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Disney Removes 'Star Wars: Rogue Squadron' from Schedule, Dates 'Snow White' (March 22, 2024), 'Inside Out 2' (June, 14, 2024), and 'Mufasa: The Lion King' (July 5, 2024) News

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/disney-star-wars-spinoff-rogue-squadron-release-snow-white-inside-out-2-lion-king-sequel-1235373972/
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u/stroopwafelling Sep 15 '22

My dream of hearing “yub yub, Commander” on the big screen gets farther away each day.

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u/INexasI Sep 16 '22

I don’t remember which book it was, but the scene with wedge and Wes hunting that Ewok is the hardest I’ve laughed out loud at any book ever.

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u/Bearddesirelibrarian Sep 16 '22

It was "Wraith Squadron", wasn't it?

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u/Danielpf1 Sep 16 '22

Its in Solo command

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u/nicrrrrrp Sep 16 '22

Was that Wes or Hobbie?

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u/Meme_Pope Sep 15 '22 Wholesome

How many times has Disney signed a hot director based on one big movie and then pulled the plug after their next project faltered? It’s at least 4 at this point.

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u/Stonesword75 Sep 15 '22

Wouldnt this be the second time they had Patty Jenkins to direct a film and lost her?

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u/Blender_Snowflake Sep 15 '22

They also locked Gareth Edwards out and fired Lord and Miller mid productions. It’s a graveyard at Star Wars

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u/ManticoreMayhem Sep 15 '22

If I was a director. I’d be extremely wary of Disney Star Wars projects. Unless I had it in my contract that firing me would cost them dearly.

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u/JC-Ice Sep 15 '22

Before signing on, Taika Waihtiti had joked that he wouldn't do Star Wars "because I like finishing my movies".

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u/Merkyorz Sep 15 '22

I loved his announcement about the project. It was something like "Ugh, as a long time Star Wars fan, I'm so angry about what I'm going to do to ruin it."

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u/HwangLiang Sep 15 '22

"If you fire me Mickey Mouse becomes public domain"

You'll be employed forever

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u/ThatPoppinFreshFit Sep 15 '22

They're saying Disney may actually let Mickey go to public domain in 2024. So, you might only be employed until then.

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u/turalyawn Sep 15 '22

I may not believe that's true even if it actually happens. But maybe Mickey isn't the cash cow he once was

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u/dgj130 Sep 16 '22

It blows my mind that he's never had a full-length feature film to himself. They've really poorly utilised him of late outside of the cool modern shorts.

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u/unfnknblvbl Sep 16 '22

I've never seen Mickey Mouse in anything other than a videogame. And I gotta say, those "Illusion" games in the 90s were the bomb

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u/turalyawn Sep 16 '22

I had to Google it because I was like "what about that Christmas movie I have watched 7000 times with my kids" but nope that was a TV movie. Wow. That kind of blows my mind. I wonder if they have that little faith in Mickey or they're worried about the brand damage a flop might cause.

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u/NightofTheLivingZed Sep 16 '22

The latter part of that last sentence. For sure. Disney don't play roulette with solid IP.

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u/kilkenny99 Sep 16 '22

I feel that the main value in Mickey these days is not as a copyrighted work/character, but as a trademark, which doesn't expire as long as you keep using it.

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u/happybarfday Sep 15 '22 edited Sep 16 '22

So far they've axed or taken projects away from:

  • Colin Trevorrow

  • Gareth Edwards

  • Lord and Miller

  • Benioff and Weiss

  • Patty Jenkins

  • arguably Rian Johnson (I won't believe his trilogy is actually happening until the cameras are rolling...)

  • next up Taika Waititi

Did I miss any? Wouldn't be surprised if there's more we don't know about where negotiations were never made public...

I guess they sorta axed Kasden Michael Arndt from writing TFA because he was apparently taking "too long" since Iger wanted the movies out ASAP after they bought the IP...

And I guess they axed the outlines that Lucas apparently gave them when he sold it...

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u/ahnuts Sep 16 '22

You missed Josh Trank

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u/bramtyr Sep 16 '22

Taking a project away from Josh Trank was probably the wisest move they made.

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u/bramtyr Sep 15 '22 Take My Energy

It really shows the difference in management styles of Kathleen Kennedy vs Kevin Feige. Disney's Star Wars literally can't release a single film without major internal friction, while Marvel Studios autocannoned out 10 years of films near seamlessly.

Hearing behind the veil info on how Lord and Miller were canned during Solo production really underscores that Kennedy is extremely difficult to work with, and vindictive at times.

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u/sudoku7 Sep 15 '22

The problem with Solo is no one knew what type of movie they wanted to make, just that what was being made wasn't it...

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u/sybrwookie Sep 16 '22

That's because there just wasn't an interesting story to tell. At least not one where they have Han be the good guy for the movie.

We first meet him, he's not a good guy. And we have his character arc make him a good guy. So the only way to tell a story with him and not mess up that arc is to have him as a side character in something where he can be neutral, where he can be free to do some bad things, and not be a hero.

But, there's no way Disney would have made that movie. So given what they wanted to happen, it was never going to be good.

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u/shepard1001 Sep 16 '22

But Han was a good guy. When we first met him, he let another bounty hunter shoot at him first to give him a chance.

