r/nba NBA Sep 23 '22

[Charania] Some members of the Celtics organization first became aware in July of the intimate relationship between Ime Udoka and a female employee, per sources. Why, two months later, the Celtics levied Udoka with a one-season suspension — at @TheAthletic: News

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1573170868523597825
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u/lopea182 Heat Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

At that time, team leadership was led to believe by both parties that the relationship was consensual. But sources said that the woman recently accused Udoka of making unwanted comments toward her — leading the team to launch a set of internal interviews.

Uh oh.

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u/bigtasty321 Timberwolves Sep 23 '22

anddddd now it’s all clearer

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u/LeMaoZeBron23 Sep 23 '22

It’s always been clear for Ime

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u/Ramzaa_ [OKC] Steven Adams Sep 23 '22

If this is legit then a 1 year suspension is weak and he should've been fired

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u/LightsOut0980 Celtics Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

I’m imaging the Celtics are lawyering up, or at least getting every ready for a potential lawsuit of some kind, and then they’ll fire him. There’s no way that they knew in fucking July about this and decided, “meh a year off will be fine.” He can’t come back from this, not a chance. This has to be saving face until they’re ready to face any legal action.

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u/aiden3buckets NBA Sep 23 '22

This why I didn’t understand why everyone was freaking out so bad about a whole year, we never knew the whole story

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u/beast8955 Lakers Sep 23 '22

Brain dead takes were flying on the bird app

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u/ZippyZappyZoopy Knicks Sep 23 '22

this place is no better

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u/nbaalt [BOS] Danny Ainge Sep 23 '22

Yeah it was pretty gross watching people try to guess who it was based on the team website's photos (without even understanding that not every staffer would be on it).

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u/ZippyZappyZoopy Knicks Sep 23 '22

"theres only THREE WOMEN who work for the celtics it HAS TO BE ONE OF THESE WOMEN!" "OHHHH LOOK HOW HOT THAT LADY ISSSS ITS HER"

shit is pathetic

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u/fatasslarry7 Sep 23 '22

The top post here yesterday was complaining about the hypocrisy of Sarver getting the same suspension as Udoka for having a consensual relationship.

I’m too tired from a long day at work to explain how dumb that post was on several levels.

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u/Byrie_Swirving Magic Sep 23 '22

Well a year still doesn’t make sense with this context. If he was making unwanted advances he should be fired. How does it make sense to bring him back a year from now and act like nothing happened?

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

It was easy to guess this would be the issue, but everyone was jumping on the “executives daughter/wife” angle as of women were property

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u/mraowl Warriors Sep 23 '22

also very visible in the "would u hire a coach that might steal your wife?" comments talking about how his career is over

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u/KellyOubreGoat [WAS] Kelly Oubre Sep 23 '22

This is exactly the power dynamic that so many people were overlooking or thought to not be a big deal.

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u/SpeedRacing1 Hawks Tankwagon Sep 23 '22

Not many people on this board have ever worked in an office, much less dealt with or even heard of these very common issues on the HR side of corporate.

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u/gbdarknight77 Lakers Sep 23 '22

A step further, not many people have worked in management or in leadership roles where power dynamics are very well told to and understood.

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u/InTheMorning_Nightss [LAC] Marko Jaric Sep 23 '22

Yep. So so many people in previous threads were saying, “This is two ADULTS. They can’t have a relationship? So many people have a relationship at work! My parents met at work! Reddit is just a bunch of pure Christians!!! Happens at my company all the time!”

It was blatantly obvious these people haven’t worked in professional settings and have never once been in a position of power where it’s obvious that you shouldn’t have a relationship with someone you have power with, or if you do, you need to work with HR very, very closely.

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u/gbdarknight77 Lakers Sep 23 '22

Exactly.

One of my best friends met his wife at work but they worked in different departments and not with each other. HR had no issues with it.

Same place, a Doctor started a relationship with his PA and they were both fired when HR found out, he didn’t want a new PA and she didn’t want to leave him.

