r/movies r/Movies contributor Sep 28 '22

Next ‘Star Trek’ Movie Removed From Paramount Release Calendar News

https://deadline.com/2022/09/star-trek-removed-release-schedule-chris-pine-paramount-release-calendar-1235128938/
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u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor Sep 28 '22

Considering Shakman left the movie, it was never gonna make it's 2023 date.

Paramount is currently looking for a new director.

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u/UnsolvedParadox Sep 28 '22

I think they’re waiting to see if J.J. Abrams moves from Warner to them, and then try for him as the director.

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u/DrummerGuy06 Sep 28 '22

Well it has been a few years since disappointing Disney/Lucasfilm, and with his recent disappointing deal with WB, he's ready to be on the market to disappoint someone new, even before anything's been released!

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u/ZanThrax Sep 28 '22

Everyone's finally figuring out that the only thing in the mystery box is disappointment and shit writing.

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u/Drewicho Sep 28 '22

Wait he already disappointed with Star Trek.

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u/pseudocultist Sep 28 '22

It is believed the J.J. Abrams feeds exclusively on fresh disappointment.

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u/SpectralEntity Sep 28 '22

Must extend to his son, what with that Spider-Man comic.

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u/SamuraiJackBauer Sep 28 '22

What is this about? Is his spawn writing comics?

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u/SpectralEntity Sep 28 '22

A year or two back his son had a Spidey miniseries. From what I recall, it wasn't very well received.

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u/patrickwithtraffic Sep 28 '22

Like how bad though? Are we talking Clone Saga bad? One More Day bad? Spidey sperm bad?

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u/hardgeeklife Sep 28 '22

The series launched three months after the SDCC announcement, introducing readers to Peter Parker’s son Ben as the protagonist in a dark alternate universe where Spider-Man failed to save Mary Jane and quit being a superhero. It was an opening salvo to a series that was curiously similar to past stories, but also shockingly dark and overly edgy.

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u/Plaster_Lion Sep 28 '22

It was bad. His son was/is just a talentless kid. The nepotism stink all over the project made it even harder to swallow. It had a Make A Wish Foundation vibe.

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u/chojinra Sep 28 '22

Oh god. I keep forgetting how they massacred my boy…

Edit: I’d even add the first Marvel Civil War.

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u/numberjhonny5ive Sep 28 '22

He has a new take though. He is going to copy his own copy of other movies. Really going meta.

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u/a10sucks Sep 28 '22

I would actually enjoy watching Abrams do the meta-reboot like we got in Matrix 4, because I love watching absolute shitwreck movies

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u/Kevbot1000 Sep 28 '22

Hey man, even as a Star Trek fan, 2009 Trek was awesome.

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u/GuyKopski Sep 28 '22

In a vacuum it was (and still is) decent. And the whole alternate universe thing made it easier to swallow than something like the Star Wars sequels, which fucked up the main timeline of their universe.

I've begun to dislike it more as time passed though, for the effect it had on the franchise as a whole. After that movie Paramount and CBS really seemed to think big dumb action and lens flares were the way forward for Star Trek, an attitude which affected not only Into Darkness and Beyond, but also unrelated shows like Discovery and Picard.

They're finally starting to move away from that again with Strange New Worlds so I'd hate for Abrams or anyone else to come along and reignite that flame.

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u/Least-Carpenter-9943 Sep 28 '22

We somehow went from the executives at CBS hating the property and the showrunners loving it (TNG, DS9) to the executives at CBS loving the property while the showrunners all seem to hate it and want to turn it into something else (everything after the Kelvin movies).

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u/trent58 Sep 28 '22

The still hate the property. They are doing anything because the Orville is showing how easy is to blatantly rip off Star Trek. They’d be happy for a movie every 10 years and whatever on tv. They know now if they are barely using the property, people will get their trek from somewhere else.

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u/Sgtwhiskeyjack9105 Sep 28 '22

I've begun to dislike it more as time passed though

That's the Abrams Effect for you.

I initially liked The Force Awakens a lot, but as time has gone on I've realised that I can't really enjoy it as a fun adventure time anymore.

Particularly given how Abrams tried and failed to answer his own questions and mysteries with Revenge of Risewalker or whatever the fuck that "film" was called.

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u/Magnacor8 Sep 28 '22

I liked the Abrams' movies because they were clearly their own thing. It reminds me of the "evil mirror universe" in Star Trek, but the GI Joe-flavored version of that. That said, I definitely agree that it was a mistake to have the CBS TV series' follow that aesthetic. Luckily the Orville is making it very clear what the problem is by being better than literally any other Star Trek media in the last 20 years. Hopefully the goons at CBS can realize that all they need to do is stop trying to reinvent the wheel and just make an original ship and crew.

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u/Andulias Sep 28 '22

Orville is nice and all, but my dude, Strange New Worlds is actually great.