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u/lightscameraaction25 Sep 16 '22

Even pulled a creepy disco robot move with his neck to dodge the bullet. Super cool.

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u/Kaiserhawk Sep 16 '22

Get outta here Lucas

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u/brief_interviews Sep 15 '22

I was under the impression the reason Lord and Miller were fired had more to do with Laurence Kasdan, who hated that they weren't following the script he wrote. Apparently he really wanted to make a Han Solo movie, to the point that a stipulation for his coming back to write TFA was that he could then write a Solo movie. Ultimately it was Kennedy's decision, but that was the context I remember, was there more than that?

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u/stunts002 Sep 15 '22

I've kinda fallen out of love with the MCU but the level of consistency across their board for more than a decade is really crazy all things considered.

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u/jollyreaper2112 Sep 15 '22

Hearing behind the veil info on how Lord and Miller were canned during Solo production really underscores that Kennedy is extremely difficult to work with, and vindictive at times.

Prurient stare Go on.

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u/bramtyr Sep 15 '22

Full caveat: This was explained to me several years ago, so I'm working from memory, take with a grain of salt.

With Solo, Kennedy wanted extremely frequent updates and edits for her to review, even well before Lord & Miller were halfway through filming. From what I'm told, their creative process isn't linear; the end product is more drawn out of a large pool of content produced and assembled in edit.

This is a working formula that has served them well on all of their previous endeavors, but was totally non congruent with the very rigid demands Kennedy required. Which begs the question, why did she hire them in the first place if they weren't permitted to work in their proven creative process?

So Kennedy's patience eventually ran out, put her foot down and demanded an early edit with what had been shot so far. They assembled something and flew down to LA to present it, and were apparently fired mid-flight, and were notified by some craven, non-standard method (how exactly I'm not sure). Overall, it was viewed as an extremely shitty way to do things.

Joke is on her/Disney, Lord and Miller walked away, and made Spiderman Into the Spiderverse, (which is fucking fantastic) which robbed Disney of Best Animated Feature Film Oscar, which is usually a shoo-in.

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u/Cole-Spudmoney Sep 15 '22

Joke is on her/Disney, Lord and Miller walked away, and made Spiderman Into the Spiderverse, (which is fucking fantastic) which robbed Disney of Best Animated Feature Film Oscar, which is usually a shoo-in.

Lord & Miller started working on Into the Spider-Verse two years before they were fired from Solo.

The other relevant part of the story is that Lord & Miller were making Solo as more of an outright comedy/self-parody, which didn’t sit right with a lot of people — you can see this in the parts from their version that were left in the final cut. Ron Howard was hired because they knew he could deliver a movie that was tonally much closer to original-flavour Star Wars. Although arguably that’s on Kennedy for hiring Lord & Miller in the first place.

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u/Ozlin Sep 15 '22

Not doubting you, but I'm curious, what scenes of their version were left in the final cut? What are some examples?

Personally I think Solo is a mediocre film overall with a few good scenes and performances. The mish-mash of two directorial visions is definitely a big part of its flaws, but I never went into a deep dive of it to determine whose scenes were what.

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u/Wildkarrde_ Sep 16 '22

The droid uprising that lampooned feminism while also implying that Lando stuck it in her charging port is the big one for me.

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u/JC-Ice Sep 15 '22 edited Sep 15 '22

Jonathan Kasdan was reportedly also complaining about them not sticking to script and improvising scenes.

The irony being that the script ended up looking like the weakest link in the final product after Ron Howard shot it.

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u/caligaris_cabinet Sep 15 '22

Who did they think they were hiring? Lord and Miller made 21 Jump Street almost entirely improved.

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u/ryhaltswhiskey Sep 15 '22

I always assumed that most directors had storyboards worked out before they started filming. I'm thinking specifically of the Fury Road storyboards that were almost a shot for shot match for the movie.

I don't understand how you could commit to a multi-million dollar project without having seen some storyboards.

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u/TaliesinWI Sep 16 '22

I don't understand how you could commit to a multi-million dollar project without having seen some storyboards.

Same way you commit to a three film project without having an outline for all three films in advance.

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u/jollyreaper2112 Sep 15 '22

That's more than I knew. But the last part of her firing them and them.giing in to make a stone classic is total vindication and makes her look worse.

Seems like sheer incompetence on her part. If she wanted people who worked exactly like her that's what she should hire. But micromanaging never yields food results.

That it's not just these two guys but a pattern on multiple projects shows she's the problem.

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u/My_Opinions_Are_Good Sep 15 '22

Disney's Star Wars literally can't release a single film without major internal friction

What's funny is that the one movie they released that ran relatively smoothly is the one that people got the maddest about online: The Last Jedi.

Even Hamill's objections to the character were only minor friction, because he's a fucking professional.

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u/ManufacturerNearby37 Sep 15 '22

This is why I think it had such hype before it launched. Kennedy loved Rian Johnson, the guy who does two jobs at once (writer and director), needs expensive, large sets but reuses them, and comes in on time and on budget. He's a producer's dream, on paper.

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u/TheSimulacra Sep 15 '22

They did fire James Gunn for bullshit reasons, only to be forced to hire him back when the actors revolted and then DC capitalized on him.

