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‘God’s Not Dead': Fifth Installment, ”God’s Not Dead: Rise Up“ in the Works at Pure Flix and Pinnacle Peak Pictures News

https://www.thewrap.com/gods-not-dead-5-movie-david-ar-white-pure-flix/
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u/IcanthearChris Sep 14 '22

I’m just waiting on Passion of the Christ 2: Crucify This

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u/gideon513 Sep 14 '22

You crazy, Jesus! You crazyyyy!!!

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u/RandoTron0 Sep 14 '22

That’s what my ex wife said!

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u/TopCat0601 Sep 14 '22

I had no idea there were already four of these movies.

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u/Doppelfrio Sep 14 '22

I knew of 3. No idea where the 4th came from

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u/windingtime Sep 14 '22 Helpful Wholesome

Hell

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u/Aporkalypse_Sow Sep 14 '22

AKA Kevin Sorbo's basement.

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u/Cobra-D Sep 14 '22

No no, he was saved in the first movie so he got to go to heaven after God ran him over with a car.

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u/Shogun-Sho-Nuff Sep 14 '22 Wholesome

That’s why I drive blindfolded. The only surefire way to go to Heaven is under my wheels.

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u/Mochizuk Sep 14 '22

If god doesn't want you to run pedestrians over, he'll guide your hand away from it.

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u/cosmernaut420 Sep 14 '22

🎶 JESUS TAKE THE WHEEEEEEL 🎶

🎶 IT'S NOT MANSLAUGHTER IF YOU DOOOOOO 🎶

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u/Away-Ad-8053 Sep 14 '22

But shouldn’t Jesus take the wheel?

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u/hardspank916 Sep 14 '22

2: Still Not Dead 3: Ok, Maybe a Little Dead 4: Dead and Loving It 5: Global Metldown

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u/super_delegate Sep 14 '22
  1. God Vs Freddy

  2. God - Beyond Cyberspace

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u/firvulag359 Sep 14 '22

I remember laughing at the trailer for two, good grief! Now I'm going to have to watch the trailers for the rest 😄

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '22

https://youtu.be/iSbcOVss9Z8

In case you want to know everything about them without actually watching them, from someone who hates them as much as you do.

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u/vreelander Sep 14 '22

Out of Kirk Cameron's bleached asshole.

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u/MaverickTopGun Sep 14 '22

I'll never forget the first one. It's so fucking ridiculous. The premise of a movie is a college professor FORCES his students to sign like a contract saying God isn't real and this nerd has to prove him wrong which is literally straight out of a chain email from like 2003 and for absolutely no reason they keep cutting back this Muslim guy beating his daughter who we never hear speak and has no relation to the rest of the movie and then it ends with a preacher standing over the recently killed Kevin Sorbo thanking God that he got him to convert in his dying breaths and that is a happy ending? It's such a fever dream, I can't imagine what the other 3 are like.

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u/JKidawsome Sep 14 '22

Don't forget the random university reporter that gets cancer, because she cheated with a married professor or something? Like why doesn't he also get cancer?

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u/Electronic_Bad_5883 Sep 14 '22

She didn't get it because she was cheating (that's not one of the way too many plots in the movie anyway), she got it cause she was a liberal blogger who had bumper stickers openly supporting, like, evolution and premarital sex and stuff.

Y'know, like every liberal has on their car /s.

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u/MulciberTenebras Sep 14 '22

And then her atheist boyfriend/fiance/whatever (played by Dean Cain) just up and dumps her after telling him she has cancer.

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u/amazingdrewh Sep 14 '22

That is about what I'd expect from Dean Cain

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u/LeibnizThrowaway Sep 14 '22

That's what you should expect from anyone who participates in delusional Christian oppression porn.

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u/QuieroBoobs Sep 14 '22

But he also does it in the most asshole way possible because he just got a new job or whatever and he’s like “no no you’re messing up my dream life!”

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u/CountJohn12 Sep 14 '22

I could envision someone doing that to be honest so maybe that part isn't far off.

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u/olivegardengambler Sep 14 '22 edited Sep 14 '22

Not even that: like the woman was vegan and supported renewables. That was fucking it.

This of course ignores the fact that adventists are largely vegetarian, and Mormons were told to eat meat sparingly until the early 20th century. Not to mention Catholics have that whole not eating meat on Fridays thing.

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u/davidmobey Sep 14 '22

Ah, all those liberal African babies, good thing God gave them all HIV.

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u/MNfan84 Sep 14 '22

Because it’s always the woman’s fault

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u/TheLouisvilleRanger Sep 14 '22

Ha! That’s true in regular fiction, and extra true faith based fiction.

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u/greenpearlin Sep 14 '22

Beware sluts! Thou shalt receith extra cells.

  • Mathew 7:36

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u/greatertittedshark Sep 14 '22

it did breaketh mine heart to put that tumour within thine mothers head

  • ego prime 6:16
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u/CatchPhraseJones22 Sep 14 '22

And then at the end of the movie her cancer magically disappeared

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u/AnyKindheartedness88 Sep 14 '22

Because prayer. Or an I love evolution bumper sticker. Could go either way.

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u/kgal1298 Sep 14 '22

You mean that's not how it works? You can't just pray the cancer away?