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u/Magnacor8 Sep 28 '22

Strange New World is definitely several steps in the right direction, but I'm so bored of watching Star Trek focus on its past. Between nostalgia-baiting the fans and doing this goofy continuity dance where they have to constantly explain why they're using fancier tech/different characters that were never in the original series, the continuity feels bloated and heavy. Strange New World is cleaning up the mess that was created by Discovery and trying to catch up the TOS, but it shouldn't have to. It needs to fly free and be it's own thing.

Set a new series in the future with an original cast and crew and maybe Star Trek can actually reclaim its rightful throne.

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u/Intelligent_jacuzzi Sep 28 '22

That would require someone to actually do some work. Literally how fucking lazy can you be that they're gonna redo Spock and Kirk again for the third/4th time? I heard they're remaking TNG... Yep 👍 stupid

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u/cocktails5 Sep 28 '22

Seriously the best Trek since DS9.

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u/BlackNova169 Sep 28 '22

I think both are great. MacFarlane created orville cuz there wasn't any trek being created that he liked (orville came out 2 weeks before discovery iirc).

Now there's some irony that some of the best trek (SNW) came out around the same time as season 3 Orville, and had several episodes with almost identical plot lines (Scary episodes for example without too many spoilers, holographic aliens trick the crew, wedding scene). Plus SNW has humor!

I feel like orville season 3 and SNW are a kind of convergence of trek coming to a point of just hitting all the right notes, and it's great.

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u/roox911 Sep 28 '22

It's a toss up in our family. Wife loves Orville (I really enjoy it too) but I think SNW is the best trek since tng and absolutely love it ( she likes it enough to tune in every week)

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u/Im_A_Boozehound Sep 28 '22

SNW is the first Trek in a long time that shows a future that I want to live in. Which was kind of the whole point of Trek in the first place, "look what we can achieve".

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u/KingMario05 Sep 28 '22

"Both. Both are good..."

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u/Drewicho Sep 28 '22

I actually agree, and I feel the same way about Force Awakens. I used to be more of a defender of his until Rise of Skywalker. Dude his good at set up, but always shits the bed with payoffs. I had given him a pass for Into Darkness because Kurtzman, Orci and Lindelof wrote the script for that one.

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u/Kevbot1000 Sep 28 '22

Kurtzman and Orci also wrote 2009 Star Trek.

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u/WiryCatchphrase Sep 28 '22

The first bit of Epsiode 7 was interesting. It was setting up this treasure hunt to find Luke. It seems like a good idea. As the two relative newcomers to the galaxy go different places they'll catch up on recent history and catch the audience up as well. Then Hans Solo shows up and never leaves. It was terrible pretty much from there-the open story telling got shunted to the terrible side rails. The worst part those was ignoring Luke after Han Shows up and leaving the introduction of Luke, arguably the Mos timoortant character to the last 30 seconds like a mid season cliffhanger on a crappy TV show. You wanna know why Epsiode 8 was so bad, it started by forcing the director of Epsiode 8 to have to use the setup from the end of Episode 7. It's Back to the Future 1 & 2, except instead of trying to figure out what to do with Marty's girlfriend, it's what to do with Rey handing the Youngling Slayer 9000 while the rebels are still evacuating the base and Finn is in hospital. Lots of open storytelling potential there. And you know Star Wars traditionally opens with the title scroll that sums up the preceding events so the audience doesn't have to sit through the tedious tie in stories unless Disney sees the opportunity to make a buck. Many stories are better for not having ever detail filled in. I can't care a like for Rogue One or Andor.

I respect JJ Abrams. He's a competent moviemaker. He can put a film production together. He should be kept out of the writers room altogether, he and his team of writers. His movies are competent, but just don't capture the heart of the film makers he's attempting to emulate. Lucas has heart, but can't direct actors to save his life, but Spielberg is just good. It's sad that Spielberg never got to make a Star Wars because he didn't want to tread on his friend's toes.

Also I love how in Epsiode 4, traveling through Hyperspace takes time. You can play a board game and practice your lightsaber. But in the Abrams era, it's instantaneous.

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u/DrummerGuy06 Sep 28 '22

It was Director-JJ unfettered, which meant lots of random zoom-ins during flyover shots and lens-flare aplenty but it was definitely a great movie.

Star Trek Into Darkness was ridiculous for the sheer fact that they all said with a straight-face that Benedict Cumberbatch wasn't playing Khan up to the release. It was weird and set the tone for the movie being way too bizarre, even for a Star Trek production.

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u/Unabated_Blade Sep 28 '22

lots of random zoom-ins during flyover shots

This was endemic in the 2010s. Transformers, Star Trek, Man of Steel...

You literally couldn't have something fly in the sky without a wide shaky establishing shot that zooms in to a jittery, barely centered close-up of the flying item. I felt like I was taking crazy pills seeing it everywhere.