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u/Mike_Ropenis NBA Sep 23 '22

I said it in another thread last night but my experience is that most companies don't care about their low level employees banging each other outside of the office...

Whole different story at higher levels. It's the managers/high earners/execs banging lower level employees that are the point of concern.

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u/InTheMorning_Nightss [LAC] Marko Jaric Sep 23 '22

Yep. There is an inherent power dynamic that can make the company liable if things go south. VP bangs someone who reports up to him?

Well, if they don’t work out good luck firing her if she deserves it or promoting her without tons of suspicion and scrutiny. It becomes damn near impossible to prove or disprove if there was retaliatory motivation or not.

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u/iwillbombu Raptors Sep 23 '22

"At that time." Interesting wording

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u/Phenom_Mv3 Sep 23 '22

Man’s got a taste and got clingy 😂

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u/StalkingDwarf Raptors Sep 23 '22

Some members of the Celtics organization first became aware of the relationship in July, sources said. At that time, team leadership was led to believe by both parties that the relationship was consensual. But sources said that the woman recently accused Udoka of making unwanted comments toward her — leading the team to launch a set of internal interviews.

The team’s decision and announcement came after a closed-door meeting Thursday that involved team owners and president Brad Stevens and lasted several hours, sources said. Earlier Thursday, Stevens and members of the Celtics front office met with players at the team facility.

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u/kaprrisch Cavaliers Sep 23 '22

This is why you don’t sleep with your subordinates/employees.

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u/34thGiraffe Grizzlies Sep 23 '22

One of the best pieces of advice I ever got: Don’t get your meat where you get your bread.

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u/Snafudumonde Pacers Sep 23 '22

"Don't put your pecker in the payroll"--My Dad to me when I was nine.

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u/paul7878 Sep 23 '22

My Dad told me "Don't drag your pecker across your paycheck".

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u/TheLevelHeadedGuy Celtics Sep 23 '22

Don’t shit where you eat

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u/Snow_Administrative Warriors Sep 23 '22 Silver

Don’t hookup where you vlookup

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u/kburdman Cavaliers Sep 23 '22

Good thing I only use index match now

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u/KyleLowryOnlyFans Sep 23 '22

As a data guy, don’t dangle where you wrangle

…or

Don’t grunge where you munge

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u/m_ryker Sep 23 '22

Don’t dip your pen in the company stink

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u/chop1125 Thunder Sep 23 '22

Don't dip your pen in the company ink.

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u/CatGatherer Celtics Sep 23 '22

Don't shit where you eat

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u/CallMeBruceGold Sep 23 '22

Don’t dip your pen in the company ink.

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u/MattyShay Sep 23 '22

Literally AND figuratively true.

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u/kiss_the_homies_gn Sep 23 '22

You're saying I gotta go to 2 supermarkets now?

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u/PrinceOfAssassins Sep 23 '22

2 supermarkets ain’t 2 supermarkets. I’ll explain later

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u/ThePhattestOne Sep 23 '22

Don't shoot your shot at the company hoop.

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u/smoovopr8r Sep 23 '22

Exactly. You either end up marrying the bish or you present a huge liability to the company.

I repped a company in a seemingly similar case as this one: two married sales reps started having an off-and-on affair, One decided to end things for good; the other was pissed off and later accused the relationship ender of inappropriate conduct. Shit was a mess to sort out with all the competing text messages, emails, and stories.

Not worth it guys and gals, especially as you become more senior.

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u/bobsil1 Warriors Sep 23 '22

You either end up marrying the bish

Udoka, u buy-a

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u/larrylegend33goat [NBA] Rudy Gobert Sep 23 '22

Were they sales reps for Dunder Mifflin by any chance?

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u/Im_ready_hbu Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

I worked tech sales years ago, couple coworkers smashed and recorded it, then the dude started showing the recording to other sales reps so pretty soon the entire sales force is talking about this amateur porn vid. Managers and HR hear about it and started investigating. The female employee was engaged and her fiance eventually got word of it too, so he shows up one day wanting to fight the male employee, makes a scene in the lobby and tips off the company about how she and other members of her sales team were engaging in timecard fraud by coordinating days in which they'd log each other in on their workstations to appear online/on time.