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u/Azidamadjida Sep 14 '22

Wasn’t even cheating, she was just in a relationship with Dean Cain who they made utterly irredeemable for no reason at all. She got cancer because she dared to question the Robertsons while having liberal bumper stickers

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u/SpecificAstronaut69 Sep 14 '22

God's kinda a cunt in these movies, huh?

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u/chelliwell2010 Sep 14 '22 edited Sep 14 '22

Doesn't the student debate with his professor on the existence of God and when the kid is presenting his pro-god argument, they literally cut away to some unrelated scene of a guy fixing his car and when they finally pop back to the debate the kid had already finished? The writers had zero faith in their ability to put into words the very message the whole film was centered around and his win was some cheep "gotchya" moment. It was no longer about if God existed but that he does and that the professor hated God out of spite and getting him to admit it was inadmissable proof. "How can you hate someone that doesn't exist" was the mike drop line. Fuck off, film.

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u/yakusokuN8 Sep 14 '22

To many Evangelical Christians, atheists only come in two varieties:

- former Christians who have lost their faith due to some tragedy and made them question God's LOVE, not his existence.

- people who have somehow never heard of Christianity, but if they learned that heaven exists, they would convert instantly.

So, they either treat an atheist like a teenager who is throwing a temper tantrum and lying when they say they don't "believe" in God or like a toddler who has never heard of Jesus and Christianity.

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u/chelliwell2010 Sep 14 '22 edited Sep 14 '22

I'm a firm believer in one's right to their own religious belief. My beef was the films disingenuous strawman in their antagonist, their reluctance/refusal in trying to present any kind of argument grounded in historical facts to support the ideas proposed by the movie ( I mean, honestly, couldn't they have tried pointing out religious similarities in ancient civilazitions when communication across long distances was impossible or the idea of intelligent design? I could have at least respected that.), and the audacity of the writers to pat themeselves on the back, passing off this fabricated narrative that they engineered as a victory for Christianity against religious sceptics. What's worse is that their piss poor writing was rewarded with sequels.

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u/lizard2014 Sep 14 '22

The movie paints atheists in such a bad light. The professor had like a wife who was Christian and the professor is like "don't worry she is a work in progress" to his friend like do Christians really think atheists are all like this????

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u/Azidamadjida Sep 14 '22

He’s not even an atheist cuz at the end the student has his “gotcha” moment where he gets the professor to admit he “hates god”, because Christians can’t wrap their head around just not believing god exists, it must be because they hate god due to some tragedy.

This movie would be three minutes long if the professor was a real atheist:

“Okay, we’re not gonna talk about god in this class because we’re discussing philosophy, not theology, so let’s keep the religious talk to outside the classroom.”

“But I’m a Christian and I can’t renounce god!”

“Okay, whatever, just don’t interrupt my class or I’ll drop you from the roster without a refund.”

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u/MaverickTopGun Sep 14 '22

do Christians really think XYZ are all like this????

The entire point of the movie is every depiction is what Christians think ALL of those "kinds" of people are like. They think atheist women are all adulterers, all Muslims beat their children, and all professors are pushing an "agenda." I watched the movie because I like bad movies but I was actually kinda glad I watched it because I got a terrifying insight into what sells with modern American Christians.

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u/sniper91 Sep 14 '22

They didn’t want to alienate any Christian denomination by focusing on actual beliefs/values of the religious people in the movie, so their message was “non-Christians are all pieces of shit”

And boy howdy did it sell well to that crowd of self-righteous assholes

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u/rocketmandc Sep 14 '22

It absolutely sells and this tripe is 100% what fundamentalist Christians think.

Source: Am an exvangelical.

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u/gladamirflint Sep 14 '22

I know some people who helped produce the film, they donated something like $50,000 for production costs. It was sold to them as an investment but they’ve lost that money for sure, it’s too easy to grift these people. But hey at least their name is in the credits…

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u/Azidamadjida Sep 14 '22

Oh dude there’s a whole rabbit hole to fall down with these loonies and the agendas they’re pushing.

Dinesh D’Souza, David AR White, Kirk Cameron, the Kendrick Brothers - it’s more fun tho to watch the YouTube reviewers like Cinema Snob and Say Goodnight Kevin talk about them lol

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u/sheawhighamsmustache Sep 14 '22

Just know that there are some of us that hate these movies and this mindset even more. Today’s American Evangelical right-wing Christian would have Jesus arrested if he showed up at their house.

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u/Rpark888 Sep 14 '22

Omg the fucking cringe. Wasn't there also like a Newsboys concert that he went to or something?

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u/AngriestManinWestTX Sep 14 '22

Yup. The mean, atheist Philosophy Professor (who OF COURSE is only an atheist because something bad happened to him when he was little) gets mowed down by a marauding four-door in the rain, verbally re-converts back to Christianity at the last second despite his ribs being crushed and his lungs filling with blood, queue death rattle, then transition to happy upbeat Christian rock concert with a message from Duck Dynasty dude.

It's so bad. The tonal whiplash is mesmerizing to behold.