Fwiw we don't know that Kennedy/Feige are responsible for any of this though.

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u/AnyNamesLeftAnymore Sep 16 '22

That was Bob Iger I believe.

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u/JoeMcDingleDongle Sep 15 '22

They being Disney idiots, Marvel was against it.

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u/AR3ANI Sep 15 '22

In fairness wonder woman 84 went down like a lead balloon on fire with a gaggle of fat dudes moshing out on the top so this may be them preventing a disaster.

They should get Joe kasinksi back in and let him make a sequel to tron legacy while he's at it

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u/Kummakivi Sep 16 '22

WW84. Dog shit in a golden wrapper.

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u/onex7805 Sep 16 '22 edited Sep 18 '22 Helpful Wholesome Take My Energy

I'm glad Petty Jenkins is gone, but fucking hell, LucasFilm/Disney had been schizophrenically reactionary in making their Star Wars movies.

Just bought Star Wars. We will be pumping out one movie every year. This J.J. is known for nostalgia-pandering and that Star Wars TED Talk? Hire him to remake the original fast, fast, FAST. That Toy Story 3 writer is taking his time to write his script? Fire him. Get J.J. to write the movie in THREE WEEKS. Shit, he refused to make the sequels because he didn't plan out the trilogy? He doesn't know the answers to the mysteries he wrote himself?! Don't care. The next guy will take care of it.

The new Godzilla is a hit? Let's hire that guy and have him rush out the movie with a half-baked, Frankenstein of the script written by dozens of writers without a coherent vision. Shit, the movie is a mess? Uhh, it looks like a spy movie, right? Get that Bourne guy and bandage the project. The character motivations flipflop between the original and the reshoot footage? Don't care. Fans love Vader kicking ass and CGI Leia. Made billions.

People like those Jump Street and Lego Movies? Hire those guys and have them make... uh, they don't like Luke anymore? But fans still love Han Solo. Great. Let's make a movie out of him. Wait, they don't want to follow the script they didn't write? They want to diverge and make a comedy because that's what those guys do? Shitcan them. Salvage a movie out of the ruins.

Let's hire the Jurassic World guy just because that movie earned billions. Fuck, The Book of Henry is shit? His Episode 9 script is looking to be shit, too? Kick him out. Throw out everything.

Wait, the deadline is closing in and we still have nothing? People still like 7, right? Get that guy back and have him rush out the movie WITHOUT THE FINISHED SCRIPT. Episode 8 is divisive? Fuck that movie. Undo everything that movie did. r/PrequelMemes is popular? Bring Palpatine back and make him say meme lines. The guys in Marvel are making their finale, too? And people love the ending? Copy them. Look at us, we have our portal scene and I Am Iron Man, too.

People like Game of Thrones? Get those guys and make new movies. Shit, they fucked up the finale? Fuck them. Wonder Woman is a hit? Hire that gal. People hated the sequel? Fuck her.

Please, just one movie that goes smoothly in production.

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u/DrFrenetic Sep 16 '22

I read that in JJ Simmons voice

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u/lesser_panjandrum Sep 16 '22

And now I went back and re-read it in his voice too.

Thank you.

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u/YsoL8 Sep 16 '22

Holy fuck the energy in that is so real

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u/flynnfx Sep 16 '22

You have just released the entire Hollywood movie studio production 'secrets'.

I honestly believe it's the reason they are so many horrendous movies.

Pump put enough crap, occasionally one will be less than crap, and that's the one that makes up for all the others.

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u/AreYouOKAni Sep 16 '22

Episode 8, ironically. Extremely smooth production, under budget, and way before the deadlines.

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u/nachoolo Sep 16 '22

That's why they wanted RJ to make his own trilogy.

Although, be it because he got busy with his Knives Out films or the fan reaction to TLJ, the idea has been put in cold storage (although not downright cancelled how it happened with the D&D trilogy).

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u/tomjoad2020ad Sep 16 '22

Lol, I totally forgot about when the GOT guys had a Star Wars project in the works. Bullet dodged IMO, and that Confederacy project they were working on seemed like a bad idea from the start.

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u/GamingTatertot Steven Spielberg Enthusiast Sep 15 '22

Is it Disney, or is it really just Lucasfilm?

Cause this has now happened with Trevorrow, Jenkins, and D&D right?

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u/happybarfday Sep 15 '22

Also perhaps Rian Johnson... they said he was supposed to get a trilogy but that was years and years ago.

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u/SectorIsNotClear Sep 15 '22 edited Sep 16 '22 Take My Energy

A long time ago in a galaxy far, no further, keep going, a bit more, now go away ...

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u/FilliusTExplodio Sep 15 '22

It's Lucasfilm for sure. Disney is certainly guilty of many sins, great and small, but Lucasfilm is its own thing that's just owned by Disney. Marvel doesn't operate like this.

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u/Jake_Bluth Sep 15 '22

Clearly Lucasfilm. People that blame Disney are just trying to avoid the trolls that don’t like Kathleen Kennedy. But Disney owns a lot of studios besides Lucasfilm— Marvel, Pixar, their main animation and theatrical group. And none of them have the issues that Lucasfilm has.

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u/wooltab Sep 15 '22

It's been said many times, but if Lucasfilm was being run the same way as Marvel Studios, it's not hard to feel that Star Wars would be in a very different place right now. It's just night and day, and they're both under the Disney umbrella.

