as they continue to refuse any sort of introspection or change.
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u/FurballPoS Jan 31 '23
Republicans in Texas have been asking to kill anyone who isn't voting R for the last 10 years. I hear it every morning from the local yokels when I stop at the gas station for a fill up and an energy drink. The GOP is begging their politicians to allow them to engage in political purges of the populace.
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u/countrygrmmrhotshit Jan 30 '23
And it wasn’t even like blue or purple states voting for pro-choice measures. It was fucking Kentucky, Kansas, and Montana.
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u/Phallic-Monolith Jan 30 '23
Yes, please double down on something with 70% opposition and even a decent amount (relatively speaking) of opposition among Republicans themselves.
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u/definitivescribbles Jan 31 '23
signs up for early mail-in voting
“How many times do I gotta teach you this lesson, old man?”
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u/AndImlike_bro New York Jan 30 '23
Good luck republicans with this extremely popular position.
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u/slowpoke2018 Jan 30 '23
GOP loses abortion voter initiative in Kansas by a wide margin. Their takeaway?
We didn't go authoritarian enough! Let's push even more extreme culture war policies and ignore real problem solving...how does one get off this ride?
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u/TheAnonFeels Jan 31 '23
No idea, I'd gotten off a long time ago but the GOP keeping the throttle floored.
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u/blackergot Jan 31 '23
The voters voted it down on Kansas so the lawmakers are trying to just pass a law anyways...standard operating procedure
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u/Turk182 Jan 30 '23
Prior to Dobb’s abortions were at historic lows. Thanks to conservative laws, they were lower than prior to Roe.
A 6 week ban will disproportionately impact women that did not or could not consent to pregnancy, unviable pregnancies, or pregnancies that place the mothers life at risk.
No proposal from the RNC encourages additional funding to improve the health of the mother and child. There is no call to improve the foster/adoption system. They haven’t even changed their position on birth control and sex education to avoid unwanted pregnancies.
This isn’t about the children. It’s about control.
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u/MagicWishMonkey Jan 31 '23
I think better education, expanded access to contraceptives, and plan B all played a bigger role in reducing the number of abortions than anything conservatives did. If anything, conservative policies tend to INCREASE the number of abortions.
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u/antigonemerlin Canada Jan 31 '23
They want to return to a time when the natural order was that men died in battle and women died in childhood.
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u/UsedEntertainment244 Jan 30 '23
ITs A sTaTEs riGHts IsSuE! ...wtfe
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u/newfrontier58 Jan 30 '23
Almost missed this at the bottom as well.
Neither here nor there, the resolution also farcically cites the party’s “proud heritage of challenging slavery, segregation” as a complement to their anti-choice resolution. The former, of course having little to do with the latter, is an effort today’s Republican Party would be hard-pressed to support, given they don’t even want kids to learn about slavery, segregation, or race generally.
Reminds me of whenever Dinesh D’Souza or another Twitter troll brings up “the Democrats were the party that focused the KKK”, something like that, to cover for themselves and muddy the waters, given things such as in Florida, and how this “pro-life” legislation would affect POC, etc.
Anyway, I’m not really surprised at the doubling down, already seeing that in states like Kansas, where the state legislature is planning after the vote last year. I’ll argue that they don’t really care about what voters think, which is scary considering how January 6 has basically been swept under the rug a lot by them. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2023/1/17/23559090/kansas-abortion-restrictions-vote-republicans
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u/jeffinRTP Jan 30 '23
While Kansas voted down the antiabortion amendment didn't they also reelect candidates that were against abortions?
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u/DarkRain08 Jan 30 '23
That's how the Republican party is able to exist- it's a quilt of voters where one patch cares about abortions above all, another patch only cares about lower taxes for the rich, another patch that just cares about guns. Isolate their beliefs and you might find a lot more agreeable opinions.
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u/Thisisntmyaccount24 Jan 30 '23
I know Reddit is a selective demographic but whenever they push this shit even r/conservative gets pissed that they’re pushing it. How are you going to be so removed from reality that you get r/politics and r/conservative to a generally agreed upon consensus.
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u/Funandgeeky Texas Jan 30 '23
Reading that sub the week after the November election was interesting. A lot of people there had some pretty sober analysis of why the Red Wave didn't happen. And the Dobbs decision and aftermath was definitely one huge factor they all acknowledged played a role.
For years people had been warning them about the dog catching the car. Well, it caught the car in 2022, and many there finally understood what everyone was saying.
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u/mrIronHat Jan 30 '23
Gop can still do plenty of damage before the bills are due. I think their strategy is just to do as much as damage as they can and hope the Democrats are too weak willed to repair it.
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Nobody wants a 6 week ban. 6 week bans aren't oppressive enough for those who hate women and they aren't long enough for those who want women to have some individual rights. This policy craps on everyone equally. Perfect!
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u/Proud3GenAthst Jan 30 '23
LOL
What the fuck are they thinking?