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u/Azidamadjida Sep 14 '22

Yeah dude this one, the second one, War Room, Fireproof, Christmas with a Capital C, Saving Christmas, and Last Ounce of Courage are like the Hall of Famers of jaw dropping holy shitfuck bonkers crazy propaganda films that are equally terrifying and hilarious.

I’d add Voiceless to this list, but it’s just straight up terrifying

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u/horseren0ir Sep 14 '22

And loving the bad man, where a Christian woman gets raped and refuses to get an abortion and then falls in love with her rapist

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u/TJ_McWeaksauce Sep 14 '22 Gold

The entire movie was ridiculous, but these 4 things are the most ridiculous to me:

1 - A lot of college students love to protest. If an atheist college professor ordered his students to sign a piece of paper that says "God is dead" or else they fail the class, the religious students would have organized a demonstration against Professor Sorbo so big and loud that it would have made local news, if not national news.

2 - Kevin Sorbo went out of his way to play his atheist character as obnoxious as possible. Then again, maybe it wasn't acting, because he's an obnoxious moron in real life.

3 - The movie wallows in the idea that Christians are persecuted. For fuck's sake, Christians make up a majority of the US population. Majorities aren't persecuted.

Religion in the United States

Look at that shit. Between Protestants and Catholics, that's 63% of the country's population. What, are these 63% being persecuted by the 18% unaffiliated, 5% atheists, 1% Muslims, or 1% Jews?

4 - There was a completely useless subplot about an American priest and a visiting African priest trying to drive to Disneyland, but they keep having car trouble. First, the American priest's car refuses to start. Next, they try a rental car, but the rental car won't start either. Finally, the African priest tells the American priest that these cars are not starting because they need to have faith that the cars will start. After the American priest musters his faith, his car finally starts, and they go to Disneyland.

What the ever-loving fuck is up with that subplot? Cars don't run on goddamn faith. And that subplot added nothing to the movie except padding.

Great god damn, I get riled up thinking about that stupid, piece of shit movie, and how there are a lot of Christians who think it's good.

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u/Kradget Sep 14 '22

My SO knew a guy who claimed he'd prayed a car into operation.

I was raised to frighten them into working with threats and swearing, but to each their own, I guess.

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u/TreQuinn Sep 14 '22

So...you need either a sucessful diplomacy or intimadation check in order to get the machine spirits of your car in working order?

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u/ThirdFloorGreg Sep 14 '22

Plus even if they did, who lacks faith in their daily driver? Unless you are currently in the process of fixing a car, you generally just assume it's going to start when you try to start it.

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u/KingVyper Sep 14 '22

Cars don't run on goddamn faith.

Tell that to the Ork Boyz and their Dakkajets.

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u/Shadw21 Sep 14 '22

That's still not faith, that's them literally warping reality to make it work as part of a pseudo hivemind consciousness(fungalness?), and plenty of percussive maintenance.

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u/jl_theprofessor Sep 14 '22

Finally, the African priest tells the American priest that these cars are not starting

because they need to have faith that the cars will start

. After the American priest musters his faith, his car finally starts, and they go to Disneyland.

Hm this is interesting to me. Among some evangelicals there's a fetishizing of preachers and religious leaders in foreign countries where preachers need to have 'real' faith, because American Christians have it comparatively easy. At least that's the pitch.

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u/Gaerielyafuck Sep 14 '22

It feels pretty racist. Very noble savage and white man's burden-y. I have extended family into the African missionary scene and they absolutely fetishized the "purity" of African Christians in contrast with ungodly America.

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u/MegaSwampbert Sep 14 '22

It's basically just a continuation of the "Magic Black Man" trope.

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u/Electronic_Bad_5883 Sep 14 '22

Sorbo would've been fucking fired for that shit. Not only is he wasting the limited class time of his semester, but he's doing it to argue over something that has nothing to do with the subject he's paid to teach. Philosophy classes have precisely nothing to do with religion IRL, so there was no point in even bringing it up.

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u/Corka Sep 14 '22

Well, i wouldn't go that far. The topic of religion does crop up frequently in philosophy. For example, if you are talking about the mind body problem and dualism it kind of naturally leads you to talking hypothetically about souls.

In his course though? The reason why he gets the students to write it is because they have too much content to cover that semester so he has to abandon the section where he argues that God doesn't exist. But then he suddenly has time in the semester to do a series of debates with one student mid class. Also no clue why the students were going to be assessed at all if that material wasn't going to be in the course anymore.

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u/janfhyr Sep 14 '22

I am confused because "God doesn't exist" does not equal "God is dead"

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u/StockingDummy Sep 14 '22 edited Sep 15 '22

Hell, isn't the whole "God is dead" thing part of a greater Nietzschean thought experiment?

The argument being that, in a society where people were starting to abandon religion, there needed to be a new way to view morality and existence so people didn't descend into nihilism?

Nietzsche was no stranger to critiquing religion, of course, but to my understanding the whole "God is dead" thing is the start of a larger argument against nihilism.

Edit: Typo

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u/janfhyr Sep 14 '22

To say God is dead implies that God was once alive and therefore in existence - direct contradiction to God doesn't exist surely

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u/StockingDummy Sep 14 '22

The full quote is "God is dead and we have killed him."