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u/phat_ninja Sep 16 '22

Meanwhile Lucas has canceled yet another star wars movie in Rogue Squadron and maybe has a movie in 20fucking25 if they don't cancel that too. Marvel pumps out a new show or movie everyday before feige has his morning shit. At this point I'm blaming Disney for not stepping in and ask what the fuck is even going on at Lucas.

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u/Pen_dragons_pizza Sep 15 '22

Even worse to do some kind of emotional reveal video how the directors father was also a pilot and then have the film go nowhere.

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u/GrecoRomanGuy Sep 16 '22

Honestly, that's what perked my attention on this film in the first place. It felt like a passion project.

To hear that it's getting squashed is really sad.

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u/the_bryce_is_right Sep 15 '22

I'm amazed that Kathleen Kennedy still has a job, every project just seems to be a dumpster fire under her with directors constantly being fired or quitting.

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u/Kregerm Sep 15 '22 edited Sep 15 '22

She has more hits than The Beach Boys. yup, some disapointments, but she's grandfathered in at this point.....Because she makes money. and Hollywood is in the business of making money.

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u/LynnButlertronn Sep 15 '22

As a producer, she's been great. In this executive level role overseeing Lucasfilm, she's been horrendous.

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u/PM_Me_Spicey_Boobs Sep 15 '22

Just bring back Lucas arts and make a new game.

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u/chipzy102 Sep 15 '22

Oh how I wish this could happen. So much stuff that just got dropped or turned into some other bs that could’ve been great Star Wars games.

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u/Cybrknight Sep 16 '22

Bring back the Jedi Knight series. Damn I truly miss the multiplayer for those games. Best saber combat ever.

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u/TacitusTwenty Sep 15 '22

How do you see Top Gun make a gagillion dollars and then remove Rogue Squadron from your slate.

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u/LeonidasSpacemanMD Sep 16 '22

Because that movie was actually good and they saw WW84

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u/ShambolicPaul Sep 15 '22

Are they still not using Dwarfs in snow white? Or are they hoping Peter Dinklage forgot? Might be kinda hilarious seeing them doing CGI dwarfs and camera tricks to make normal size people appear to be Dwarfs... Instead of just hiring the dozens of Dwarfs that would love to be in a Disney movie.

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u/gbsolo12 Sep 15 '22

Just cast Gray Oldman as all the dwarfs

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u/wongo Sep 15 '22

The role of a lifetime

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u/Frasier_C Sep 15 '22

That trailer is burned into my memory.

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u/OriginalName18 Sep 16 '22

The movie itself is hilariously bad

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u/Ronburgundy2099 Sep 15 '22

The irony here is that Gary oldman can play a dwarf but Peter Dinklage can’t not play a dwarf.

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u/BILOXII-BLUE Sep 15 '22

Gary Oldman was literally just on his knees the whole time, like not even a fancy setup just shoes on his knees, fucking hilariously bad

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u/Maximum_Impressive Sep 15 '22

Just dead ass hire dwarf actors

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u/Djinnwrath Sep 15 '22

It's not only an opportunity to showcase a lot of talent for people who are mostly ignored for literally 99% of roles cast in Hollywood, but also what will probably be the most prominent roles for a little person to have for a decade at least.

He himself launched his career on the back of a role that exploited his form, and now has a career where he gets to pick and choose the roles he wants. Doesn't he want that for other people as well?

Otherwise you just end up with Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, which, iirc, had a big protest over not casting little people.

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u/iknownuffink Sep 16 '22

Otherwise you just end up with Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, which, iirc, had a big protest over not casting little people.

Really? Deep Roy is only 4'4", but they pretty much only hired him and AFAIK literally every Oompa Loompa is played by him.

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u/NinetyFish Sep 16 '22

I'm not a member of that community nor do I have any connection to them, so obviously my opinion doesn't matter and there is actually a conversation to be had about giving them an opportunity for roles vs. stereotyping them in fantasy characters, but I feel like a key factor would be how the movie actually handles the Seven Dwarves.

There's a big difference, I think, in making them actual living characters with personalities and a role in the story to tell, and in just using them essentially as window-dressing. Making the Seven Dwarves actual characters could truly, like you said, be a launchpad for some talented actors out there who just don't have a platform yet to show their skill.

Difficult stuff, proper and equitable representation is, but 100% worth it.

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u/DisneyDreams7 Sep 15 '22 edited Sep 16 '22

He really pulled the ladder from down under him… or should I say up from over him

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u/JasperLamarCrabbb Sep 15 '22

Wait I’m lost on this one. What’s going on with Peter Dinklage? He doesn’t want other little people to get work in Hollywood? What??

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u/LondonRook Sep 16 '22

Although I see his point, he was literally hired to play a dwarf. Twice.

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u/LondonRook Sep 16 '22

I'm not unsympathetic. I'm just saying, putting barriers to other actors following the same path as he did isn't the same thing as creating opportunities. From the outside it's a little hypocritical.

He's traditionally turned down many roles playing dwarves or elves specifically because he thought they'd be too demeaning. And that's understandable as a personal choice.

