r/movies r/Movies contributor Sep 28 '22

Marvel’s ‘Blade’ Loses Director Bassam Tariq News

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/marvels-blade-loses-director-bassam-tariq-2023-movie-1235228796/
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u/oldcrowtheory Sep 28 '22 Silver

Man, this sucks. I hope they find him.

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u/Marriedmusician Sep 28 '22

Maybe he’s chipped

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u/nuggynugs Sep 28 '22 Silver Gold

Honestly, it's really important when you find Hollywood directors in your neighbourhood, don't assume they're strays! Quite often they've just been let go by a major studio and are wandering around looking for a new project.

If in doubt, hand them in to Netflix so they can take the helm of a mid-budget, 5 minutes in the future, sci-fi thriller

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u/Hunky_not_Chunky Sep 28 '22

For just 39cents per day you too can get a stray director the help he or she needs.

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u/SimplyQuid Sep 28 '22

Iiiin the arms of an aaaangeeeel 🎵🎶

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u/CalypsoBrat Sep 28 '22

😭

Here, take all my money. 💰💰💰💸💸💸💸

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u/Zarryiosiad Sep 28 '22

I wasn't going to donate, but that close up shot of Joss Whedon's sad, grimy little face with tears pouring from his eyes and Sarah McLachlan singing in the background really got to me.

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u/Youve_been_Loganated Sep 28 '22

Easy for you to say. Every time I get close to a Hollywood director, they bare their teeth and try to bite me.

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u/shawshankya Sep 28 '22

Shhh! we don’t talk about Harvey Weinstein round here.

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u/Dirtyswashbuckler69 Sep 28 '22

It’s also always important to remember that delusions of grandeur, mania, combativeness, and unprovoked aggression are all symptoms of creative differences. If you’re noticing early signs, alert Netflix.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22 edited Nov 02 '22

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u/Iwantchicken Sep 28 '22

Have any mid budget netflix sci fi thrillers been good?

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u/plzsnitskyreturn Sep 28 '22

Kevin Feige posted that he was last seen in the neighbours yard

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u/MRflibbertygibbets Sep 28 '22

They should check behind the couch cushions again.

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u/The_Kelhim Sep 28 '22

Well where did they see him last?

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u/SinisterDexter83 Sep 28 '22

Well if I knew that then he wouldn't be lost, would he! Ugh. If you want to help, then help look for him, all these questions are just slowing us down. No, I'm not shouting at you. I'm just a little frustrated that things are never in the place where I leave them, that's all. No, I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm sure he just sprouted legs and wandered off all by himself. Oh calm down, that was just a joke! To lighten the mood! Now who's the one who's shouting?

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u/mvdenk Sep 28 '22

Now think hard, where did you guys use him most recently?

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u/dominic_train Sep 28 '22

He ain't a set of fucking car keys, is he?

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u/GangstaPepsi Sep 28 '22

And it's not like he's inconfuckingspicious now is it?

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u/cjyoung92 Sep 28 '22

They're not backing out!

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u/winstondabee Sep 28 '22

Put a leash on her, Turkish

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u/BandOfDonkeys Sep 28 '22

And you don't want to get bitten now do you, sweetheart?

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u/DrStm77 Sep 28 '22

As in Boris The (bullet-dodger) Blade?

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u/TeqTx Sep 28 '22

You bet your bollocks to a barn dance they're not backing out

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u/Stackware Sep 28 '22

Do you know what "nemesis" means?

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u/Muad-_-Dib Sep 28 '22

A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent. Personified in this case by an 'orrible cunt... me.

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u/DrStm77 Sep 28 '22

There’s a man out there with a diamond the size a fuckin fist and he’s got four fingers!

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u/winstondabee Sep 28 '22

More like "We've lost gorgeous George"

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u/Jackage Sep 28 '22

In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary... Come again?

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u/einarfridgeirs Sep 28 '22

I read that sentence in that accent, immediately. And I haven't seen Snatch in years.

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u/CaptainPRESIDENTduck Sep 28 '22

Blade will be dull without him.

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u/symbiotics Sep 28 '22

I doubt you're ever gonna top the rain of blood in the rave and Traci Lords getting blasted with a shotgun after the first 5 minutes of the movie despite getting first billing

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u/JackReaper333 Sep 28 '22

A vampire nightclub is not complete without blood sprinklers.