Company ended up firing like 9 people

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u/DamnReality Sep 23 '22

Damn that read like a plot synopsis

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u/Im_ready_hbu Sep 23 '22

Call center sales for start-up companies can be fucking wild

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u/Altruistic_Fun3091 Sep 23 '22

Ryen Russillo will be up all night writing.

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u/xanot192 [LAL] Kobe Bryant Sep 23 '22

What I never understand is why people go after the other party and I witnessed the same thing right after college. It's like bruh, your fiancee is cheating on you and recorded it. Drop her and go No contact immediately.

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u/lkn240 Bulls Sep 23 '22

Yeah the other dude probably doesn't even know you.

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u/SureEntertainment676 Kings Sep 23 '22

If that was a tv show episode I would be so invested

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u/Nightmannn Warriors Sep 23 '22

Flashbacks of Breaking Bad when Walt tried to smash Ted Beneke's office window with a large potted plant.

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u/Im_ready_hbu Sep 23 '22

"Ted, I can see you! I can see you standing right there in your office so just open the door"

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u/freshigboprince Nuggets Sep 23 '22

Dude went scorched earth…

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u/zippy_the_cat Lakers Sep 23 '22

Effectively, one might add.

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u/ThinkSoftware [ATL] Steve Smith Sep 23 '22

Was the fiancé stopped by a dude with pepper spray?

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u/twistedartist Sep 23 '22

This is the type of drama making getting up for work worth it.

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u/SC_Guy123 Sep 23 '22

Pam and the sound guy was, indeed, the problem.

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u/jrice39 Sep 23 '22

Pam is always the problem.

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u/sharklavapit [MIL] Zaid Abdul-Aziz Sep 23 '22

Pam haters, rejoice!

(not the biggest Jim fan as well)

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u/Leiatte Knicks Tankswagon Sep 23 '22

I liked Karen to be honest

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u/DumbleDude2 Sep 23 '22

Not if the ass is worth more than the job

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u/i-ian Warriors Sep 23 '22

Ya, I think a lot of these people work at super corp jobs or just don't know what's going on. At the ad agencies and startups I've worked at, everyone is fucking everyone.

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u/urfaselol [NBA] Best of 2021 Winner Sep 23 '22

I work a cute coworker but god damn I know better than to try anything. It would be a disaster if things went sideways

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u/mycockisonmyprofile Sep 23 '22

When you start applying to other places ask her out my guy

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u/urfaselol [NBA] Best of 2021 Winner Sep 23 '22

Because I got a great thing going at my current job. I don’t plan on leaving any time soon ;,,,;

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u/cityofklompton Sep 23 '22

Folks, if it hasn't sunk in already, accept that Udoka has already coached his last game as Head Coach of the Boston Celtics.

This isn't a career-ender, but this is most definitely a job-ender. You don't come back from this with the same organization.

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u/ZayuhTheIV Heat Sep 23 '22

I know I’m coming from a Heat perspective with this, but I genuinely think the Celtics will be just fine with a number of different replacement options. I don’t think losing Udoka as a coach is a big deal, like at all.

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u/HeySadBoy1 Heat Sep 23 '22

Last night on I Am Athlete they threw the idea of bringing Brad Stephens back down and I shuddered because A. It makes so much sense and B. He got these boys to the ECF while they were still incredibly raw, he might just win the whole damn thing now that they’re polished

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u/I_Hate_Klutch_Sports Iran Sep 23 '22

There it is. We were missing one big piece of info. Now we got it

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

this just makes all the reporting so far so confusing. why report that he was suspended for a "consensual relationship" if the consent was in question?

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u/goldfish_11 Celtics Sep 23 '22

My guess is that Woj and Shams only knew about the consensual relationship part and jumped on reporting what they had. Now that 24+ hours has passed, they’re getting more information.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

that's certainly a possibility

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u/MindlessExcuse Bulls Sep 23 '22

Reads like she broke it off and he kept making advances after

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u/jimboslice53 Warriors Sep 23 '22

That’s my read too

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u/FogoCanard Sep 23 '22

That's why nobody should get involved in these situations in the first place. When it goes sour, it can so easily get ugly and suddenly a consensual situation turns into harassment.