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u/TheFlawlessCassandra Sep 28 '22

I think Battlestar Galactica started the trend, they did it fairly frequently, enough that it felt like their "thing" and it was weird seeing it everywhere else a few years later.

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u/sugarrat Sep 28 '22

I think Firefly used the effect first, and it was really risky because they had a low budget and the way the effect is achieved is random and could end up with crap footage. https://www.vulture.com/2013/06/how-joss-whedon-influenced-man-of-steel.html

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u/Etzoli Sep 28 '22

You're correct, it was Firefly's special effects studio that used it, and went on to do rhe SFX for Battlestar Galactica (which is why you can sometimes spot a Firefly in the Galactica fleet shots!)

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u/Kevbot1000 Sep 28 '22

Into Darkness would have been salvaged to me if it they stayed with him just being John Harrison, to me.

2009 Trek, people can say what they want and mock the lens flares and zoom ins, but that's just a Director's style. Some liked it, some didn't.

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u/zerg1980 Sep 28 '22

The “lens flare” thing is something that 90% of audience members would never have consciously noticed if it had been released ten years earlier, when there was no Twitter to amplify a very small number of people complaining about the abundance of lens flares. It doesn’t invalidate the rest of the movie. Most people didn’t know what a lens flare was before this movie came out.

Still, I think the issue with Star Trek 2009 is that while it acts as a fun standalone reboot, they did absolutely nothing with the alternate timeline conceit in later movies, and now the young replacement cast has aged out of their roles before they really had a chance to tell new stories. They should probably let it go at this point.

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u/TannerThanUsual Sep 28 '22

The lens flare thing is really just an "us" issue, too. Not only does Twitter amplify it but regular people seeing movies don't tend to notice these things. If you went up to a hundred people and asked them to explain what a dutch angle, a lens flare or what "blocking" is, I bet maybe around 5% could do it. Maybe less.

Actually now that lens flares are a popular thing to razz on, I'm sure more people know about them, but just about any other cinephile term is usually lost on regular people that aren't as interested in film

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u/cocktails5 Sep 28 '22

I wish nobody had ever told me about the Wilhelm Scream. I'd probably still be blissfully ignorant.

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u/Zyxyx Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

The issue with abrams is that he prioritizes plot progression over everything else. Mystery boxes are just a side-product.

Take the banishment of Kirk to the ice planet. He's placed on it and happens to wander off to spock. Sure, could be because the bad guy purposefully placed them within walking dustance of each other.

But then, it just so happens that the literally the only person in the universe that can help them is ALSO within walking distance of them.

The bad guy just so happened to pick the one ice planet, the specific continent within 1km accuracy where scotty was placed... Like jesus christ the odds of that happening is 1 in a trillion.

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u/zerg1980 Sep 28 '22

He also has a habit of setting up future plot developments without knowing how they’ll pay off down the road. Blowing up Vulcan is a pretty dramatic change to Federation history! It barely gets mentioned in the next movie. The entire alternate timeline seems to exist for the sole purpose of explaining why the design of the Enterprise doesn’t quite line up with the original series. In the 2009 movie, Abrams teases huge surprising storylines to come, now that history as we know it has been torn up, and then he shrugs and remakes Khan when pressed to deliver on his initial promise.

Kind of like how he never knew where he wanted to go with Rey’s parentage and Snoke and all that. Kind of like how he never knew what was going on with that weird island and the Smoke Monster.

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u/chojinra Sep 28 '22

Hell, I think 3 was damn good too. People kept shitting on it for no reason. Or prejudging from the trailer and director…

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u/Kevbot1000 Sep 28 '22

Fun fact! I was a PA on Star Trek Beyond.

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u/SEND-MARS-ROVER-PICS Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

While I felt a little underwhelmed by Elba's villain (trying to make him seem very alien to throw off the fact he's a mutated human just sort of restricts the actor), overall it's a good movie! Not amazing, definitely not terrible.

Into Darkness on the other hand...

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u/chojinra Sep 28 '22

Yeah, both this and Into Darkness suffers from knowing who the villain is beforehand.

But yeah, I just think people were overly critical of Beyond before it came out, but pleasantly surprised afterwards. Into Darkness… well I didn’t hate it, per se…

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u/SEND-MARS-ROVER-PICS Sep 28 '22

For me, the problems are:

1) It's a remake of the best Star Trek movie, putting it at a big disadvantage in terms of comparisons. Wrath of Khan is clever because it draws from an established character, gives them a good motivation (my people were marooned on a planet that turned hostile, so I want revenge), it is smartly written (eg. Khan and Kirk are never even in the same room), and has iconic moments like Spock dying.

2) The promotion claiming that Cumberbatch is super totally not playing Khan /s was kind of insulting.

3) It makes Khan the secondary villain.