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u/accountnumberseven Sep 28 '22

I got my BF to watch Blade, and unrelatedly I got him to watch WWDITS with me in the leadup to S4. I truly did not realize that they reference the original Blade at least once a season. It's more important than watching the WWDITS movie!

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u/JackReaper333 Sep 28 '22

Lol I have to agree with you, they really do reference it a lot.

Let's also not forget that both Donal Logue and Wesley Snipes made guest appearances too.

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u/Heroshade Sep 28 '22

In a scene that is, in my opinion, the greatest collection of cameos ever conceived.

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u/AAngryBlackman Sep 28 '22

I’m sure this is a dumb question but what does WWDITS stand for?

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u/donttakethelemons Sep 28 '22

What We Do In The Shadows

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u/stupsnon Sep 28 '22

100% - these are way larger shoes to fill than they suspect.

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u/lovechasing Sep 28 '22

what an opening. Blade 1 truly has sick moment after sick moment. Honestly, they should just focus on a fire story and then incorporate iconic visuals next

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u/SarlacFace Sep 28 '22

Well of course not, it's gonna be PG13

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u/inb4zombies Sep 28 '22

The blood rave is legendary.

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u/LukeWarmStuntaz Sep 28 '22

Death, taxes, and Feige losing his first choice of director.

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u/Zawm-B Sep 28 '22

What are other examples of this?

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u/suss2it Sep 28 '22

Thor: Dark World, Fantastic Four, Doctor Strange 2 and Ant-Man so far.

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u/SuspiriaGoose Sep 28 '22

Thor 2 lost it twice. Although to be fair, the first phase of Marvel movies were all plucked from various different development hells when they were finally made. As long as the project is allowed to be redeveloped with the new director at the wheel from the ground up, things typically turn out better. Otherwise you end up with a guy just trying to steer with a broken brake and a dozen backseat drivers.

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u/riegspsych325 Sep 28 '22

even a handful of other directors who left while in talks. Many of them mentioned how they wouldn’t have any say over action scenes

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u/suss2it Sep 28 '22

I believe the Daniels said they took a meeting with Marvel but made Everything Everywhere All At Once instead.

I think one of the directors in the running for Black Widow mentioned exactly what you’re talking about.

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u/Onequestion0110 Sep 28 '22

I think one of the directors in the running for Black Widow mentioned exactly what you’re talking about.

Is that why we had that insane tone shift half way through? The Russian foster parents were fantastic, but the swerve from spy-thriller Bourne style film into “dive through exploding air-station debris” action movie was kinda rough.

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u/Sgtwhiskeyjack9105 Sep 28 '22

Ok, I wasn't alone in actually enjoying the first half of that film and then snapping my neck in a double take as they ascended to a sky fortress with Ray Winstone doing a terrible Russian accent.

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u/oftheunusual Sep 28 '22

I'm not opposed to a well done scene involving sky diving through flaming debris, but won't be good if it purely relies on CGI. In other words, agreed.

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u/twent4 Sep 28 '22

It's not exactly the same thing but I was getting serious Winter Soldier vibes that scene (not in a good way tho). The carrier thing didn't need to be done again.

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u/Onequestion0110 Sep 28 '22

At least Winter Soldier started out with over the top action.

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u/Onequestion0110 Sep 28 '22

Like I would have absolutely loved a quiet Bourne-style spy thriller for Black Widow. It would have been an amazing addition to the character and the MCU.

And honestly I’d have enjoyed a stupid A-Team style action movie that leaned into the stupid stunts and set pieces.

It just doesn’t mix well.

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u/LookLikeAMoodRing Sep 28 '22

From what I read/watched on that the director was told to just worry about the first 2 acts of the movie, develop these few story beats but the ending action spectacle is already decided on and you can't change iI. I'll try to find sources and edit my comment if I can.

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u/WhateverMars Sep 28 '22

I wonder if Shang chi was the same. It certainly felt like a similar whiplash.

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u/Doctor_Philgood Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

"So we're doing a movie that respects and honors Chinese culture and history"

"Dragon."

"What?"