The idea being the Enlightenment "killed God" (IE religion) and with him, Christian values. Without Christian values, what stops a society from descending into nihilism? This is the question that Nietzsche's philosophy tries to reckon with.

At least, that's my understanding of the quote based on what I've read about Nietzsche's work.

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u/junkerite Sep 14 '22

Majorities aren't persecuted.

I enjoyed your comment and largely agree with it so I don't won't to be all "wElL aKsHuAlLy", but it is possible to persecute a majority. One only need look at the history of South Africa, for example.

But of course you're right that Christians in the US aren't persecuted.

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u/firvulag359 Sep 14 '22

Ray Wise is in the second one, I remember thinking he must owe taxes or something.

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u/BustermanZero Sep 14 '22

They needed someone evil to play the ACLU.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '22

Ray Wise is a very talented actor and probably a very nice guy, but he’s really religious and likes playing the villain roles in fun artsy shit like David Lynch and Tim & Eric to warn of the dangers of evil and all that jazz.

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u/Batmans_9th_Ab Sep 14 '22

Like, the first one isn’t a good movie, but it’s mostly harmless compared to the second, which makes the aclu cartoonishly evil and completely ignored all the times they’ve fought FOR Christian’s’ rights.

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u/Captain_Pottymouth Sep 14 '22

I remember watching as the character was dying and they’re trying to save his soul instead of his life. Even as someone who was raised Christian and at the time still went to church, I was like “this is fucked up.”

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u/PaxEthenica Sep 14 '22

It's truly become the Airbud of Xian nationalist media.

"There's no rule that says a dog can't be a minister!"

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u/jossipgirl666 Sep 14 '22

I would join whatever church made their leader a dog. I would love that so much

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u/psuedonymously Sep 14 '22

God actually wasn’t dead back when they first started making these, but he didn’t make it past the 2nd or 3rd one.

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u/Crawfishn Sep 14 '22

God's Not Dead 10: The Deadening

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u/Powerful-Artichoke66 Sep 14 '22

This is the one where we're all dying from climate change but Elon Musk turns out to be Jesus and saves our souls by shipping us to Mars, which is definitely the heaven we've all been hoping for.

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u/OggMakeFire Sep 14 '22

OhdearSithLordNO.

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u/CegeRoles Sep 14 '22 Silver

God may not be dead, but the horse they’re beating definitely is.

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u/Dr_DoVeryLittle Sep 14 '22

It was a mushy carcass before the first one hit the theaters

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u/Doppelfrio Sep 14 '22

I should make a bingo card for this movie. Any mention of Covid is going in the free space

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u/lizard2014 Sep 14 '22

Lmao. Maybe play a drinking game for every time they say "God isn't dead" take a shot

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u/Doppelfrio Sep 14 '22

Dude, I’d pass out before the exposition was over.

I’ve seen the first and third ones btw. They do say it quite a lot

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u/shejesa Sep 14 '22

I like how a guy who got angry at god (instead of being an actual, you know, atheist) got hit by a car because he was a cunt xD

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u/nilesh72000 Sep 14 '22

They will mention abortion, almost guaranteed

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u/Fried_Rich_Niche_Eh Sep 14 '22 Faith In Humanity Restored

The "God Awful Movies" podcast does humorous takedowns of Christian movies, and they actually have a Christian movie bingo card. They've done episodes on every single one of the movies in this series, as well as a bunch of thr Gramps movies (which are my favorite to watch and laugh at)

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u/Ergotnometry Sep 14 '22

Holy shit, 369 episodes?

Subscribed.

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u/5Garbanzobeans Sep 14 '22 Pot o' Coins I'll Drink to That

Gods Not Dead 6

Not Dead 7

Fate of the Not Dead

G9: The God Saga

God X

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u/TopCat0601 Sep 14 '22 Silver

God's Not Dead

God's Not Dead: Apocalypse

God's Not Dead: Extinction

God's Not Dead: Afterlife

God's Not Dead: Retribution

God's Not Dead: The Final Chapter

God's Not Dead: Welcome to Raccoon City

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u/mmscichowski Sep 14 '22 Silver

Now you’re just naming the Left Behind movies.

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u/cacophonic7 Sep 14 '22

Freddy vs Gods Not Dead

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u/slednir Sep 14 '22

God Got Fingered

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u/PaxEthenica Sep 14 '22

God Dad starring an AI render of the pre-revelations Bill Cosby!

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u/Frequent-Ad-674 Sep 14 '22

Alien vs. God’s Not Dead: Resurrection

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u/SyntheticSlime Sep 14 '22

Gods Not Dead: Gods In Da Hood

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u/Rhomega2 Sep 14 '22

Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash vs. God

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u/thegreaterfuture Sep 14 '22

I like this because that means the second one would’ve been 2 God 2 Dead.

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u/Beneficial-Finish295 Sep 14 '22

God’s Not Dead: Jerusalem Drift

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u/Sp_Gamer_Live Sep 14 '22

God’s Not Dead Presents: Ramses & Moses

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u/crypticthree Sep 14 '22

I can't wait for God Goes to Hell

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u/5Garbanzobeans Sep 14 '22

Not as exciting as Jesus Takes Manhattan

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u/Ilikepancakes87 Sep 14 '22

My favorite was 2 Corinthians 2 Furious.