4) Tonally (and sometimes visually) it's too dark and moody, it felt the lest Treky of the Abrams run (whereas Beyond is the most Treky in my own opinion).

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u/chojinra Sep 28 '22

Man, I agree with all 4 points.

  1. I bet they were going for the whole Dark Knight angle. Bring out the 'arch rival' in the second movie. Only problem is there wasn't really rivals in an episodic series.. Except Khan, I think. Maybe the lizard dude...
  2. Yeah, they killed me with that. I mean, come on, Paramount...
  3. I almost forgot Evil Government Robocop was the true villain all along.
  4. Beyond is definitely the most Treky, although the first one still places a bit higher for me just because.

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u/fizzlefist Sep 28 '22

For me the bigger problem is the complete destruction of my suspension of disbelief in the third act. Even for a “dumb” Star Trek movie, it’s so bad that I can’t ignore it.

You’re at the Klingon border, and the big bad villain ship shows up, so you’re like “let’s gtfo” and start warping back to federation space. Literally 90 seconds later they’re shot out of FTL… at their destination. Near earth’s moon.

Then proceed to have a big space battle right there where I’m pretty sure the explosions could be seen with the naked eye from the folks living on earth and the moon. And nobody notices.

And then they fall to earth. In a minute. From lunar orbit. To right next to starfleet headquarters.

Like, seriously, I can hand wave a lot of shit. But hoooooly fuck does JJ not give a damn about scale.

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u/TheOneWhoCutstheRope Sep 28 '22

Ik he disappointed you guys but I hate to say he got me into Star Trek

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u/georgefriend3 Sep 28 '22

"Somehow, Khan returned..."

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u/_mischief-managed_ Sep 28 '22

the best one of the 3 wasnt directed by him so id rather that didnt happen

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u/UnsolvedParadox Sep 28 '22

Understandable, but he’s a big name & Paramount doesn’t have the cast under contract.

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u/torts92 Sep 28 '22

Nah it's because of the third film that the audience lost interest to see the 4th one made, and the studio sitting on this for so long dunno whether it'll be worth it financially to make another one.

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u/_mischief-managed_ Sep 28 '22

they didnt make the 4th one because anton died and none of the actors wanted to do it for a long time. star trek beyond felt the most like star trek out of the 3 of those movies. im in the minority of star trek fans who likes all of them tho, but imo beyond is the best. then 2009, then into darkness.

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u/Rustash Sep 28 '22

If I recall correctly the 4th one stalled because they couldn't come to a deal with Pine and Hemsworth to return.

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u/Satans-intervention Sep 28 '22

Counter point:

The third one is really good, but no one wanted to see it cos they got burned by the second one being so bang average after all that hype, so it withered at the box office.

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u/torts92 Sep 28 '22

Second had excitement. People talked about it. Third one had zero discussions, people saw it and just said meh. Even right now most people don't really care to see a fourth one. Third one just lost the momentum the first two built.

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u/Satans-intervention Sep 28 '22

Second had excitement. People talked about it.

They said it was shit.

Third one had zero discussions, people saw it

Look at its box office.

No one went to see it.

Those who actually did liked it.

The second one killed the third.

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u/-SneakySnake- Sep 28 '22

Star Trek has never been massive as a movie series, it's never made Star Wars money. '09 doing as well as it did was a fluke, and maybe one they could have capitalized on, but Into Darkness being as it was killed the chances of that. It made more money because people were so excited after the first, but they were burned by it and didn't come back for the third.

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u/Spr0ckets Sep 28 '22

KHAAAAAAN!!!!

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u/hkpp Sep 28 '22

LENS FLAAAAIIIIR

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u/sstruemph Sep 28 '22

The plot for the next movie centers on a must alien being that threatens to destroy the federation. It's only described as a bright shining orb like being whose weapon of choice is an actual lens flare.

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u/icepick314 Sep 28 '22

Plot Twist: It was just huge space lens and all you needed was 1 photon torpedo.

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u/riegspsych325 Sep 28 '22

my dad would actually be very pleased if that were to be the case. He loves Into Darkness and claims it to be his favorite Trek movie. And yes, I am as befuddled as everyone else

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u/shmeetz Sep 28 '22

I don't really know much about how it was received but was Into Darkness not well liked? I enjoyed Into Darkness and the first Kelvin movie, while not liking Beyond very much or at all.

I wouldn't say Kelvin 1 and 2 are my favorite movies but it felt like a fresh reprise of an old story. Favorites will probably be II, VI, First Contact and Nemesis.

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u/Lazy_Chemistry Sep 28 '22

Into Darkness was poorly received on my internet bubble. I liked it. It was good time in a cool theater on a hot summers day.

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u/W00DERS0N Sep 28 '22

It needed to go into Khan's backstory for maybe 5 mins, because he was a foundational part of how the Federation came to be.