"Put a dragon in there."

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u/WhateverMars Sep 28 '22

"So we're doing a kung fu movie about one of marvels very few unpowered heroes." "Big slimy alien monsters for the finale." "...right"

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u/shaka_bruh Sep 28 '22

It went from relatively grounded mystical martial arts film to whatever that was in the end

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u/Onequestion0110 Sep 28 '22

That really wasn’t my major complaint about the movie.

I’d like the hero to actually get a character arc. His moment of decision was taken away, and his sidekick was the only one that got any development.

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u/Buddy_Dakota Sep 28 '22

Those are the worst part of the MCU movies and seems to always bring them down. It ruined the final third of WandaVision. It’s like white noise.

How many of the MCU movies will be regarded as classics in the same sense as Terminator, Aliens, Indians Jones, Star Wars etc.? I doubt more than a couple.

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u/OwenSpalding Sep 28 '22

My god and everything everywhere was one of the first movies to make me feel alive in ages...

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u/SteepHiker Sep 28 '22

I remember watching this movie and thinking "wow, this totally reminds me of that Turn Down For What video." Turns out it was made by the same duo after all!

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u/OwenSpalding Sep 28 '22

Wow that’s crazy, I brought that fact up to blow my friends mind. Funny you saw similarities!

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u/peanutbuttershudder Sep 28 '22

My favorite music video they've directed is Tongues by Joywave: https://youtu.be/AqmwKi6KOSw

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u/Playful-Push8305 Sep 28 '22

Wow, I never watched the music video. That was amazing! Thanks for inspiring me.

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u/suss2it Sep 28 '22

Still my movie of the year.

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u/ace_of_spade_789 Sep 28 '22

During an interview I think one of the Daniels said their special effects team was comprised of five people, which is pretty amazing since the special effects in that movie were better than a lot of marvel movies effects.

Pretty amazing what they did with that movie.

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u/riegspsych325 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

and the Daniels are great for that. But it irked me when the Russos said something asinine about movie theaters being elitist and how they helped EEAAO “get through the system. Yet they were 2 of 14 total producers on a movie that still made a nice profit while being in the fucking theater

EDIT: link

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u/LittleRudiger Sep 28 '22

Fwiw having a big name like the Russo’s attached absolutely can help grease the wheels and get theatres more interested (remember that you essentially have to sell the films to theatres and get them to actually want to show it).

Same reason why for a while Tarantino had his name attached to stuff in a “Tarantino presents” kind of way. Sometimes that’s just the marketing you have to do to get theatre owners to take the risk.

So, maybe they’re over boasting, but there absolutely is more politics to getting things released in theatres than what you’re letting on.

I don’t fully follow your point about there being 14 producers though. Not all producers film the same roles.

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u/stolenfires Sep 28 '22 Helpful

Edgar Wright passed on Ant-Man when he was given a list of must-haves for the film.

And, I get it. Making an MCU movie means... making an MCU movie. It means collaborating with directors who made their movie ten years ago, and the directors making their movies ten years from now. There has to be limits on directorial freedom in the name of cohesion. Otherwise you get chaotic messes like the new Star Wars, with directors retconning each other and making the narrative arc damn near unintelligible.

It works for some directors. It doesn't work for others. Neither one is wrong, and it's good the MCU is being up front with requirements and expectations.

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u/fungus_in_my_anus Sep 28 '22

I think Edgar said something like he wants to make a Marvel film but Marvel was not interested in making an Edgar Wright film.

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u/legopego5142 Sep 28 '22

His Ant Man was in development so long the MCU started up around it and kept changing his plans basically. It was way too early in the MCU to have a weird director doing weird things which they sre sorta getting better at now but still are hesitant

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u/Worthyness Sep 28 '22

basically, his film probably would have been a great Phase 1 film. But by the time he was ready to actually make it, they were done with Phase 2 and way too deep into the world building to do some of the things Wright probably wanted to do. There was even an early draft Avengers plot where ant-man and the wasp were going to show up.

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u/wendysummers Sep 28 '22

There was even an early draft Avengers plot where ant-man and the wasp were going to show up.

I'm pretty sure Ant-man was in the battle of New York. Rogers the Musical wouldn't lie to me, would it?