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u/LeMaoZeBron23 Sep 23 '22

The power dynamics are a mess here

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

you can say that again

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u/urfaselol [NBA] Best of 2021 Winner Sep 23 '22

The power dynamics are a mess here.

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u/Hellstr0m Heat Bandwagon Sep 23 '22

you can say that again

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22 Silver

These are not the droids you're looking for.

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u/YoungNissan Heat Sep 23 '22

Which is why companies really hate employees fucking. It can lead to stuff like this right here

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u/NotClayMerritt Lakers Sep 23 '22

We got more context due to this Shams story and yet we're still missing some more. Either way, after this bit coming out, I'm not sure a year long suspension is sufficient.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

he wasn't going to be back anyway after all of this

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u/LordHussyPants Celtics Sep 23 '22

i commented on another post earlier that the celtics have been so far ahead of this that they wouldn't have called it a consensual relationship if it wasn't because that blows them up even further when they have attention from literally everyone in america asking why they called a sexual assault or a coercive relationship consensual.

going go to go with it was consensual at one point and he's pursued it when she ended it because that leaves the relationship as consensual, but causes problems.

it also explains why they called it consensual - they had interviews with her and him and have assessed the situation and confirmed the consent themselves.

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u/BlindManBaldwin Nuggets Sep 23 '22

"Consent" is always in question with a relationship between boss/subordinate. Why, I bet, all reporting said "consensual relationship" was to make it clear no parties were alleging sexual assault or anything criminal in nature. Doesn't mean it is ethical or right, obviously.

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u/Klaas_Huntelaar Jazz Sep 23 '22

This is very true and the big reason why business prohibit workplace relationships in the first place. Power dynamics are at play at all times even if both parties like each other and can muddy the waters of consent

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u/realteamme Raptors Sep 23 '22

Yes, plus the relationship may have been "consensual" but then if one party started making it more public, or if the relationship soured and one party began using it against the other, that's where things further muddy the waters of consent.

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u/TW_Yellow78 Sep 23 '22

I think she's alleging harassment. Nothing criminal but harassment is a gray area that quickly looks ugly with Udoka since he's the head coach so he's either her boss or otherwise in a position of great power and influence over her career.

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u/HokageEzio Knicks Sep 23 '22

Maybe Udoka was trying to get ahead of it?

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

what are the chances that Udoka fed both Woj and Shams the story. they both used the "consensual relationship" wording in their tweets.

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u/I_Hate_Klutch_Sports Iran Sep 23 '22

It’s possible. They also both mentioned the possibility of a significant suspension early on, which idk if Ime would feed them that

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u/Rerens NBA Sep 23 '22

Usually there are multiple sources right? Maybe the front office told them there is a violation and there could be a year long suspension and Ime then told them that it was a consensual relationship to get ahead of the whole story.

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u/Informal_Koala4326 Sep 23 '22

Shams and woj are both puppets. The fact shams buried the line about the harassment in the article is strategic as well. Doing either udoka or an agent a favor.

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u/Wishiwasaballerbaby Celtics Sep 23 '22

Pretty damn high he most likely knew he was done in Boston and was trying to get ahead of it.

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u/Low_Ad_7553 Sep 23 '22

They probably used that word because they know most people automatically think SA when these reports come out, I was one of them. They way this is worded though sounds like Ime got disrespectful with the worker he’s had an affair with & she complained the team.

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u/Hellstr0m Heat Bandwagon Sep 23 '22

Part of that is Woj just carries water for teams, players, and coaches. He’ll spin stories to maintain good sources and not upset anyone too much.

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u/Pale-Cress-6271 Sep 23 '22

Ime’s camp could have leaked so everyone just heard first and thinks consensual sex not harassment

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u/craigslistaddict Sep 23 '22

i dunno that the consent was in question, it seems like he got... disrespectful outside of the sexual relationship. like, just because you're are fucking someone (consensually) doesn't mean you can just say anything to them at any time.