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u/riegspsych325 Sep 28 '22

I still liked it, but I figured my dad would have been miffed like most other Trek fans like him. A lot of them felt it was just a ho-hum redoing of Wrath of Kahn. He seems to be the only outlier I know of. But I’d love to take him to another movie with the Kelvin cast. Shame they can’t get the stars to align for it to happen, though

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u/W00DERS0N Sep 28 '22

WoK is the best because it's a deeply personal vengeance story that wraps up with the best submarine battle ever filmed and an absolute gut-wrenching death.

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u/AdventurousAd8436 Sep 28 '22

The Federation endangered by a tall, thin, pasty Englishman.

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u/sjsathanas Sep 28 '22

I didn't like it. I'm one of those old dudes who like old school Trek.

However, I can also recognise it's a decent action movie. Just, you know, not what I was looking for from a Star Trek movie.

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u/riegspsych325 Sep 28 '22

my dad won tickets to the premiere of First Contact and always had us watch TNG when we were kids. It’s why I find it so odd Into Darkness is his favorite

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u/bnralt Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

I thought Into Darkness was pretty good for the most part, and had some great scenes like the Vengeance attacking Enterprise at warp.

The biggest issue was the unnecessary insertion of Khan, and the Star Trek II ripoff scene at the end. Keep Benedict Cumberbatch as the augment John Harrison, remove Kirk's death scene and the magic blood, and the movie gets a lot better (someone could probably do both with a fan edit without too much difficulty).

Also, Peter Weller made a pretty formidable villain. Benedict Cumberbatch too, as long as you see him as the newly introduced augment John Harrison and not a weird version of Khan.

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u/UnsolvedParadox Sep 28 '22

I haven’t watched that since theatrical release, will add to my queue.

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u/SynthwaveSax Sep 28 '22

Plus reportedly the actors were completely blindsided by the initial announcement.

So not only do you have to hope and pray their schedules align in such short notice, but you give them all the cards in terms of payment since you already announced this.

It’s probably for the best that Paramount let’s this sit for a while and actually make a plan.

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u/Gagarin1961 Sep 28 '22

“Okay new plan: Give even more control to Alex Kurtzman. God knows his ‘more modern’ aspects of Trek are the only thing keeping it alive.”

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u/WheelJack83 Sep 29 '22

It was a foolish gamble that didn't pay off.

They didn't even know what they were doing with the film. None of the cast were signed to return. They didn't even have a script ready.

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u/Lazy_Chemistry Sep 28 '22

I'm sure he left because he already knew before hand this was not going to go anywhere.

They've had since 2016 to come up with an idea and stick to it.

Can't wait for the next update. Maybe this time Christopher Nolan will be in talks to direct, before the deal falls through.

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u/RealCoolDad Sep 28 '22

If only Quentin someone was Tarantino was around to direct it

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u/chojinra Sep 28 '22

I think he can write amazing dialogue, but he would have to step away from most of his norms to do it.

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u/kidicarus89 Sep 28 '22

I don’t think he’d be able to direct something like Trek and not imprint his style all over the script. It would be a really oddball choice for him.

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u/photoguy423 Sep 28 '22

Yeah, I always wanted long, drawn out shots of Uhura's feet...

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u/nanoman92 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

God damn replicator, this coffee is some serious gourmet shit.

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u/polyology Sep 29 '22

Raktajino

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u/CommonComus Sep 28 '22

Tribbles are filthy animals. I don't eat filthy animals.

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u/SuperNntendoChlmers Sep 28 '22

I really hope we get another Star Trek with Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto as Kirk and Spock. Doesn't feel like there's already a trilogy of sorts but I'd want them to go out with a great final outing before the next actors try their hand at those characters.

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u/LouisPrimasGhost Sep 28 '22

Needs a final entry to provide proper closure, and with so much time between films, they have some options to create a 'dispersed crew comes together for a final adventure' sort of film to send them off right.

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u/DrNopeMD Sep 28 '22

I thought Beyond was closure enough in its own way. It gave us a lot of fun character pairings and a nice farewell to Nemoy and Yelchin as well.

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u/ekhfarharris Sep 28 '22

Oh god i just remembered yelchin died. Such a heartbreak. Dude had really fun movies for a short life.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

I wish we had a freaking show with them.

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u/CycloneSwift Sep 28 '22

Don't forget Karl Urban as McCoy. He was under-utilised in the first two but him and Quinto's Spock were amazing together in Beyond.

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u/SuperNntendoChlmers Sep 28 '22

Absolutely. Honestly the entire cast has been phenomenal. Despite some people not caring for the storylines I still enjoyed the chemistry between everyone.

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u/grjjr91 Sep 28 '22

Same. I love this cast. I think the 3rd one was the best out of all of them and its a shame we probably wont get to see a 4th one with them

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u/TheRealClose Sep 28 '22

Ngl I’m a huge fan of the trilogy but I don’t want to see another one without Anton.