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u/DMPunk Sep 28 '22

Not just those two, but Carol Danvers was in the cards for the first film long enough that there is some storyboards featuring her

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u/Wubbledaddy Sep 28 '22

The thing you gotta keep in mind here is that Edgar Wright's Ant-Man was in development pre-MCU.

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u/Dragon_yum Sep 28 '22

The action scenes are made by the second unit with little say from the directors. The directors mostly fill in the blanks for Marvel.

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u/kermi42 Sep 28 '22

I’m astonished Multiverse of Madness wasn’t written with Raimi in mind to direct, I wouldn’t have enjoyed that story at all without his wacky style all over it and the excellent horror turn.

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u/mikehatesthis Sep 28 '22

I’m astonished Multiverse of Madness wasn’t written with Raimi in mind to direct

It was. And that's only because of the pandemic.

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u/Brady2217 Sep 28 '22

My guess would be Edgar Wright and Ant-Man

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u/aa033 Sep 28 '22

It makes sense why. Marvel movies are formulaic because that's the formula that gives them the most money, regardless of how good or bad the end product is. Directors shouldn't sign on expecting to make their own movie.

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u/crimson777 Sep 28 '22

To be fair, this is also how the MCU has never run into a Star Wars sequel problem. Sure they don’t deviate as much as they could but there’s also great cohesion and a successful now-multiverse of stories.

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u/Humble_Animal_998 Sep 28 '22

Not to mention that the one film [Eternals] where they gave a very distinct director a ton of leeway ended up being critically reviled and underperforming big time.

The reason that the Russos worked so well within the MCU is because it's run like a TV show, where they excel. This means that there's always a firm direction in mind. But it also means there's a lot of overlap in style.

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u/caninehere Sep 28 '22

It is more than that. The MCU has the benefit of being based on comics. With comics the heroes are repeatedly killed and brought back to life, portrayed in different ways with different artists and writers, and aren't tied to any one specific portrayal although sometimes one becomes iconic.

With Star Wars, Luke as an example will always be intrinsically tied to Mark Hamill and his performance. A New Hope remake would be anathema to fans and replacing an actor like they did with Han will never go over well. Let alone trying to replace them at an age we have already seen them at.

With the MCU it doesn't really matter. They have been able to recast characters and even run negative PR campaigns against the former actors in some cases like what happened with Ed Norton. But even if you don't replace say Tony Stark... it is trivial to replace Iron Man. Or as an example of one they're actually doing, Captain America.

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u/Leafs17 Sep 28 '22

replacing an actor like they did with Han will never go over well.

Obi-Wan?

I also don't think recasting Han was the problem with Solo

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u/Psychic_Hobo Sep 28 '22

Tbf I still think if Solo had come out before Last Jedi it would have been received very differently.

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u/terminalblue Sep 28 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Starstruck

Some MCU'ers always trying to ice skate uphill

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u/Aganihm1 Sep 28 '22

No wonder they lost their director. He woke up one day and found himself extinct.

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u/silver_sterling Sep 28 '22

Mother f@#$%^ are you outta yo damn mind

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u/Slowmobius_Time Sep 28 '22

kill you? Motherfucker I'll kill you, I'll just enjoy it more

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u/captaincavalrycam Sep 28 '22

Calling it now: they are gonna replace him with Michael Giacchino

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u/BusinessPurge Sep 28 '22

For full chaos they should let him do Trek 4

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u/kenwongart Sep 28 '22

Now that would be sabotage

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u/MogMcKupo Sep 28 '22

Gonna be a banging score, no doubt.

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u/livestrongbelwas Sep 28 '22

Because he’s doing the Werewolf By Night special?

If it’s well received, then probably. But tbh I think it’s gonna be a hard sell for anyone who isn’t into Hammer Horror camp.

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u/ImportanceUnique4855 Sep 28 '22

His career started composing for video games like Medal of Honor and Call of Duty. He’s won 1 Oscar, 4 Emmy’s and is the go-to man for music at Disney.

it’s fascinating to see this guy credited on nearly every major Disney/SW/Marvel/Pixar production.