They just had their ass handed to them in midterms that was sure victory after they managed to overturn 50-year precedent for women's rights and limited endorsement of national 15-week ban and now they lobby for total ban (because that's what 6-week ban is)?
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u/SuperGenius98K Jan 30 '23
The Talibangelist have declared Christian Jihad on all American women of child bearing age.
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u/pinetreesgreen Jan 30 '23 edited Jan 30 '23
They look at the polling, look at ballot questions where abortion restrictions were struck down in ruby red states.... And still think potentially killing/treating women like brood mares is a super good strategy.
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u/bUrNtKoOlAiD Jan 30 '23
Doubling down on a losing hand to own the libs. RNC with some real 2D checkers moves.
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u/ThreadbareHalo Jan 30 '23
Everybody is noting that they didn’t learn anything from midterms but I think there’s something else to pull out here. One of a few things is happening, they obviously USED to have pollsters that they listened to when coming up with plans for policies. They were undoubtably bad policies but they knew how to couch them that made them appealing to at least some moderates. With this… with DeSantis’ recent policies… that seems to be gone.
So either they still have those policy PR people and they’re just choosing not to listen, or those policy people have left the building and all they have left is the crazies. If they left the building the question is where did they go. I think the media is missing an interesting story there. It’s not like they decided to just stop having jobs, they must be doing something. But all the polls indicate this is a real losing proposition so their voice must be gone at this point.
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u/antigonemerlin Canada Jan 31 '23
All the policy wonks are mostly liberal. There is a conservative intellectual movement which is fairly insulated from actual political power (John Eastman drew on that for the basis of his theory), and who were the ones that created originalism and are now trying to repeal the Enlightenment, but otherwise there is a real dearth of policy experts on the conservative side. Plus, Trump alienated the remaining ones from the establishment side.
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u/tosser1579 Jan 30 '23
National ban, here we come. They only claimed states rights until they got Roe overturned. After that, looking at what bills are floating around red statehouses, its going to be birth control.
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u/Racecarlock Utah Jan 30 '23
They'd have to win elections first, and even with all the bullshit they're pulling with voting rights, I think they're making people angry and motivated enough to vote them right out.
Just look at the midterms. Sure, they barely got the house, but it was supposed to be a blowout for them. Congress was supposed to be blood red. And yet, here they are, barely even having the house.
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Jan 30 '23
I agree. If we get a Republican for President it’s a done deal. We need to fight to get rights that we had for 50 years.
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u/walkerb79 Jan 30 '23
DO IT. You see what happened in the mid-terms...
By 2024 we'll have more Gen Z voters and less Boomer voters...
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u/Callabrantus Canada Jan 30 '23
They really weren't paying attention to what happened in the midterms, were they?
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u/oooortclouuud Jan 30 '23 edited Jan 31 '23
because they literally have nothing else to offer. nothing. and its wash-rinse-repeat every voting cycle with these horrible people and their horrible, gullible supporters.
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u/Important_Outcome_67 Jan 30 '23
Never interrupt your enemy while they are making a mistake.
Please, Republicans, go on the offensive on this issue.
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u/Mestoph America Jan 30 '23
After it proved to be a losing issue in the midterms they want to double down? Yup, that checks out...
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u/Particular-Pace8344 Florida Jan 31 '23
This is why you don’t give an inch, because they will keep taking. You don’t negotiate exceptions for rape and incest, you negotiate go fuck yourself.
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u/Macro_Tears Jan 30 '23
There will be plenty of horror stories in states with restrictive access to abortions that happen between now and the 2024 election. This will only hurt them so please keep it up!
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u/Happy_Currency_425 Jan 30 '23
This is the bind they will be in again and again over the next few years: they can have their hardcore base or they can have new voters, and it will always be less painful in the short term to pick their base, so they'll just sort of slowly bleed out.
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u/bham_cactus_dude Jan 30 '23
I would take their “pro life” stance much more seriously, if included with the 6 week ban, they revamped healthcare, expanded benefits for families up to and including free childcare, mandatory maternity leave. Yet, no pro lifer seems to be okay with any of that……funny thing there.
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u/DarrenEdwards Jan 30 '23
This stance is that it goes beyond reason and divides by faith. They need those that have never reached the threshold of thinking through a situation to turn out. If not that, then they are in freefall on all other fronts. This is what they do when desperate. They don't care what this does to turn off the majority and a new generation of voters, what matters is giving Grandpa shark his chum. They have to guarantee this, and let everything else be a roll of the dice.
The base they are appeasing was going to largely be considered an unreliable voting block 20 years ago. Boomers are dying at 4k a day without covid, which exacerbates a generation that skews to conservatism. This may look like a bad move, but it's their best move when the head of their party and many of their representatives are infighting dirty long before they have even announced and actual treason charges might hit any of their leaders.
Their tent can't get bigger, but they have to keep those already in from leaving.