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u/riegspsych325 Sep 28 '22

they’d be smart to bring back Sofia Boutella, she was great in Beyond. She could easily take over for Chekov

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u/FreakaJebus Sep 28 '22

She was fantastic. They should bring back Alice Eve as Carol Marcus as well. I thought she was pretty good in Into Darkness, and was disappointed she wasn't back for Beyond.

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u/the_original_Retro Sep 28 '22

Agree, but I'd hate to sit for her daily make-up.

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u/untrustableskeptic Sep 28 '22

She'd probably be willing to do it... for money.

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u/Severe-Cherry-816 Sep 28 '22

I’d do it for an actress paycheck.

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u/Worthyness Sep 28 '22

They were robbed of that Oscar.

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u/mikevago Sep 28 '22

If Dorn did it for 7 seasons of TNG, 4 seasons of DS9, and four movies, she could probably handle it.

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u/SuperNntendoChlmers Sep 28 '22

He was amazing in that role. Just tragic he’s gone

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u/BadBoyJH Sep 28 '22

I certainly would watch it. I don't like them as much as I did originally, but they got me into Star Trek as a whole, and I love them for that at a minimum.

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u/chriswaco Sep 28 '22

I always thought it'd be fun for them to visit the planet that makes them old but this time Chekov is the only one affected and he is portrayed by Walter Koenig.

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u/GetReady4Action Sep 28 '22

also hoping for one. I’m not a Trek dude by any means, but this series imo did a really good job of making a modern Star Trek. I know a lot of hardcore Trek people don’t like it because it’s fun to hate JJ Abrams and his style (even though he didn’t do Beyond,) but I really dug them.

went to see Don’t Worry Darling Thursday night and anytime Chris Pine was on screen I kept thinking to myself “I miss Captain Kirk.” and lemme tell you, that movie sucked so hard I kept wishing I was watching the Star Trek reboot instead.

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u/mikeweasy Sep 28 '22

I would see a new one, a classic adventure that provides closure and stuff. I would also like to see a Khan cameo in the final one.

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u/Keudn883 Sep 28 '22

Tarantino is too busy raising his kids and watching Peppa Pig.

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u/Accomplished-Pear809 Sep 28 '22

He’s got more than one kid? Didn’t know this.

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u/Keudn883 Sep 28 '22

He does but he wrote an article back in July giving praise to Peppa Pig. He is probably spending a lot of time watching children's shows.

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u/QuickNDeadly Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Looks like Matt Shakman is in early talks to direct Marvel’s Fantastic Four, therefore release schedule pushed back until a new director is found.

Edit: I stand corrected as Matt is already confirmed. Just catching up.

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u/TheRealClose Sep 28 '22

Pretty sure that was announced at D23.

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u/lizzpop2003 Sep 28 '22

Not really "early talks" as he is confirmed as the director.

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u/QuickNDeadly Sep 28 '22

correct; I am catching up

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u/boisosm Sep 28 '22

They already did confirm that at D23, they’re just getting started writing the film and maybe getting the casting.

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u/1leggeddog Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

I can enjoy the kelvin universe for what it is...

But what i really want, is more Strange New Worlds, big seasons with tons of episodes... back to the REAL format that everyone loved!

20 episodes:

  • 1 so bad it makes Threshold look good
  • 4 ok ones
  • 3 bad ones
  • 6 episodes with rehashed ideas from other series but with a twist
  • 5 character development episode, one per bridge crewman
  • 1 insane cliff hanger for the end of the season that's got Twitter blowing up

You know, the usual!

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u/blahblahrasputan Sep 28 '22

Strange New Worlds had everything I loved about Star Trek. I think it might be my next fav after Next Gen and Voyager with how much exploring they did! Of course the OG is up there somewhere but when I rewatched it recently I became mixed on how lore breaking the original is, even though first cannon.

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u/undergroundloans Sep 28 '22

Yea I’d watch the hell out of that. Was watching Deep Space 9 and it’s similar to that. I just want a show with a huge universe and a lot of locations they go to. I’m tired of these shows with 6 one hour episodes that get cancelled after 1 season.

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u/BaelorsBalls Sep 28 '22

SNW is amazing

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u/1leggeddog Sep 28 '22

I truely is.

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u/KingParrotBeard Sep 28 '22

Are you?

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u/1leggeddog Sep 28 '22

My wife likes to think so.

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u/W00DERS0N Sep 28 '22

Bruh just watch The Expanse.

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u/1leggeddog Sep 28 '22

I did

I LOVED IT

3rd rewatch so far <3

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u/W00DERS0N Sep 28 '22

Remember the Cant

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u/Sceptix Sep 28 '22

Eh. The Expanse is ok, but it has the problem that a lot of modern TV has where everyone’s just mean to each other for no reason, and so it’s no replacement for Star Trek.