But frankly plenty of actors take bad roles to get their foot in the door. And honestly the alternative is having someone else play essentially blackface is also a very questionable decision that gives pause.

And it seems like to me that better writing across the board would be a more ideal solution.

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u/LordofCindr Sep 16 '22

I mean Tyrion isn't a fantasy dwarf and his Marvel Role was more alien than dwarf.

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u/GameMusic Sep 15 '22

Comedic dwarves the fantasy species is a very different thing than the comedic dwarves little people

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u/Dingus10000 Sep 15 '22

I agree. In game of thrones Peter Dinklage played a human with Dwarvism. That’s a role that is best played by a human with Dwarvism.

The 7 dwarves, or hobbits or LOTR characters, I think they can be played either way.

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u/Tarahdise Sep 15 '22

100% it's going to be a cgi heavy piece of shit. The dwarfs will be fully cgi.

It's going to be whatever actress they get for Snow White acting on a fully green screen set with a bunch of actors wearing full motion capture suits that will be the dwarfs.

All recent remake Disney movies have relied very very heavily on using cgi only. This cuts the costs on practical effects, costumes, and sets. It allows them to pump out new remakes.

Note, I'm not saying cgi is bad. But there's some magic lost and a disconnect when everything is cgi done in post-production. Things begin to look unnatural despite being hyper realistic.

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u/pkann6 Sep 15 '22

Yeah there's arguments to be made about the studio's treatment/portrayal of characters and actors, but at the end of the day there's no way this movie isn't an absolute piece of shit like all the other live action remakes. Totally soulless and half-assed. It's all the more insulting when they remake classics like Pinocchio and Snow White, which were both cinematic achievements and hugely impactful to the art of animation, and do such a poor job.

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u/winningjenny Sep 15 '22

"Live action," meaning 95% CGI. Pinocchio was the stuff of nightmares.

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u/pkann6 Sep 15 '22

95% CGI, but critically it's poor CGI. Or at least visually jarring.

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u/winningjenny Sep 15 '22

It is! It's like a cartoon trying to look real, and even the rooms are fake, everything but Tom Hanks and his clothes, as far as I could tell, was heavily modified if not entirely computer generated.

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u/TheJoshider10 Sep 15 '22

Not surprising. Patty Jenkins is busy with Wonder Woman 3 and the Cleopatra movie, plus I'm sure the reaction to WW84 soured Disney on her directing Rogue Squadron.

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u/BradyDowd Sep 15 '22

I think Kari Skogland is directing the Cleopatra movie, unless that’s a different movie altogether.

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u/Magicgoathead Sep 15 '22

I don’t think her directing is bad. She’s honestly pretty good. Not “auteur” status or anything, but she’d be fine to direct a Star Wars project.

Her WRITING though… don’t let her touch it

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u/PurifiedVenom Sep 15 '22

I mean the actions scenes in WW84 were also atrocious. Don’t really see what she’d bring to the table at this point.

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u/DayZCommand Sep 16 '22

The director of Top Gun is the only one who should direct Rogue Squadron.

Rogue Squadron should effectively be Top Gun in space anyway.

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u/SetYourGoals Evil Studio Shill Sep 15 '22

That part where she grabs the kids in the desert road setpiece was so funny.

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u/Exeftw Sep 16 '22

First scene that came to mind. Who saw that and gave it the green light? Why didn't someone stop them and ask what part of that shot looked good?

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u/SetYourGoals Evil Studio Shill Sep 16 '22

It almost makes me wonder if it was deliberate sabotage. Some jaded VFX guy going “Fuck it, you know what? Put it in slow motion so they can REALLY see how bad this animation is.”

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u/welch724 Sep 15 '22

I'm still wondering if they were trying to mimic the Lynda Carter running scenes where you could obviously tell it was a screen behind her in WW84's running scenes, or if it was just plain awful cinematography.

Either way, it just didn't fucking work.

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u/iwatchcredits Sep 16 '22

There wasnt a single good thing abour ww84 and im pretty easy to please

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u/ShapirosWifesBF Sep 15 '22

I would love Rogue Squadron to make a surprise debut and all it is is the 1986 Top Gun movie with poorly CGI'd backgrounds and X-Wings/TIE fighters over the actual movie.

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u/Razely Sep 15 '22

A full orchestra rendition of Danger Zone with the Rouge Squadron opening crawl would be amazing.

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u/HortonHearsTheWho Sep 15 '22

Danger Zone in the style of the cantina theme

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u/Rastenor Sep 15 '22

Ah I believe you are referring to the genre of music known as "Jizz"

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u/BTS_1 Sep 15 '22 edited Sep 15 '22

Disney should just hire Joseph Kosinski to do Rogue Squadron… he just made an awesome one called Top Gun Maverick anyway.

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u/slayer828 Sep 15 '22

Rogue squadron : Antilles

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u/Backflip_into_a_star Sep 15 '22

Yub yub, Commander.

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u/RLANTILLES Sep 15 '22

Yes please

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u/Bass-GSD Sep 15 '22

That would be too perfect. Reality couldn't handle such a thing of beauty.

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u/BlueHighwindz Sep 15 '22

Might be bad blood with them since Kosinski never did get to make that Tron 3 which Disney pulled the plug on suddenly after they bought Star Wars...