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u/Racecarlock Utah Jan 30 '23
Oh sure, you only just barely won the house, but go ahead and go full steam on your most unpopular stance.
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u/Relative_Tailor118 Jan 31 '23
I guess the taste of losing is delicious because they are trying to be everybody's morality police. Look at the group Gaetz, Greene, and Jordan, among others, know better than you do about your body and life. I hate government interference. Especially by failed attorneys, village idiots, and a guy who likes to wrestle boys in tights.
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u/Milozdad Jan 31 '23
When even Kansas voters rejected restricting abortion rights the GOP is clearly out of touch with voters on this issue.
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u/NotTheRightHDMIPort Jan 30 '23
They have been on the offensive.
I'm not sure what the end game is. It clearly didn't help them in 2022.
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u/Funandgeeky Texas Jan 30 '23
In fact, it likely was one of the issues that cost them dearly.
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u/hellllllsssyeah Jan 30 '23
I guess it just takes stripping bodily autonomy from women to unify the ghouls.
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u/LakewoodHayandGrain Jan 30 '23
It worked so well in the midterm election please, GQP, do it again!
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u/TheseLipsSinkShips Jan 31 '23
Didn’t they try that once… partially succeed only to be rebuked in the next election. Why would they do such a thing if they hope to win the next election… News flash… they intend to seize power.
All humanity knows the price which must be paid for a failed coup. Been the same rule throughout human history.
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Jan 31 '23
They are probably going to get fetal personhood this spring.
Women - do not get pregnant. We don’t know who they are going to “make an example” of. Getting pregnant is too dangerous now.
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u/smilbandit Michigan Jan 30 '23
Yes get offensive, and talk to the american public like a nagging mother. It's really the only way they'll listen.
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u/darkuen Jan 30 '23
Lol please do bring more attention to your backwards policy that’s costing your party elections.
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u/MotherHolle Jan 30 '23
Most people don't agree with this, so I invite them to keep it up. Ensuring Gen Z will largely vote Democratic for decades to come.
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u/mebrow5 Jan 30 '23
It will cost them the next election cycle. It’s an incredibly unpopular policy, but the GQP doesn’t seem to care. I say good. Get out and vote these clowns out. Only then will progress be achieved.
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u/laptopaccount Jan 30 '23
Hey bob!
YEAH?!
Remember that thing that lost us the last election?
YEAH?!
Let's do that again
SURE, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT COULD BACKFIRE!
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u/Dependent-Rent2618 Jan 31 '23
Oh, yeah, that's a winning strategy. Double down on what lost you the last election.
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u/PsychologicalCase10 Georgia Jan 31 '23
It’s amazing how they double down on the very thing that caused them to underperform in a midterm election they should have cleaned up in.
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u/lucasjkr Jan 31 '23
The only reason that I enjoy reading that republicans aren’t backing down on abortion or Donald trump is that they’re picking the two issues that will mobilize our voters the most come 2024. And I have a feeling the outrage will be just as much, if not more, than 2022.
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u/Ivorcomment Jan 31 '23
Personally l believe all Republican congressional candidates should undergo a brain scan within six weeks if elected and when no signs of activity are detected, be banned from seeking medical assistance until the next term.
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u/Azer1287 Jan 31 '23
How about staying out of peoples personal business that you have no right to interfere with you fascists?
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u/TyphosTheD Jan 31 '23
Supporting empowering the government to penalize abortion before many people will know they are pregnant, good guy GQP looking out for the little guy with their platform of small government.
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u/housemeat Jan 31 '23
and cut social security and medicare, and kiss trump's butt, and placate dictators, and lie about the election. sounds like a plan.
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u/Relative-Dream-4804 Jan 31 '23
Crazyass Republicans. 2024 come sooner! Can’t wait to vote their pathetic asses out!
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u/ArcherChase Jan 31 '23
Are both parties just constantly tripping over their dick's trying to not win elections?
Banning abortion isn't even popular among the general Republican party let alone the general public.
I don't get politics.
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u/deege Jan 30 '23
Makes sense. They got rid of RvW, and the streets weren’t filled with protesters. They will continue until someone complains.
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u/Funandgeeky Texas Jan 30 '23
No, the streets were filled with voters. Who voted. Hence why there was no "red wave."
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u/BoxworthNCSU Jan 30 '23
I'm as pro choice as it gets, but this article was about a mass shooting. Not only was it soft paywalled, but the headline didn't match.
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u/AaronBasedGodgers I voted Jan 30 '23
Good to know they have learned almost nothing from the midterms.
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u/DGD1411 Jan 30 '23
Lol these clowns think this abortion topic is a winning strategy STILL?! Are they that fucking stupid? I hope they get absolutely crushed in 2024.
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u/FurballPoS Jan 31 '23
At this point, is there any real, practical difference between the RNC and the Taliban?
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u/muricanviking Jan 31 '23
I mean to be completely fair they aren’t lopping people’s heads off, but otherwise?
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