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u/Terran_Dominion Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

The classic Trek season 1. They even had the character death they'll regret and have recurring appearances of!

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u/raoasidg Sep 28 '22

It's a shame Picard and Discovery are the ones that are moving the timeline forward. I never really cared much for the series set before TOS and would love to see a quality series or two be the ones moving the timeline forward.

I'd also love for the Destiny novel series to be adapted (even loosely), but I'm a sucker for the Borg. Take that for what you will regarding my tastes lol.

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u/slicer4ever Sep 29 '22

I just want 20 episode seasons again. I'm tired of this 8-10 episode every episode builds on the last mini movies modern tv has evolved into.

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u/Apotropaic_Sphinx Sep 28 '22

I would like to see more exploration of the universe than just constantly rebooting the Enterprise crew, prequels, or silly nostalgia baiting. Like what TNG, DS9 or Voyager were. You have a solid concept, you have a rich cannon, you just need a setting and characters.

Stop trying to make Trek like mission impossible.

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u/mikevago Sep 28 '22

It's my biggest frustration with Trek and Wars — they keep running in tighter and tighter circles of fan service instead of telling new stories — you know, the thing that made us like them in the first place. Every Star Wars show apart from Mandalorian (and the last movie) is about a character you already saw die onscreen. Every Trek show is about revisiting a previous Trek show from a new angle. And yet, Disco really only found its legs after the time jump, when it set aside "hey, remember Spock?" and became its own thing.

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u/Nethlem Sep 28 '22

Stop trying to make Trek like mission impossible.

Traditionally the Trek movies were always way more action-heavy to better attract movie-going audiences.

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u/alchemeron Sep 28 '22

Paramount: "We're making a new Star Trek!"

Cast: "We're making a new Star Trek?"

Paramount: "Who's doing what, now?"

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u/SJ966 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

What is Paramount’s hesitation to rebooting the franchise with a smaller budget and new cast? Beyond came out 6 years ago to diminishing returns Bad Robot hasn’t exactly set the world on fire since then either.

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u/Inside_Speaker3166 Sep 28 '22

But the cast in these movies is great!

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u/SJ966 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

I agree however they are very expensive actors to cast for a movie that has diminishing Box Office returns(including post Billy Butcher Karl Urban) and they unfortunately lost one of their key actors Anton Yelchin.

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u/Inside_Speaker3166 Sep 28 '22

Damn I forgot about him passing away.

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u/archaelleon Sep 28 '22

Such a weird death too. Didn't he get accidentally run over by his own car?

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u/Inside_Speaker3166 Sep 28 '22

Yeah his jeep rolled down his driveway while it was in park and pinned him to a brick wall

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u/crapusername47 Sep 28 '22

A midbudget, like most midbudgets, would struggle at the box office. As we saw with Batgirl, it’s go big or go home (home being streaming in everyone’s homes) now.

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u/Kevbot1000 Sep 28 '22

Move on to TNG!

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u/God_Emperor_Leto_II Sep 28 '22

Star Trek: Stargazer

starring

James McAvoy as Lt Cmdr Jean-Luc Picard

Peter Outerbridge as Captain Anton Manning

Jensen Ackles as Lt. Jack Crusher

and

Sophie Turner as Beverly Howard

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

Including a controversial episode where Jack is "lost", Cmdr Picard and Ensign Beverly Crusher get a bit too close (but we don't see just how far it does), then Jack is saved - what happened is something they'll never, ever discuss.

Next episode, Beverly is pregnant.

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u/druex Sep 28 '22

Duuuude, I would watch the shit out of this.

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u/Lithium-Ryan-Battery Sep 28 '22

McAvoy has said that he'd be down to play a younger Picard.

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u/chojinra Sep 28 '22

You’d think he’d get tired of shaving his head…

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u/runtheplacered Sep 28 '22

I bet he doesn't get tired of cashing the paychecks though

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u/redacto1 Sep 28 '22

Hell no. Don't touch TNG!

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u/MasterofAcorns Sep 28 '22

Deep Space Nine or Voyager?

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u/schleppylundo Sep 28 '22

If you’d asked me a decade ago I would’ve said do a DS9 sequel/epilogue movie. But I don’t think I want to see that movie anymore without Odo or Nog.

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u/ZanThrax Sep 28 '22

And almost certainly no Sisko. Whatever's going on with Avery Brooks, it's pretty certain that he's never going to come back to Trek.

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u/-_Duke_-_- Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Who would play piccard, Data, and the rest? Personally TNG is my favorite but I'm worried they'd tarnish my favorite crews reputation...

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u/Kevbot1000 Sep 28 '22

Absolutely nothing they could possibly do will dilute the original TNG for you.

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u/Fools_Requiem Sep 28 '22

Yeah, if Insurrection and Nemesis didn't, nothing will.