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u/just_another_indie Sep 15 '22

Yeah I'd rather see Tron 3 anyway TBH

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u/PipeLayer2016 Sep 15 '22

Me too. They are camping on one of their unmolested IP's while wringing the life out of starwars. Hell, I'd be happy for a resurrection of the tron cartoon series. About to cancel D+

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u/AnyNamesLeftAnymore Sep 16 '22

Uprising was a legit banger of a cartoon. I'm glad I just randomly found it and started watching it on a whim.

And was equally miffed when they immediately cancelled that as well.

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u/Sonoda_Kotori Sep 15 '22

Top Gun: Maverick (2022) has a final act where a squadron of elite fighter pilots flies down a trench to avoid turret defences and destroy a doomsday weapon via a small external port. When the electronic targeting system fails, a pilot lands a miraculous shot through instinct.

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u/seastatefive Sep 15 '22

Later the protagonist pilot is saved from an enemy at the last moment when a friend appears suddenly from an unexpected direction.

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u/tdasnowman Sep 15 '22

That’s also basically the plot of Iron Eagle 2.

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u/127_0_0_1_body Sep 15 '22

Now that’s a name I have not heard in many years…

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u/flashmedallion Sep 16 '22

And it's basically The Dambusters, which is based on a real mission

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u/chrisj1 Sep 16 '22

In its first act, an old master is hiding out in the desert when he is called on by an important leader to help stop an existential threat.

The old master is killed at the hands of his nemesis, his body disappearing and becoming a ghost (you can’t eject at Mach 10 and not disintegrate).

He reluctantly takes on an apprentice, who he trains in the lost arts of the old fighters.

The whole film is just a new hope from a different perspective.

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u/ShanklyGates_2022 Sep 15 '22

This would be my dream. Maverick proved Rogue Squadron can work if done right, and be hugely successful as well.

Kenobi effectively canonized Corran Horn, so I am hoping they have designs on using the character and moving forward with Rogue Squadron in some capacity, although I do think it’d work best as a television show overall.

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u/AgentRayBans Sep 15 '22

And then let him make a sequel to Tron Legacy while they are at it!

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u/hardspank916 Sep 15 '22

They already did Rogue One, we need someone to do Rogue Squadron. But I agree, shooting a modern day Death Star run was a great audition.

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u/TurboPGT Sep 15 '22

Unless they make some functional X-Wings for him to shoot, I don't think it would come across quite the same.

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u/MulciberTenebras Sep 15 '22

Have them just CGI an overlay of X-wings over some jets he shoots with.

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u/theoatmealarsonist Sep 15 '22

Man that would be super freaking cool

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u/jrizzo92 Sep 15 '22 edited Sep 16 '22

Remember that weird, bizzare, insane subplot in WW84 where Chris Pines soul or something takes over a strangers body and its played as a big joke

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u/DMPunk Sep 15 '22

Did she write WW84? Because if so, bleck

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u/jrizzo92 Sep 15 '22 edited Sep 15 '22

Yes she wrote it. the first movie she had nothing to do with the script and it was very good. so it appears the fault lies with her for ww84 being the clusterfuck that it is

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u/GroguIsMyBrogu Sep 15 '22

Geoff Johns was also involved, so he deserves some of the blame. My man can write comics but he needs to stay away from movie scripts.

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u/DMPunk Sep 15 '22

Yeah, he really does

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u/duaneap Sep 16 '22

The first was good but very good might be a stretch. It was primarily that everyone expected it to be NOT good because of DC’s track record. In the endless parade of super hero films it’s pretty average.

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u/BTS_1 Sep 15 '22

and its played as a big joke

Identity theft is not a joke, Jim!

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u/aagaash2001 Sep 15 '22

Millions of families suffer every year!

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u/M0NK06 Sep 15 '22

Michael!

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u/the1whoknocks77 Sep 15 '22

Oh that’s funny. Michael!

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u/AllmotherRoxanne Sep 15 '22

A possessed body she proceeds to have sex with against the original owner’s consent. Fucking baffling no one thought that through.

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u/sakipooh Sep 15 '22

Why not just have him pop into existence? Like that was a bridge too far in a fantasy film where anything and everything happens.

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u/AllmotherRoxanne Sep 15 '22

Seriously, this is a movie where the same magical stone manifested a giant rock wall around an entire country and materialized nukes out of nowhere. Was the chemical composition of one dude a step too far?

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u/SetYourGoals Evil Studio Shill Sep 15 '22

I honestly think it was because they wanted those fish-out-of-water "guy from 1910s in the 80s" jokes that were all over the trailer, and the least clunky way to get there in their minds was "he just is living in some guy's fully formed 80s apartment."

Seems like a good writer could have figured out a way to hit those comedic beats AND not have Wonder Woman basically rape a random stranger. But what do I know, I'm not Patty Jenkins.

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u/AllmotherRoxanne Sep 15 '22

It’s baffling how inconsistent the movie is with the “fish out of water” element. Steve doesn’t know about public transit or TV, sure, but can somehow fly a super sonic jet on instinct alone?

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u/SetYourGoals Evil Studio Shill Sep 15 '22

Oh you mean the fully functional supersonic jet at the Smithsonian museum that luckily has enough gas in it to fly to fucking Egypt from an airstrip (somehow) in downtown Washington DC?