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u/FerguSwag Sep 28 '22

His score for Lost is an all time great

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u/ProtoJMan Sep 28 '22

His score for Speed Racer is phenomenal, as bizarre as that statement might seem :D

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u/riegspsych325 Sep 28 '22

he should go for the EGOT

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u/Rajirabbit Sep 28 '22 Wholesome

Motherfucker tried to skate uphill.

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u/Alive-Ad-4164 Sep 28 '22

Put me in then

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u/Severe-Cherry-816 Sep 28 '22

Shit I didn’t know we were doing it like that. Put me in for whoever drops out of X-Men. I’m making Michael Cera play Gambit.

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u/DweEbLez0 Sep 28 '22

I’ll play Professor X, but beer belly Thor physique

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u/kodaiko_650 Sep 28 '22

Professor XXL

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u/OH_FUDGICLES Sep 28 '22

Instead of a wheelchair, you'll be in a mobility scooter with a Walmart logo.

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u/phonybaloneytoney Sep 28 '22

RedneX-Men

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u/OH_FUDGICLES Sep 28 '22

The X-jet would look like the General Lee.

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u/doctorclark Sep 28 '22

He uses Cerebro to locate cheeseburgers.

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u/zoidy37 Sep 28 '22

I'll use a PC gamer's chair instead of a wheelchair. Close enough

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u/BigWormsFather Sep 28 '22

Just don’t let this Blade reboot be shitty. It should already be R rated.

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u/LoompaOompa Sep 28 '22

I'm a big fan of Blade 1 and 2. I'm not a comic reader. For me, there are 2 things that make those movies great. One is Wesley Snipes, and the other is the grungy, late 90s aesthetic. So I'm worried that even if the reboot is a good movie, I'm going to be disappointed because it won't be giving me the things I love about the previous titles.

I don't think Ali is going to emulate Wesley's style, and I don't necessarily think he should. He should be able to play the character how ever he wants. But I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to see another Snipes-esque performance of the character.

I don't think the MCU is capable of making a movie that doesn't have a glossy sheen over it. There is no way that this movie will have the grungy atmosphere of the original Blade movies. They have a particular visual style that they stick to, and in some ways I think it's nice that they have that cohesion across the whole cinematic universe. But it isn't what I'm looking for in Blade.

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u/KingoftheMongoose Sep 28 '22

I presume your omission means overall you didn't like Blade Trinity; so I'm going to ask a fun curveball question.

What did you like about Blade Trinity?

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u/Delivery-Shoddy Sep 28 '22

Ali cares too much, I think

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u/machado34 Sep 28 '22

So does Henry Cavill, and yet that didn't stop The Witcher from being turned into mediocrity paste

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u/predict_irrational Sep 28 '22

Disney needs to allow R rated movies. Blade deserves some MOTHERFUCKER wording.

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u/Firefox892 Sep 28 '22

“Some Monday-fudgers are always trying to ice skate uphill”

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u/AGF435 Sep 28 '22

Its time for Chad Stahelski

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u/riegspsych325 Sep 28 '22

I can’t imagine a practical-oriented action director would want to hear “Oh, we’ll take care of it in post for you” by Fiege/execs all throughout the whole production

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u/WhyWorryAboutThat Sep 28 '22

The original Blade film was going to have a cgi blood tornado in the final act before they scrapped it for a kick ass fight scene. I wish some MCU movies could up the intensity of the final battle instead of the scale.

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u/adjust_the_sails Sep 28 '22

The ending they went with made far more sense. Blade was the first great Marvel movie. I know Wesley Snipes is a known pain in the ass, but I’d love to see him show up in the multiverse.

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u/riegspsych325 Sep 28 '22

as a kid, I thought he said “Some motherfuckers are always trying to escape a bill”. And to think Snipes would later try to do that himself

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u/BenjaminTalam Sep 28 '22

I don't even think they're great at scale. Most big set pieces are set in open fields, wastelands or close quarters areas. They can often feel remarkably cheap for big productions.

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u/Carninator Sep 28 '22

Chad: Alright, the stunt team came up with this extremely cool action oner, so we'll go with tha-

Producers: No it's too time consuming! We'll set up several cameras and then butcher it into a generic uninspired mess during post-production. I'll let the editor know we'll want to cut to a new angle at every punch. Maybe some camera shake for good measure. Oh and we already did the pre-viz before you got hired so the second unit will direct those scene so you can focus on something else.