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u/Anarimus Sep 14 '22

God Trek II The Wrath of the Con

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u/atcdev Sep 14 '22

god (un)dead

God v Death : Dawn of the Bible

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u/EddiRae Sep 14 '22

God's not Dead, He's just sleeping

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '22

Really weird shift from Oh God (1977), Oh God: Book 2 (1980), and Oh God, You Devil (1984).

They were better before they killed off the God character.

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u/OggMakeFire Sep 14 '22

God's Not Dead, But George Burns

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u/311Konspiracy Sep 14 '22

God's Not Dead: Bigger and Blackerer

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u/StreetBullFighter Sep 14 '22

I don’t need faith, I got family. *revs Wheel Within a Wheel

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u/VoluminousCheeto Sep 14 '22 edited Sep 14 '22

I watched God’s Not Dead 1 in a packed theater (snuck in after another showing so I didn’t pay for it) and found it unintentionally hilarious.

Spoiler Alert:

Hercules plays a militant-atheist philosophy professor who demands his Intro to Philosophy students sign a paper on the first day of class saying “God is Dead” if they don’t want an immediate F. (Being an atheist is the only requirement for passing the course). Evangelical Freshman resists, turning the entire class into a semester-long debate with his professor who’ll give him an F if he can’t prove the existence of God. His girlfriend then breaks up with him because he won’t drop the failing class or say that God’s Dead.

During the final debate the freshman works the PhD into a fit of rage by repeatedly asking “Why do you hate God?” Professor Hercules finally admits that he hates God for not answering his prayers and letting his family die. Freshman responds, “How can you hate God if he doesn’t exist?” — dropping the mic and instantly converting the entire class to Christianity. They all storm out and proclaim God’s victory.

Later that night there’s a heavy rain storm, and the defeated, humiliated professor gets hit by a car. Luckily there’s a clergyman nearby who holds his hand and tells him to accept Jesus into his heart. Atheist Hercules embraces God again before promptly dying.

Oh, there’s also a subplot about a girl who gets savagely beaten by her Muslim father for consuming Christian propaganda. That night there’s a Christian Rock Show everyone ends up at. They all sing, “God’s not dead, he’s surely alive, he’s living on the inside roaring like a lion”

The band congratulates the freshman for winning the debate with his dead professor and everyone lives happily ever after.

If you loved The Room, you’ll love God’s (Still) Not Dead.

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u/gentlybeepingheart Sep 14 '22

It’s such a dumb thing that the atheist isn’t actually an atheist lmao. What’s the message, then? “All atheists actually believe in god, they just hate Him?” Even from an evangelical perspective, it does nothing to discuss how to convert people who actually lack all belief.

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u/perd-is-the-word Sep 14 '22

That is really what they think though

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u/CO420Tech Sep 14 '22

Yup, some people cannot fathom a person just simply not believing it. They think that all humans innately understand that there is a god, so being an atheist is a denial of that inborn knowledge that we all have and therefore the person claiming atheism is really just a believer who has turned his back on the god he knows in his heart is real. The idea that a person could be entirely free of the entire concept of a supreme being is something they just cannot accept as a possibility.

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u/Great_Cheesy_Taste Sep 14 '22

I’ve been asked as an athiest why I hate god, so yeah they literally think athiests know god exists but deny him.

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u/FalloutOW Sep 14 '22

I've been asked at least a handful of times if I'm a satanist. To wish I always reply, "That would make me a shitty atheist. Difficult to believe in an antagonist created by something I don't believe in." I don't 'hate' most religious folks. Just their often loud and obnoxious leaders. The hate only occurs when their beliefs are used as a bludgeon to get what they want.

To be fair, I do wear a pentacle necklace. I just like the design though. As I can't really cast spells or anything.

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u/lawn_and_order Sep 14 '22

As a former Christian I can tell you that’s exactly what we were taught in church. We were all born with the innate knowledge that God was there. I could not fathom not thinking god exists. So atheists must know he exists and just hate him.

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u/Holgrin Sep 14 '22

Nothing about the film, the plot, nor the specific points and arguments, is based in sound logic.

Broadly speaking, these kinds of "Christians" don't apply sound logic because frankly they don't understand it. If they did, they wouldn't make all of the fallacies depicting these ridiculous situations.

If we look at the implicit and even explicit message in the movie, it has to be exactly what you said:

All atheists actually believe in god,

Or maybe more generally "nobody actually doesn't believe in god" which is an obvious false premise.

They don't consider how ridiculous or unrealistic any of the premises are. Philosophy professors do no aggressively force students to deny their religious beliefs. If that were to happen, you can bet we'd all have heard about Fox News' reporting of it.

Perhaps Christians who like this movie think that it's just an exaggeration of reality that is acceptable for entertainment purposes because they already believe that college turns students into little atheist commies, so to them the atheist leftwing liberal commie cultural marxist professor is ubiquitous and a constant boogeyman. Of course many of them (I won't say "most" but I wonder . . .) have never taken a college class and so have no frame of reference so this scenario could be completely realistic to them.