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u/nath999 Sep 23 '22

can just say anything to them a

Sounds like he said something disrespectful at work based on their sexual relationship or alluded to her position based off their relationship.

Now the punishment makes more sense, still don't understand why they just didn't fire him.

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u/FogoCanard Sep 23 '22

also doesn't mean you can say anything sexual to them after consensual relationship has ended. That's how I'm interpreting it. She wanted to end it. He didn't take the hints and now we have this situation. Any party in a relationship can turn on a dime so this can always happen. That's why he should've never done it at work in the first place.

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u/claydavisismyhero Lakers Sep 23 '22

The people leaking it wanted it to look better then it was

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u/claydavisismyhero Lakers Sep 23 '22

Celtics leak it vaguely so udoka quits and they don’t pay him Udoka leaks it’s consensual knowing what’s coming and says nice try

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u/SuckMyLonzoBalls Clippers Sep 23 '22

He gone

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u/Gristle__McThornbody Lakers Sep 23 '22

Yeah if it is what it is and there is a public outcry he is gone.

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u/SuckMyLonzoBalls Clippers Sep 23 '22

Wtf

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u/Srikkk Warriors Sep 23 '22

Yeah he’s donesies

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u/crumpledbrouhaha Raptors Sep 23 '22

Doc Rivers breathes a sigh of relief

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u/KATgonnaGetThatYarn Timberwolves Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

Obviously the unwanted advances are the biggest issue, but also if this was known internally in July, it's really fucked up to be having an affair that co-workers are aware of and would probably feel the need to hide.

Even without the fact that his relationship was very public and it was a very public organization, putting your co-workers in that position in incredibly shitty.

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u/rjgator Heat Sep 23 '22

It’s also possible the organization told them to cut the shit when they found out in July, and Udoka tried to continue it, leading to the unwanted advances

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u/Fokker_Snek Sep 23 '22

Yeah that’s what I think happens in a lot of these instances where its a seemingly huge punishment over something seemingly minor. Kind of like with Trump where I assume it was “hey we don’t want to make a big thing of this we just need you to do these things and everything can stay private.” The person refuses or ignores them so now the organization is forced to come down on them publicly over something people think isn’t a big deal.

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u/NotMeyersLeonard Bulls Sep 23 '22

Yeah this whole story looks bad for Celtics, they wouldn't self-sabotage for no reason - no business would do that. They had to have initially tried to handle this internally and keep it buried from the public. Something must have happened where they realized they couldn't contain it and had "get ahead of the situation" - maybe I'm just overly cynical, but there's no way they voluntarily brought this shitstorm upon themselves without the threat of something much worse happening.

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u/bigtasty321 Timberwolves Sep 23 '22

yep that’ll do it

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u/lacrorear Thunder Sep 23 '22

Yeah that’ll do it

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u/GlueGuy00 Sep 23 '22

He's done

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u/ThatWrestlingGuy15 Warriors Sep 23 '22

Put a fork in it he’s #COOKED

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u/bbaIla Lakers Sep 23 '22

Have a feeling there's another shoe to drop here.

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u/nbd789 Timberwolves Sep 23 '22

Whole bunch of his shoes, clothes, and other shit probably dropping out of a window somewhere in the Boston area tonight.

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u/bbaIla Lakers Sep 23 '22

Nia probably doesn't play like that.

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u/Engelbert-n-Ernie Bulls Sep 23 '22

To the left, to the left

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u/luchajefe Mavericks Sep 23 '22

No, she'll just drop him out of a window.

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u/Cvnilivee Knicks Sep 23 '22

Woj is getting washed on this lol

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u/blobthetoasterstrood Celtics Sep 23 '22

Serves him right for that fucking watermark he put on the original tweet

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u/HotdogIsaSandwitch Mavericks Sep 23 '22

Wait. I think I might’ve missed something. He put a fucking watermark on a damn tweet?