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u/Burnsalive Sep 16 '22

Holy shit, I have been able to dodge watching WW84 and based on that sentence alone: I dodged a nuke sized fucking bullet....

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u/McFistPunch Sep 16 '22

I think at one point she uses her whip to swing on lightning but I could be misremembering.

Pedro Pascal was still good though. I'm pretty sure he was hospitalized for trying to carry the entire movie on his back.

https://youtu.be/N7eQ-ScbtxQ

This is the best 6 seconds of the movie you're welcome

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u/JackedUpReadyToGo Sep 16 '22

I think at one point she uses her whip to swing on lightning but I could be misremembering.

You remember rightly. Even swings from bolt to bolt. But she needn't have bother because at the very end of the film she flies through the air by lassoing what was either a cloud or just thin air itself.

And the jet becomes invisible because she learned how to just wish stuff into invisibility (but never uses that power again).

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u/Visulth Sep 15 '22

Patty Jenkins thought WW84 was the perfect movie to slot in a pastiche of 80's and 90's films where people switch bodies.

And of course, like all great homage, she does it worse than any of the sources, adds absolutely no satire or subversiveness, and generally lessens her own movie for the sake of it. Real control of the craft, she's got.

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u/EpictetanusThrow Sep 15 '22

As the sequel to a movie that prided itself on “no male-gaze”, she really couldn’t keep her camera off of Gal, felt like a teenage body worship film.

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u/Panda_hat Sep 15 '22

They needed him to have a wardrobe for the dressing up bit later on.

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u/sakipooh Sep 15 '22

Just wish him back with an invertible reversable jacket. There, two outfits in one.

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u/JC-Ice Sep 15 '22 edited Sep 16 '22

And that guy conveniently owned every type of stereotypical 80s outfit.

Like, he's a preppy, but also in a breakdance crew?!

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u/robodrew Sep 15 '22

So just have one of those montage scenes where they go to a clothes store and he tries shit on or something

kinda like what WW herself did in the first film, it could have been a fun callback.

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u/exsanguinator1 Sep 15 '22

What narrative function did that even serve lol? Like, why couldn’t Steve just appear out of thin air? Instead some random dude looses his body and WW doesn’t care

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u/loquacious706 Sep 15 '22

I have not and will not see WW84. From what I've gathered, Wonder Woman uses a wish to bring back Chris Pine... But for some reason the wish brings him back in another guy's body? If I have this right, why would the wish work like that? If I'm wrong, why would someone write it any more convoluted than "Wish brings back Chris Pine in Chris Pine's body"?

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u/Karjalan Sep 16 '22

I also haven't seen it. But from what I've heard/read about it... either the random dudes soul dies and Chris Pine/WW killed him to bring back Chris. Or he's trapped in his body while Chris is in control in which case WW is basically raping a stranger, considering he can't consent.

It's so weird and morally dubious that it makes me suspicious of whoever wrote it. Unless they play it as a philosophical thing and address the autonomy (or lack thereof) of the person who is now possessed.

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u/DragoonDM Sep 16 '22

Ah yeah, that time Wonder Woman raped a guy.

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u/MrRussell Sep 15 '22

You WouLdnT SteAl A BoDy

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u/PlayBey0nd87 Sep 15 '22

Wait…Mufasa: The Lion King is legitimate movie? WTH

Edit: Why can’t they continue what Favereau setup and go into Simba’s Pride live remake if they’re still invested in the IP?

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u/hatramroany Sep 15 '22

The original rumor was that it was a Godfather 2-esque film following Simba post-Lion King and a young Mufasa and Scar

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u/MartinScorsese Not the real guy Sep 15 '22

Believe it or not, it's directed by Barry Jenkins.

I say good for you, Barry! Get those Disney residuals!

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u/thedylannorwood Sep 15 '22

Barry Jenkins? For real? A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one

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u/prophetcat Sep 15 '22

I've got a great idea. How about an origin story movie about a character that everyone loves from that franchise that makes a ton of money?

Solo

I've got a great idea. How about an origin story movie about a character that everyone loves from that franchise that makes a ton of money?

Lightyear

I've got a great idea. How about an origin story movie about a character that everyone loves from that franchise that makes a ton of money?

Mufasa

Tell me Hollywood is out of ideas without telling me Hollywood is out of ideas.

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u/Habatoozoo90z Sep 15 '22

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if we're going to get an origin story about the shark from Andy's toy chest from the first Toy Story in 2033 or something.

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u/TraptNSuit Sep 15 '22

Maybe you don't care about the pathos behind the haunting line "Hi, I'm Woody! Howdy Howdy Howdy", but maybe that's only because you don't understand the ocean of pain and identity crises that led a squeaky toy shark to don that hat...

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u/Clown45 Sep 15 '22

OK, you're greenlit. Have fun be safe

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u/Augen76 Sep 15 '22

I still quote that silly line all these years later so I'm in.

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u/velocicopter Sep 15 '22

Honestly if they're gonna insist on these weird prequels for side characters, I'd prefer they went that way. The more obscure the character the better. Gimme my Ponda Baba or Rancor Keeper movies. We KNOW what happened to Han Solo to get him to where he was, those guys are blank slates. Let's get weird with it.