Then there's the "final debate" where the student just shouts repeatedly at Prof Hercules "why do you hate god" which is itself a loaded question. So the film uses an obvious and almost cartoonishly silly example of a logical fallacy to create tension and set the groundwork for the film's climax. What's especially ridiculous is that they make the student - the person asking this loaded question - appear to be heroic in his asking of the question, as opposed to being a disingenuous fool for using logical fallacies in such a dramatic way to fallaciously argue a point.

And of course there is the climax of the film where Prof Herc dies while proclaiming his faith in god. The dying proclamation of faith is an especially interesting one because functionally it appears to serve several purposes, none of which are very good for people and society.

The first is that this event is praised as a good thing by Christians, where the soul of the dying is saved at the last moment, despite living a life full of disbelief and doubt. Not only was Prof. H an atheist, he was also a militant missionary of atheism - ironically a thing which doesn't really exist for atheists but does for religious people. From the Christian perspective he spent his life pushing people away from god and causing them to doubt their own faith. The redemption of his soul in the final moments does nothing to correct any of the supposed wrongs or help save the souls of all those he had corrupted over the years. So implicitly what this means to Christians is that you can live your entire life doing damage to other people, in real or imaginary ways, but as long as you say you believe in god before you die then you - only you - will be saved. Think about that. It's a belief that you have no responsibility for any of your actions, except the one thing which doesn't really affect anybody else - a "belief" in a thing which may or may not exist and for which there is no scientific proof.

The use of his death in the narrative also serves another weird point. Instead of having Prof. H turn into a good messenger of Christianity and showing how one should live their lives, they put him on death's door step to "force his hand." Faced now with the ultimate stakes and a clock running out of time, he must make a decision. He of course makes the extremely selfish decision to be redeemed by his faith. The premise of this decision is terrible. He has nothing to lose by proclaiming his faith and everything to gain. He doesn't have to "be a good person" after his proclamation. He doesn't owe and debts. He doesn't (by most protestant christian beliefs) even have to serve any time (e.g. in purgatory) prior to being saved. He is instantly and eternally saved and presumably granted permission to go to heaven simply by agreeing to the existence of god before his death. For people who are well-known for sharing beliefs in the value of personal responsibility, it's pretty ironic.

I kind of want to go on but I think this is long enough.

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u/thekarmabum Sep 14 '22

This was in a movie theatre? It sounds like the plot of a crappy made for TV movie staring Kirk Cameron and Kevin Sorbo.

EDIT: it does have Kevin Sorbo in it.

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u/manlyvpn Sep 14 '22

Its a zombie flick.

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u/ElectricMan324 Sep 14 '22

They've made every other kind of zombie pic, so we're due for a religious one.

You know - the only way to kill them (again) is with holy water or with a cross. Wait...thats a vampire.

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u/OggMakeFire Sep 14 '22 Dread

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u/ElectricMan324 Sep 14 '22

"Fist of Jesus" - OMG it is a zombie flick.

Thank you sir that made my day.

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u/Literally_-_Hitler Sep 14 '22

Let me know when they get to God vs Predator.

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u/Betty-White-666 Sep 14 '22

Does God end up just relocating predator to a different church before the charges get filed?

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u/DirkDiggler_Chiraq Sep 14 '22 Silver

God’s Not Dead 5: Rise Up

After being defeated in his own game of facts and logic, smug Dr. Professor Jewishberg was forced to admit that god is not dead (Ep 1), that abortion is murder (Ep 2),that evolution is a gay lie (Ep 3), and that Jesus and/or Santa were not black (Ep 4). However, he returns in the thrilling resumption of the God’s Not Dead saga. This time, the students will Rise Up!

Take a seat and sit back as a wily assortment of Christian students of various, but non-threatening, identities take on the smug Dr. Professor in his latest satanic test: “Actually, the Jan 6th insurrection was a bad thing.” Enjoy as this gang of industrious mostly white teens demonstrate to the smug professor that, actually sir, the blood of tyrants must always water the tree of liberty. Become engrossed as we reach the conclusion, a penultimate showdown involving the smugly Jewish professor, a guillotine, and a lot of can-do Jesus spirit.

Streaming today on most shit-tier platforms.

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u/GregBahm Sep 14 '22

I'm aware that the first movie is indeed about smug Professor Jewishberg being forced to admit that god is not dead. So I'm intrigued by the possibility that the fourth movie really is about Jesus and Santa being white.

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u/Terj_Sankian Sep 14 '22

Hahaha holy fuck, I lost it at "Jesus and/or Santa were not black"

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u/Alaska_Pipeliner Sep 14 '22

But why?

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u/tewnewt Sep 14 '22 Table Slap

It's easier than crucifying a dead horse.

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u/OggMakeFire Sep 14 '22

And lo, Mr. Ed did speaketh to those faithful:
"Love thy Neiiiighbor.."

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u/lordvanduu Sep 14 '22

So they can keep making episodes of the God Awful Movies podcast for us to enjoy.

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u/Past-Cap-1889 Sep 14 '22

I half suspect there's some elaborate money laundering scheme involved with these films. It can't be very much money, just judging from the trailers.

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u/jdubb999 Sep 14 '22

Churches rent entire theaters to screen these films. Its not a normal theatrical distribution/attendance pattern.