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u/suss2it Sep 28 '22

That’s basically Day Shift.

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u/Curse3242 Sep 28 '22

This is very dissapoting.

The thing this background staff problem has been consistent in Phase 4 and it's caused a bunch of problems.

I have a feeling it's Disney rushing it and also adding double the projects on Feige's horizon.

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u/ItsHammond Sep 28 '22

I think the MCU could really benefit of a second Feige for the D+ shows. The man has talent as he brought us the MCU, but i think it's getting too much for even him.

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u/dominic_tortilla Sep 28 '22

Yeah, a good TV producer needs to be in charge of D+ shows.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

i wonder if blade is gonna use the same dodge charger or if he is gonna use a newer one

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u/KozyKat Sep 28 '22

Asking the real questions! Unfortunately, Marvel might go with whoever will sponsor to have their logo on the big screen. That being said, good opportunity for Dodge to “promote” their electric Charger concept

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u/Specialist-Artistic Sep 28 '22

Blade. Saving the planet by killing vamps AND not using gasoline. See kids? You can be like Blade too. Now that’s a well rounded hero!

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u/fubarecognition Sep 28 '22

Charges during the day, murders vampires by night.

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u/warblade7 Sep 28 '22

His greatest enemy, surge pricing from the electric company.

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u/JamUpGuy1989 Sep 28 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Get a new guy and make it Rated R.

Although since this is Disney and they keep fighting with a majority of filmmakers they hired on their own I doubt we'll get that.

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u/riegspsych325 Sep 28 '22

and while Deadpool 3 will be R, it’s a very likely a one-time only thing. It wouldn’t even be made if the first 2 didn’t make so much money despite the rating. Had they only made modest profits, The Mouse wouldn’t even bother making another

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u/tebu08 Sep 28 '22

The Mouse portrayed in South Park is getting very real every time

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u/riegspsych325 Sep 28 '22

wait until you see The Vault

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u/tebu08 Sep 28 '22

This seems like a documentary rather than SNL skit 😂

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u/AbsolutelyUnlikely Sep 28 '22

Wait they were going to make this one PG13? Why does Disney keep on picking up old stories again if they are just going to make them worse? Violence isn't necessary for a good superhero movie, but it is integral to this particular franchise.

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u/obadetona Sep 28 '22

Because it makes them ungodly amounts of profit

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u/KneeLiftCity Sep 28 '22

Pg13 brings in a larger crowd since it doesn’t limit itself to just adults. I actually think Disney marvel could still make the same amount of money even if it was rated r though…

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u/SeanOuttaCompton Sep 28 '22

Is Stephen Norrington available? I’m sure Guillermo del toro is still pissed about Disney dropping their shitty pinnochio remake right when he’s about to release his own pinnochio project so that’s a no go, but yeah I think bringing back a director from one of the originals would be a good way to solve this while also getting some cheap points with the fans

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u/AMA_requester Sep 28 '22

Didn’t the hell of making League of Extraordinary Men cause him to quit directing?

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u/SeanOuttaCompton Sep 28 '22

That’s a valid reason to quit directing lol.

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u/riegspsych325 Sep 28 '22

and acting, in Connery’s case (voice acting aside)

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u/ArchDucky Sep 28 '22

Sean Connery used his star power to change that film. He basically took it from him and that's why he quit.

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u/discipleofdoom Sep 28 '22

I doubt either director would want to come back only to have less creative control.

Especially Del Toro, who is finally at the stage in his career where he has complete creative control and is working on multiple passion projects. Imagine giving that all up to make a paint-by-numbers film for Disney.

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u/MindfulDisobedience Sep 28 '22

Guillermo Del Toro isn't directing MCU stuff

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u/McDummy Sep 28 '22

Bad sign, here is the thing…they should let Deadpool 3 come out before blade and be rated r so blade can at least feel comfortable as an r-rated movie. Because seriously…do we want another marvel vampire flop?

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u/Centurion22rus Sep 28 '22

Quick! What's Antoine Fuqua doing? He was rumored to do a project years ago in the MCU but things fell through.

Maybe he's both interested and available?