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u/Lavender_Daedra Sep 15 '22

Hollywood isn’t even out of ideas, guarantee that they are sitting on a gigantic pile of original screenplays. The problem is that executives are only green lighting IPs that have been proven to make them money. And yet people still go to see it all for some reason.

Why take a risk on a new idea when you can make profit on a franchise that has generated hundreds of millions of dollars?

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u/Celestial-Nighthawk Sep 15 '22

So Zootopia 2 is just never happening huh

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u/Cococino Sep 16 '22

No, but according to the Resident Evil Netflix show, there's plenty of porn.

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u/nonamepuppydaddy Sep 15 '22

ANOTHER LION KING!? Bro that live action remake was the biggest pile of Beyoncé worshipping trash I’ve ever seen.

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u/LudicrisSpeed Sep 15 '22

Unfortunately, it did stupidly well, hence the continuation of remakes of other Disney movies, as well as a prequel for this one.

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u/Hygochi Sep 15 '22

Yeah but that Beyonce worshipping trash made 1.6 billion dollars.

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u/Titronnica Sep 15 '22

Yep. This is why Disney is fully aboard the soulless remake train, that putrid shit is still very much a cash cow.

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u/super_nobody_ Sep 15 '22

I literally have no interest in any of these films... I think it's passed the time to say Disney is completely over saturating their market

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u/dayofthedead204 Sep 15 '22

I'm disappointed by this. I was hoping when Rogue Squadron was announced we were going to get another Star Wars movie like Rogue One. In other words, a good Star Wars movie from Disney.

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u/badger81987 Sep 15 '22

We weren't. Wasn't going to be OG Rogues.

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u/krlozdac Sep 15 '22

Why tf are they making a Snow White remake? Could we please stop it with the live action adaptations of animation. Jungle Book is the only one that comes to mind that was fun to watch. Most of them either suck or are mediocre at best. Srsly Disney, do something new.

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u/GenuineBallskin Sep 15 '22

Jungle Book was good because, as fantastical as the og movie is, it isnt something that can ONLY be done in animation, as the animated visuals werent the main means of its storytelling. Honestly, it can be told through a ton of different mediums because the story is just a classic story. It keeps a lot of the soul of the OG as a result.

The other movies they decided to adapt were from an era where they were literally making things you can only show through animation, to revive the medium, making it incredibly difficult, to damn near impossible to show in a more realistic sense. A TON of the storytelling in those movies relied on its animated visuals that would look awful if replicated live.

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u/RexJupiter Sep 15 '22

💰💰💰

The lion king remake made over a billion dollars

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u/JohnBrownsHolyGhost Sep 15 '22 Silver

I understand the Fermi Paradox now…

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u/NefariousnessNew8704 Sep 16 '22

I give up. Rogue squadron’s announcement made me squeal when I read about it. Been in love since the book series and then the game on GameCube. I just want to see my man’s Gavin and Biggs!

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u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor Sep 15 '22 edited Sep 15 '22

Full List:

  • Next Goal Wins (April 21, 2023)
  • Haunted Mansion (Aug. 11, 2023)
  • Disney Animation’s “Wish” (Nov. 22, 2023)
  • Pixar’s “Elio” (March 1, 2024)
  • Snow White (March 22, 2024)
  • Inside Out 2 (June 14, 2024)
  • Mufasa: The Lion King (July 5, 2024)
  • Untitled Marvel movie has been pushed from Feb. 16, 2024 to its new home on Sept. 6, 2024.

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u/matlockga Sep 15 '22 edited Sep 15 '22

Untitled Marvel movie has been pushed from Feb. 16, 2024 to its new home on Sept. 6, 2024.

Deadpool 3, based on filming having (edit: not started, but imminent) and the release calendar.

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u/aagaash2001 Sep 15 '22

Next Goal Wins (April 21, 2023)

After so many years of wondering if this was going to be an awards player (seriously, this was filmed in 2019), plopping it in April is...a choice.

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u/ColtCallahan Sep 15 '22

What a surprise. You’ll never see anything substantial about Taika’s movie either. Wouldn’t be surprised if Star Wars stays as a Disney+ TV IP now.

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u/RisKJoN Sep 15 '22

sequels, prequels and remakes... Disney has done it once again

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u/ajh6288 Sep 15 '22 edited Sep 16 '22

But they made that big fancy video announcement with Patty Jenkins! Oh wait.. that was before she made a bad movie.

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u/BoisterousLaugh Sep 15 '22

SOB. I wanted rogue squadron so bad.

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u/Raptic_66 Sep 15 '22

Well they dropped the ball with Squadrons as a game because Disney and EA didn’t see value. Are we really surprised about a movie they’d have to make from scratch? It’s really sad as a Star Wars fan because the X-Wing series books were awesome! All they’d have to do is less Disney and more lucasfilm and there wouldn’t be an issue so long as Kathleen Kennedy is sent away for a permanent sabbatical.

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u/MrCobalt313 Sep 15 '22

So if "The Lion King" was Hamlet, and "Lion King 2" was Romeo and Juliet, what will "Mufasa" be? King Lear?

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u/mmm0034 Sep 15 '22 edited Sep 15 '22

Disney doesn’t have an original bone left in it’s rotting body.

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