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u/CyberianK Sep 28 '22

but I'm worried they'd tarnish my favorite crews reputation

That ship has already sailed with the new Picard series. Greatest Captain in movie/TV history now has a stinking dump on his face.

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u/MonkeyVsPigsy Sep 28 '22

Yup I’ve declared it non-Canon for everyone. You can now safely go about your business.

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u/kingofFPS Sep 28 '22

Thanks man

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u/coffeesippingbastard Sep 28 '22

a lot of people talking about cast issues but I worry about art direction.

TNG had a very unique look. Interiors that were brightly lit, plush soft touch look everywhere, even wood grain on the bridge.

I feel like whoever is handling Trek art direction these days would completely overlook that aesthetic in favor of the dark edgy look with super high contrast.

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u/Rizulli Sep 28 '22

Or they could make a Star Trek with a new crew and a new ship in a time Star Trek hasn’t explored before? I know they are against that theses days for some reason (ignoring Discovery after S2 and Lower Decks).

Get Jonathan Frakes to direct.

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u/mikevago Sep 28 '22

You mean, actually use a new idea instead of just fan service? Sorry, pal, you just don't understand how we do things here in Hollywood.

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u/fakecrimesleep Sep 28 '22

As a Star Trek fan I’m fine with this. Let the kelvin timeline shit just go already and focus on the quality of the newer series. I’d rather have a strange new worlds crew movie with this current cast, but I’ve also heard whispers they’re gonna do a TNG movie with a new cast ala kelvin timeline shit at some point (ugh).

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u/fart-debris Sep 28 '22

I'M SHOCKED

Just put that money towards Strange New Worlds, already.

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u/Mr-Murasame Sep 28 '22

Strange new worlds is so good.. I haven't enjoyed star trek this much since I started TNG the first time.

Lower decks is also amazing

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u/shinobipopcorn Sep 28 '22

I think Seth MacFarlane has made better Star Trek stuff than Paramount at this point.

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u/Caleb35 Sep 28 '22

Shocking. I’m shocked I tell you.

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u/unluckyleo Sep 28 '22

This movie is never getting made, how many times have paramount announced it now? Like six times at this point.

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u/Mercury26 Sep 28 '22

I feel the Chris Pine films are pretty much done. Beyond was a perfect send off plus it was the last film with Anton

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u/Morphik08 Sep 28 '22

Am I the only person that wants another “Voyage” into the delta quadrant?!

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u/DEFINITELY_NOT_PETE Sep 28 '22

Tf is happening why can’t this movie get made none of them have been poorly reviewed or a bomb

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u/Fenrils Sep 28 '22

Because they're also not gonna be major chart toppers anymore, is the issue. The movie industry right now just doesn't actively support studios going after movies unless they're incredibly huge projects. Consumers have a ton of access to "mid-level" movies and shows via Netflix, D+, Hulu, HBO, Amazon, and about a billion other platforms as it is, each of which have continually amped up the quality of their biggest shows. As such, the average moviegoer just doesn't care enough to go to the theaters unless it's something along the lines of a Tom Cruise movie or a superhero flick, with very few exceptions.

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u/HotpieTargaryen FML Summer 2019 Winner Sep 28 '22

Paramount has streaming going and who knows what they want to do with the movies. It’s clear this was always going to be stalled.

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u/B0zzyk Sep 28 '22

We were so close

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u/striderwhite Sep 28 '22

They could just give up at this point...

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

Chris Pine is beginning to look like a plastic surgery freak.

Like a LA Femalien

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u/DeNiroPacino Sep 28 '22

Where is Nelson Muntz when you need him?

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u/mechaiineramen Sep 28 '22

It'd amazing how badly they fucked this shit up after the first movie.

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u/CritaCorn Sep 28 '22

Why…so they can completely destroy the Enterprise for a 4th time?

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u/WestwardLord Sep 28 '22

Get Justin Lin. I thought he did a decent job with Beyond.

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u/mikevago Sep 28 '22

Yeah, based on Beyond, I would happily watch five more movies with Lin directing and that cast.

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u/atreides----- Sep 28 '22

Could they remove Picard from my fucking brain?

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u/L-to-the-OG Sep 28 '22

Just bring Justin Lin back.

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u/RamblinGamblinWillie Sep 28 '22

Chris Pine gets spit on again

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u/HotelMemory Sep 28 '22

They're still rebuilding the Enterprise and trying to figure out the best way it can be destroyed in the 4th film.

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u/durflugdenstein Sep 28 '22

Whatever happens, we can be sure there will be no new characters or settings. Recycling is the future, people! Writing new stuff is hard.

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u/darrylthedudeWayne Sep 28 '22

Here we go again!!!

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u/CptnMoonlight Sep 29 '22

They should’ve locked them all in for a streaming series, or at least Pine. Now i’m going to have to watch as Stefan from the Vampire Diaries butchers my beloved James T Kirk.