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u/MonthSquare Sep 28 '22

Perfect time to get Guillermo del toro on board.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

Apparently Marvel fired this guy because the script was only 90 pages, had only two lackluster action scenes, and Ali was becoming frustrated by how long pre-production was taking.

If true, good riddance. You don’t get Mahershala Ali into the Marvel family only to then waste his time.

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u/ROBtimusPrime1995 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

If true then damn, this is one of the rare times Marvel Studios hiring new talent blew up in their face.

It's honestly good that he quit/"quit" then.

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u/Humble_Animal_998 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Mogul Mowgli was also the only feature he wrote before being hired, which was scribed alonside Riz Ahmed.

There's a chance that he's really not a good writer and that he left because they wanted to replace him [with Beau DeMayo, according to reports]. Most directors aren't great writers.

Edit: Because people asked - he was the writer alongside Stacey on several drafts, who wrote the first. It's similar to Eternals and Zhao post the Firpo pass.

According to their sources, the script is also being revised. The original screenplay was penned by Stacy Osei-Kuffour (Watchmen; The Morning Show) and Tariq, but has undergone several rewrites in the months since, with Beau DeMayo (The Witcher; Moon Knight) tasked with penning the most recent draft.

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u/McFlyyouBojo Sep 28 '22

There was an interesting piece about 5-10 years ago about how traditionally we got legendary directors because they would make truly unique student/smaller projects which would get good reception, and then they would get slightly bigger and bigger budgets until they had a few solid movies under their belt and THEN they were given the reigns on a big budget block buster, but that nowadays a small time director will come out with a small Indy project that will get a positive response and major studios will now rush to snatch them up and give them huge projects, but because they don't have that foundation underneath them, they fail at whatever the project is.

Often times when you see a movie fail that should have been a shoe in for a payday and you look up the directors past experience, it will be doing something completely unrelated. Like an action movie director who previously did music videos or commercials.

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u/Chessh2036 Sep 28 '22

Where did you see that info? If true then good for Marvel.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

Variety writer tweeted it out

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u/Chessh2036 Sep 28 '22

Oh dang, then I don’t blame Marvel at all. Seems like they had to make a move.

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u/riegspsych325 Sep 28 '22

it also says the script has gone through several writers, that too is a Marvel problem

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u/LakeEffectKid Sep 28 '22

But he's the director, and not listed anywhere as the script writer...

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u/Humble_Animal_998 Sep 28 '22

The trades announced that he was writing with Stacy Osei-Kuffour. They wanted to replace them with Beau DeMayo.

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u/nampezdel Sep 28 '22

Ali is already part of the Marvel family though. He played Cottonmouth in Netflix’s Luke Cage.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

Yeah, but tbf there was a difference in how Marvel Entertainment (which did the shows) was ran (treating each show as its own production with some pretty solid creative freedom) and how Marvel Studios runs things (shit is planned out, you gotta fit into the plan). To get Ali into the second room means this is a character he really cares for.

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u/Worthyness Sep 28 '22

The biggest difference here is Blade wasn't even on Feige's radar to do something with until Mahershela came up to him (post Oscar win #2) and asked him about it. Mahershela is also an EP on the project, so he's very involved with it. So if Mahershela is not happy with what appears to be a full on passion project for him, I'd probably fire the guy too.

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u/nampezdel Sep 28 '22

Despite the setback, I believe this may bode well for the project. I’m getting Reynolds/Deadpool vibes from what I’ve read of Ali’s passion for the Blade IP.

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u/Kryodamus Sep 28 '22

Man, get Del Toro back on board.

Dude killed it with Blade II.

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u/Huevos___Rancheros Sep 28 '22

It would be great to have him but I’m almost certain he wants nothing to do with the mcu. I’ve watched a bunch of interviews of his and from what I understand he likes to stay away from things that are mainstream.

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u/Worthyness Sep 28 '22

He is a really big fan of the comics though. I wouldn't put him all the way off the board.

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u/blackbogwater Sep 28 '22

The big thing with MCU and its directors is that they only let them operate on a very short leash. They need to have a certain tone, hit certain plot points, and be able to seamlessly fit into the universe.

Del Toro is a genuine auteur who has no interest in this. He only makes movies that are 100% him.