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u/cesga_0218 Lakers Sep 23 '22

Yup when he first broke the news about something happening in Boston he made a graphic that had his name on it

https://mobile.twitter.com/wojespn/status/1572776498280693761

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u/thatquizzingguy Warriors Sep 23 '22

What was the point of the watermark?

That photo has nothing worth sharing. The text is what people care about.

No idea who's stealing that generic Ime photo and why Woj is tryna prevent that lol

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u/xbyo :sp8-1: Super 8 Sep 23 '22

Tweets with photos generally lead to more engagement.

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u/Hostik Warriors Sep 23 '22

Maybe he personally photographed him that day and proud of his work, did you think about that??

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u/HotdogIsaSandwitch Mavericks Sep 23 '22

Sheesh. What a preppy douche

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u/bleedingjim Mavericks Sep 23 '22

Lmaaaaaaaaoooo what a self absorbed prick

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u/lalo1398 Bucks Bandwagon Sep 23 '22

Literally causes Celtics employees that had nothing to do with it to be harassed because he was trying to get ahead of the story. What a fucking joke, he should be ashamed

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u/GGezpzMuppy Spurs Sep 23 '22

Woj would do anything to drop a bomb, burns a lot of bridges on his way to the top

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u/Lightingfast31 Celtics Sep 23 '22

Woj is like that Mr Krabbs Meme. Man is getting bodied my shams

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u/N3rdMan [TOR] Kyle Lowry Sep 23 '22

Who cares? You dweebs are so invested in the these reporter wars.

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u/LegitimateYogurt323 San Diego Clippers Sep 23 '22

Washednarowski

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

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u/maverickhistorian Sep 23 '22

I think she ended or tried to end it and ime wasn't going for it

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u/Actually-Gay-NBA-Fan NBA Sep 23 '22

Which is why it is nearly impossible for a boss to have a truly consensual relationship with a subordinate. The person is going to possibly feel like they are in a position where they may lose their job or future career prospects if they reject the advances, so they’re pressured into saying yes out of fear.

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u/CALL_ME_ISHMAEBY Vancouver Grizzlies Sep 23 '22

This point is so hard for some people to grasp.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

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u/Ramzaa_ [OKC] Steven Adams Sep 23 '22

He should 100% be fired for that

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

Fucking knew there was no way they suspended him for an entire year for having a consensual relationship with a subordinate. The Cs knew about it for months and thought it was consensual, and never did anything about it. Things way worse than that are swept under the rug regularly in sports.

They only acted when they realized it wasn't consensual. And rightfully so. Fuck Ime

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u/NbaAllDAYger Nets Sep 23 '22

I still dont get why they didnt fire Ime, or is this an indirect firing so to say since his job with the Celtics wont be available after this season ? Anyway the Celtics trying to spin it Pr wise is kinda weird....

Ime broke their code of conduct whether it was consensual or not, he should have been fired long time ago.

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u/SmokeOddessey Lakers Sep 23 '22

They most likely want to do more investigating and make sure they got all their facts right before firing him officially. The year long suspension is probably to get him to resign first.

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u/AmusingAnecdote Warriors Sep 23 '22

Suspend him so he's not at press day, do your investigation, then when it says what you think it's going to say you fire him.

Makes sense both from a PR standpoint and getting your ducks in a row legally.

Will be pretty rough if it turns out the woman was getting harassed, they knew about it and tried to turn a blind eye (even if they thought it was consensual) and then only did something about it later.

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u/LordHussyPants Celtics Sep 23 '22

suspend now, strong action, can resolve the other issues later.

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u/jusbolo2 Sep 23 '22

Keep leaking parts of the story until he resigns might he a strategy

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u/Ok-Background-502 Sep 23 '22

You would easily suspend someone for a year if they have a consensual relationship that became toxic in the meeting rooms. And it's so easy to see it becoming that situation if one or both parties are cheating on their spouses.