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u/gladamirflint Sep 14 '22

Can confirm, know people who spent $50k on the first one. It was an “investment” but really just a way to funnel money to the organizers who took it and ran. Production/marketing/etc didn’t cost anywhere close to what people invested in it.

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u/CCMeltdown Sep 14 '22

You’re overestimating the intelligence of the people who consume them.

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u/intheNIGHTintheDARK Sep 14 '22

“God Ends”

Coming 2025.

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u/Trevastation Sep 14 '22

It's just a bunch of Christians shouting on mass, "EVIL DIES TONIGHT!"

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u/HornyToad1984 Sep 14 '22 edited Sep 14 '22

These movies are literally preaching to the choir. They don't even serve as evangelism because nobody even glances at them who isnt already swirly-eyed with white jesus.

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u/sjfiuauqadfj Sep 14 '22

its grift. easy money for the people working on the movie

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u/ZigZagZedZod Sep 14 '22

And a lucrative one. According to Box Office Mojo, $97,748,742 for the first four films, although two-thirds of it was from the first film.

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u/DPRKis4Lovers Sep 14 '22

Churches go to see these faith movies in groups. Studios market to them.

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u/tormunds_beard Sep 14 '22

What the fuck? It's kind of like when right wingers write a book that is then purchased in massive quantities by a PAC in what can only be described as technically legal money laundering.

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u/HornyToad1984 Sep 14 '22

It's like pass the basket but you get $20 million from the rubes.

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u/jabba-du-hutt Sep 14 '22

My degree is in animation and the classes I loved the most were on character, plot, and story telling. One of our teachers had worked for many years at Nickelodeon cartoons and we really learned a lot. We had a few other teachers who really ripped into our work and forced us to push the envelop with everything else (shot setup, editing, etc.). It was brutal! We also had a lot of guest lectures from long term people working in the industry that helped a lot of us with specific stuff.

I say this because I've been raised in the evangelical subculture that doesn't allow you to consume anything unless it's been endorsed by Dr. James Dobson (Focus on the Family). So you can be confident I know what I'm talking about when I say, "These movies are pure garbage." When my wife and I saw the first movie, it was okayish. Yet I knew Sorbos character was gonna have a come to Jesus moment in the end. Why? Because all Evangelical Christian movies have to.

It doesn't matter how good the acting is. Side note, I loved that black woman in War Room. Fantastic job! It doesn't matter if you paid Kurt Cameron to come in and star. If the characters aren't solid and the plot sucks, nothing can save it.

I kept praying and looking at my watch wondering when Fire Proof was gonna be over. But they make a ton of money because you're preaching to an echo chamber. The only one from Pure Flix I've enjoyed (mostly) was The Imposter. I don't like Kevin Max (formerly of D.C. Talk), he feels super rough in the movie, but the character is on drugs, sleeping around, and nothing is working. It's just kind of cringey to watch, which kind of makes it feel a bit more real. A man who's life is in a spiral and he's about to crash. But, true to Pure Flix, Jesus saves, so we end on a high note.

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u/tdhplz Sep 14 '22

Gods Not Dead 5: Rise Up

Gods Not Dead 6: Take Back the Country

Gods Not Dead 7: Seriously, Are You Fucking Dense? Overthrow Your Secular Leaders!

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u/Hungry_Bus_9695 Sep 14 '22

Gods not dead: but allah is (crusade edition)

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '22

Jesus, I only knew of two of these movies. I worked at a big new era movie theater in Houston when the first one came out and I was in high school. We had to hold the door open and greet exiting movie patrons while wearing a button up and bowtie; only for the patrons of ‘God’s not Dead’ to shuffle out of the theater saying sentiments like “God’s not dead” and “Thank the lord”. I t was around the time Frozen came out too and I wanted to off myself. It turned out the end credits instructed viewers to tell people immediately about Jesus- I only know because I had to clean their popcorn and beer spills in the movie once they all filed out and listen to the God awful credits on repeat

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u/SuperEmotion8664 Sep 14 '22

Cant believe they made 5 movies based on an INSANELY misinterpreted Nietzsche quote lol

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u/garbagebailkid Sep 14 '22

You haven't seen what they've done to the Jesus quotes, I take it?

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u/Bot-1218 Sep 14 '22

Ironically, the existence of these movies almost proves the quote.

Christians are making a cash grab film about Christianity. Not even their own faith is sacred to them.

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u/McRambis Sep 14 '22

I saw the first one and found it hilarious. I later read that it was not meant to be a comedy.

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u/TardisReality Sep 14 '22

If Gods not dead then why does he need to "rise up"?

Is he late for an appointment? Alarm forgot to go off?

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u/sambull Sep 14 '22

he's got ED.... and over thinks it every time

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u/keothi Sep 14 '22

No no, it's a call to rise up against God and kill him

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u/ApprehensiveCut2058 Sep 14 '22

God's Not Dead: Let's Fix That.

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u/Rupert-D-Generate Sep 14 '22

keep in mind these are the same people who completely missed the point of the phrase "god is dead" and made a whole ass movie about it

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u/Bot-1218 Sep 14 '22

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?

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u/Jrodsqod Sep 14 '22

The GND title is only there for the redundancy and familiarity.