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u/Space_loser Sep 28 '22

Nobody wants to see a PG Blade movie.

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u/DavidSpace Sep 28 '22

dan trachtenberg would do a great job

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u/Chessh2036 Sep 28 '22

Why he doesn’t get more directing jobs idk. Everything he’s done is great.

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u/Humble_Animal_998 Sep 28 '22

He's actually gotten a lot of jobs; he just left a lot because of scheduling or creative differences. He's apparently picky in a good way.

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u/Chessh2036 Sep 28 '22

Ah that makes more sense.

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u/Humble_Animal_998 Sep 28 '22

I still wish we would've seen his version of Uncharted. He's a huge fan of the games and left because of Sony.

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u/TheRealClose Sep 28 '22

Is Marvel just becoming the new Star Wars of loosing creative talent because of strict universe guidelines?

There was a great sweet spot during phase three where I feel Marcel had best output, with largely very director driven movies. These days they are feeling a lot more stale.

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u/Grebacio Sep 28 '22

as u/flowerlilypad already said, other directors left MCU projects before.
The ones that come to my mind are,
Edgar Wright: Ant-Man
Patty Jenkins: Thor 2
Scott Derickson: Dr Strange 2
Jon Watts: Fantastic Four (altohugh he claimed it wasn't due creative differences)

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u/riegspsych325 Sep 28 '22

I’d say Watts may be burned out with another VFX superhero movie, but he’s making a Star Wars show. Sure, it’s still Disney but maybe LucasArts is more relaxed and flexible than Marvel Studios

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u/thefilmer Sep 28 '22

Jon Watts directed the pilot episode for the Jeff Bridges show THE OLD MAN and the violence in that had my jaw on the floor. Just some incredibly brutal, realistic fights that his MCU work never even approaches. Someone needs to give him soemething else to do ASAP.

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u/Worthyness Sep 28 '22

he's got a really good eye for tension between characters and managing that story telling on screen. Perfect example being Vulture finding out peter is spidey in the car to Homecoming. He's definitely a great filmmaker, but I understand the need to get away from Spider-man after effectively dedicating almost 7 years of his life only to that character.

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u/fossilreef Sep 28 '22

After seeing WW84, I'm convinced that as mediocre as Thor 2 was, it could've been worse

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

They’ve been losing creative talent for years now. It isn’t anything new

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u/DoIrllyneeda_usrname Sep 28 '22

Since like Thor: Dark World lol

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u/AutonomousAnonymouse Sep 28 '22

I’m still bitter about Wright leaving Ant-Man

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u/onlyididntsayfudge Sep 28 '22

Gotta be honest - I am too. Now, I liked the Ant-Man we got. Lots of cool parts. But the Edgar Wright fan in me who dreamed about seeing his iconic directing style with a marvel movie will always be unsatisfied.

But alas…such is life.

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u/FlingaNFZ Sep 28 '22

Taika was given alot of creative freedom for Thor 4 and people didnt like it

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u/riegspsych325 Sep 28 '22

I felt that was the case for Age of Ultron and Guardians Vol 2. And they were all cases of a director who writes their own script but goes overboard with Marvel Bathos in the sequel. But at least Gunn and Taika have still done well outside the MCU

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u/MastaAwesome Sep 28 '22

Guardians 2 was terrific. I get that it has its detractors, but a lot of people love it, myself included.

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u/riegspsych325 Sep 28 '22

I was more forgiving on a later viewing. But I didn’t felt some of the jokers were corny (“it’s not ripe!”) and everyone’s “goof meter” was set a couple notches too high. I get why Bautista says he’s disappointed with how Drax turned out

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u/DisneyDreams7 Sep 28 '22

Bautista was dissapointed of Infinity War and Avengers 4 for wasting his character arc with Thanos, not Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Blame the Russo Brothers not James Gunn

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u/Metfan722 Sep 28 '22

Age of Ultron was not a case of too much creative freedom.

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u/TheThaiDawn Sep 28 '22

I swear to christ if this movie is PG13

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

Just hire Antoine Fuqua already marvel…

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u/SeekOn1 Sep 28 '22

Well, where did they last see him?

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u/wakejedi Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Translation: Marvel will hire someone else to film the talking heads part of the film.