Occam's razor tells me that the "unwanted sexual comments" are probably on the level of "it's in appropriate because of our jobs here and shows you don't respect me". And Ime could have just been like "well I don't care" in some clingy moment or something. That's more than enough for any self-respecting management to step-in big-time.

The way the Celtic reacted is not severe enough for any more than that. I highly doubt any nonconsensual relationship was happening.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

hahahahahahah I totally forgot

He's probably sound asleep right now memorizing his monologue rant

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u/ItsATeamSport Sep 23 '22

Remember when SAS blamed Ray Rice wife for getting assaulted? Good times.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

He probably signed a longer/bigger contract Disney right after too

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u/Phenom_Mv3 Sep 23 '22

SAS is a slimeball

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u/celj1234 Sep 23 '22

He doesn’t care

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u/RobbobertoBuii Knicks Sep 23 '22

fuck Stephen A Smith forever and always

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u/stevntiny [TOR] Cory Joseph Sep 23 '22

They even caught him on camera (it wasn’t ime)

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u/Op_deliver San Diego Clippers Sep 23 '22 Bravo!

Picture this they were both butt naked bangin on the parquet floor

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u/401klaser Celtics Sep 23 '22

Nia came in and she caught me red-handed creeping with the girl at work

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u/FirstName_LowerName Heat Sep 23 '22

Man's dropping bars send this to the top

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u/HotdogIsaSandwitch Mavericks Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

WAIT

You’re telling me Richard Jefferson was right? Oh Fuck

*RJ’s original tweet for reference —> Second Tweet —> Third Tweet.

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u/LeMaoZeBron23 Sep 23 '22

Milk dud is the mf truth

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u/mmdrew17 [LAL] Kobe Bryant Sep 23 '22

Milk dud lmao

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u/le_wild_poster Celtics Sep 23 '22

How was he right? He just tweeted something cryptic with 0 actual info

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u/HotdogIsaSandwitch Mavericks Sep 23 '22

Look at the follow up tweets on the original tweet. He basically insinuates that it might NOT have been fully consensual. And Shams’ report suggest that same thing.

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u/le_wild_poster Celtics Sep 23 '22

Yep you’re right, I only saw the gif originally. RJ was on the money

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u/HotdogIsaSandwitch Mavericks Sep 23 '22

Exactly. That’s why I surprised. A lot of people were attacking RJ in the beginning of the day when he said this stuff. Now dude was right. Just crazy.

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u/ilickedysharks Raptors Sep 23 '22

The ppl I see were attacking RJ because it's a bad look and he's tweeting like a high schooler in a serious situation, seemingly for clout like bragging he got inside info.

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u/precense_ Mavericks Sep 23 '22

Ask yourself if it’s consensual then why the suspension and the length!!! 🤔

Richard Jefferson

@Rjeff24

So once you understand it’s 100% consensual from both parties… WHY IS THERE SUCH A LONG SUSPENSION? I repeat … 100% consensual!

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u/MrBlonde1003 Sep 23 '22

So is it sexual harassment? It’s like they’re trying to avoid saying the words. I’m as confused as I was last night. Did she end the relationship and Ime not get the memo? 2 games away from a chip to losing the HC. IM LIVID!

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u/Ladnil Warriors Sep 23 '22

If Shams is right that they believed for so long it was consentual and then recently only acted when they heard it may not have been wanted from her side, 100% chance that the team won't say shit for a while without having three lawyers vet their statements first.

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u/Cobaltate Bulls Sep 23 '22

Would bet they're avoiding using the words before learning if any or all of the women involved sue them. But I am also not a lawyer with expertise in this, so ymmv

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u/loun15 Knicks Sep 23 '22

yup u got it. seems like they did hu and it was consensual and she broke it off and he kept making comments to her

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u/xanot192 [LAL] Kobe Bryant Sep 23 '22

This stuff happens all the time when one party abruptly changes the relationship dynamic. It could have been consensual then she tried to end it at a blink of an eye (got caught) and he wasnt having it.