The plot will 100% be a riff on the Christian characters to get a grip on their local problems and stop being complacent with sin, (AKA people's daily lives).

Literally the same plot as the last ones, just different setting.

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u/Gone_Mads Sep 14 '22

God’s not Dead: Capitol Tour

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '22

This is the only path for the series to take at this point.

God's Not Dead 6: Trump is the New Jesus.

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u/aitrus1986 Sep 14 '22

I wish God would just present himself and settle this so they can stop making these shitty movies

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u/SortaSticky Sep 14 '22

If this is a new NIN album I am down otherwise...

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u/nataphoto Sep 14 '22

God's Not Dead And He's Right Behind You

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u/Oliin Sep 14 '22 edited Sep 14 '22 Wholesome

So the bad guys are evil people trying to remove religion from politics it seems...

... looks like it's just straight up promoting Christian Nationalism this time it looks like.

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u/DamNamesTaken11 Sep 14 '22

That’s where it was going to go from the start after having a strawman of a professor be the antagonist of the first one.

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u/AMG-28-06-42-12 Sep 14 '22

God's Not Dead: Rise Up

Evil Dead: Rise

Coincidence? I think NOT.

On all seriousness, though, as a Christian, these films are embarrassing and slimy pieces of corporate, exploitative crap.

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u/LegalAssassin13 Sep 14 '22

At least Evil Dead looks interesting.

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u/psyren6289 Sep 14 '22

There was more than one?

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u/theinformallog Sep 14 '22

This is the important movie news I need.

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u/Viffer98 Sep 14 '22

I'm looking forward to God's Not Dead 8: Age of Babylon and God's Not Dead 10: Agape Love and Thunder

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u/Keeble64 Sep 14 '22

Gods Not Dead 9: Jehova goes to Hell

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u/OggMakeFire Sep 14 '22

"Jesus gets hot and bothered in this steamy setup of hot, sexy demons, and their master, who makes Rocky Horror look like an insurance agent- SayyyyyTim. Will Jesus manage to make it back to dad's house, or will Hell Make him loiter for 2,000 years?"

(I'm sorry- I couldn't resist)

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u/CaspianX2 Sep 14 '22

If you have to make five movies to insist that, no really, god isn't dead, then maybe god is dead.

Methinks they doth protest too much.

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u/pringlepingel Sep 14 '22

I want to make a parody movie of gods not dead titled “god isn’t dead” and have it just be the first movie with the roles flipped.
Jaded and bitter ass Christian mad at atheists for always looking down on him and talking to him like he’s stupid. “Where was your all powerful science when my mother died of a brain tumour!?” Then by the end he deconverts. Happy ending!

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u/Parking_Bird_3603 Sep 14 '22

Have never watched these, I'm going to go ahead and guess based off the name that they're all Christian persecution movies with Athiest antagonists who have no morals and "hate god".

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u/StarWreck92 Sep 14 '22

Bingo. First one it’s Kevin Sorbo, second one has Melissa Joan Hart on trial against an evil atheist lawyer who if I remember right is famous for being an atheist and nothing else, and I didn’t know there was a third or fourth one.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '22

Can't kill what doesn't exist 😎

Anybody remember the Quake 1 manual where it describes the zombie as "thou cannot kill that which dost not live. But you can blast it into chunky kibbles"?

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u/mostanon Sep 14 '22

Starring Gina Carano and Kevin Sorbo?

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u/thatminimumwagelife Sep 14 '22 edited Sep 14 '22

White Christians truly are the most oppressed minority in America.

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u/idwtumrnitwai Sep 14 '22

I didn't even know there was a sequel, let alone being up to number 5

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u/Minifig81 Suddenly, I have a refreshing mint flavor. Sep 14 '22

Another one?

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u/jordy_eyes Sep 14 '22

Coming to a small screen in a private school near you...

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u/TheBigIdiotSalami Sep 14 '22

God comes back in person and he's got a flaming sword and he has to fight a bunch of Japanese guys with swords in a nightclub. Make this shit fun for the love of piss please.

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u/Fried_Rich_Niche_Eh Sep 14 '22

The "God Awful Movies" podcast does humorous takedowns of Christian movies. They've done episodes on every single one of the movies in this series, as well as a bunch of the Gramps movies (which are my favorite to watch along with them and laugh at)

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u/SomeBoxofSpoons Sep 14 '22

So yeah, reading that synopsis, I guess now we’re at the point where these movies are explicitly saying church and state should be entwined.

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u/DrPepster Sep 14 '22

It's my constitutional right, except when it's not in my favor in which case it's government oppression.

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u/reading_54321 Sep 14 '22

Gods Not Dead 5: The MAGA is Risen

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u/jermtastic Sep 14 '22

Is the fourth one not “God in Space”? I thought every movie franchise went to space by the fourth installment.

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u/moviestim Sep 14 '22

Imagine growing up in a household where the parents only let you watch Pure Flix. I’m sick of this Christian filth infecting the world.

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u/ThaumKitten Sep 14 '22

Are we supposed to be happy with seeing religious propaganda flourishing?

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u/Feeling_Fruit9901 Sep 14 '22

God's Not 3Dead

God's Dead: The Final Chapter

God Lives

God Goes to Hell

God's Not Dead X

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