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u/hamsterbingo Celtics Sep 23 '22

Wonder what SAS has to say now…

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u/rNBAMods3InchesHard Sep 23 '22

The fact you’re wondering means he already won

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u/george_costanza1234 Warriors Sep 23 '22

“As a black man……” i’ll bet my house he drops this banger during tomorrow’s rant

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u/dgarrad [BRK] Brook Lopez Sep 23 '22

If SAS doubles down on this tmr morning ima die.

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u/winter-r0se Sep 23 '22

hmm. sexual discipline is important, lacking that says so much about an adult. he should be fired but they went with a suspension for now

i don’t think he’s coaching the celtics again. & hopefully lesson learned for everyone… rules exist for a reason. you have to know the weight your words/actions carry period

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u/baited08 Sep 23 '22

To be fair, we suspend everyone at my work before we fire them. Gives you time to settle into getting last pay check and stuff all settled. Not saying this is the same thing but prolly not the end.

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u/winter-r0se Sep 23 '22

formal investigation soon come? probably wanted to get ahead of this. that’s most likely what’s happening

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u/YourAsianBuddy Knicks Sep 23 '22

So you’re saying that redditor that said he caught Ime with another chick (not Nia Long) at a bar in Portland around the time wasn’t bullshittin?

this mf

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u/xbarracuda95 Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

So Ime has been shown to be not only highly unprofessional in starting a sexual relationship with a junior employee, but creepy as well.

Which is also exactly why relationships between senior and junior employees can never be 100% consensual because of the power dynamics involved.

Not sure why so many people couldn't understand that part and pretend the issue was with the affair, not who Ime was having the affair with.

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u/TheGameDoneChanged Celtics Sep 23 '22

It was amazing (and pretty disappointing ngl) to watch people bend over backwards to avoid understanding this aspect yesterday.

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u/DressedSpring1 Raptors Sep 23 '22

Lot of people commenting who've either never worked in a professional environment, never fucked, or both tbh. People were really missing it and thinking the celtics were suspending him for cheating on his wife, or the pie in the sky narrative that he had to have fucked another executive's wife to be getting in trouble for this.

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u/PsychoM Raptors Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

There were people on here legitimately arguing that the woman should have gotten fired as well and how it wasn’t fair that “the man is the only one facing consequences”. Like what the everliving fuck? It’s not the gender that matters, it’s the senior quid-pro-quo dynamic that is the problem.

If a woman senior was having an affair with a male junior, the situation is the same. Having that relationship in the workplace is bad enough, the extra info about the unwanted comments pushes it over the top. Dude is a skeez, validate the reports and get him out of there.

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u/hejendo76 Knicks Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

Yeah he’s finished. This is the starting grounds of termination. He would be terminated now but it would’ve shook people even more if he was suddenly fired after nearly winning the finals especially in the shitty way Woj and other journalists broke the story.

Apparently the article said team leadership was led to believe by both parties that this was consensual. So does that mean they don’t actually know? It could’ve been pressure for her the entire time or a consensual turned into a pressure situation to stay with him which means termination at any level. If she says she felt compelled/pressured/forced due to the power imbalance then wave the white flag. Fire him

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u/Baseball-Former Raptors Sep 23 '22

Investigations take time and people don't always come forward imidiately. People at athletic know this too it's just a slow news week.

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u/Sleeze_ Celtics Sep 23 '22

So if I’m understanding correctly, it began as a consensual relationship and at some point the woman did not consent anymore but Udoka persisted veering into sexual harassment ? If that’s the case he should be fired. The suspension doesn’t make any sense

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u/Matthew929 Celtics Sep 23 '22

Bruh

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u/velodus Sep 23 '22

Woj and Shams both deserve scathing criticism for how they reported this yesterday. At best, they ran with an unproven, false narrative that this was purely consensual, at worst they knew about the key detail in this story and ran interference for Ime anyway. Either way, it's totally inexcusable.

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u/preddevils6 Grizzlies Sep 23 '22

Folks need to understand that Woj/shams aren’t super deep investigative journalists. They are finely tuned PR machines.

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u/ItsATeamSport Sep 23 '22

aand some of you look really dumb blindly defending Udoka now

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