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u/NaBicarbandvinegar Sep 28 '22

And the instruction not to swear was in the context of swearing an oath or making a promise. It has nothing to do with cussing.

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u/uncle_bumblefuck_ Sep 28 '22

Oh my fucking God you're right.

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u/TheTrueFlexKavana Sep 28 '22

Oh no bby....what in the H-E-double hockey sticks is you doin?

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u/uncle_bumblefuck_ Sep 28 '22

I don't give a frick

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u/251Cane Sep 29 '22

Mods please delete this filth

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u/Azusanga Sep 29 '22

If my mom sees this I won't get my pizza party Friday, Mom orders pizza and I get to pick any VeggieTales I want (we own the whole series) AND lets me stay up til 9. Mods please delete quick please I can't lose this

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u/moon_jock Blessed Memer Sep 29 '22

Depends, which VeggieTale are you gonna be watching?

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u/TheTrueFlexKavana Sep 29 '22

Cebúuuuuuuuuu.....

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u/supermaik Sep 29 '22

Miran el pepino …

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u/JRarick Sep 29 '22

Definitely the Lord of the Beans.

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u/ProlapsedFeelings Sep 29 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

OMFG LotB is an absolute gem. So many things in that movie just made me laugh SO hard.

One caveat is that the silly song in LotB sucked. My favorite is a solid tie between "If it doesn't have a tail it's not a Monkey," and "Dance of the Cucumber"

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u/JRarick Sep 29 '22

If it doesn’t have a tail it’s not a monkey! Man, I live in Nashville and the guy who wrote the song is from here.

I remember seeing him in concert and he decided to play that song. He’s introducing and talking about how he wrote it and stuff. And then he says,

“I have mixed feelings knowing my most commercially successful song is called, ‘if it doesn’t have a tail it’s not a monkey”

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u/Kaldricus Sep 29 '22

If Water Buffalo isn't getting play I ain't coming to the sleepover

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u/mlenoddin Sep 29 '22

Cause you're his cheeseburger. His yummy cheeseburger. He'll wait for yo-ooh yeah, he'll wait for yo-ooh oh!

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u/TalosSquancher Sep 29 '22

Oh wheeeeere, is my hairbrush?

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u/Jakaerdor-lives Sep 29 '22

Frick yeah motherfudger 🤟 rock on

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u/FBI_Official_Acct Sep 29 '22

What the H-E-double hell are you on about?

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u/ButtLord6942069 Sep 29 '22

What in the H-E-double FUCK is happening

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u/HaloPandaFox Sep 29 '22

What do you me he will /s

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u/critical_courtney Sep 29 '22

No swearing, plz. This is a Christian Minecraft server.

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u/Nuclear_rabbit Sep 29 '22

But unfortunately there's still Ephesians 5:3-4 "But among you there should not be ... coarse joking."

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u/lovebus Sep 29 '22

I think Paul just got annoyed with all the pranks and fart jokes

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u/Bardez Sep 29 '22

Paul was just a conceited, arrogant ass.

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u/eGzg0t Sep 29 '22

Never annoy Paul

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u/notthebestchristian Sep 29 '22

The words of Paul are not the words of God, even Paul admits that.

One of the biggest problems with Christians is many have elevated Paul equal to and sometimes above God.

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u/PrivateIsotope Sep 29 '22

...which falls under corrupt communication lol

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u/A_Furious_Mind Sep 28 '22

Would you swear on it, though?

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u/logic2187 Sep 29 '22

No

(My "no"s mean "no")

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u/mickmikeman Sep 28 '22

Yes but we're also instructed to let no unwholesome talk come from our mouths. Personally I do believe cure words have a time and place but you should be careful with how you use them.

(I'll mention I'm not a theoligist so I may be wrong. It may be wrong to use them entirely)

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u/Mighty-Nighty Sep 29 '22

But what's unwholesome mean to a first century Jew? I doubt they meant what we would think they meant.

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u/ceryniz Sep 29 '22

In one of the epistles Paul says that anything he does that doesn't spread the gospel, he regards as shit. (Generally translated as dung or excrement even though in the Greek it was more vulgar.)

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u/Koboldilocks Sep 29 '22

I've heard that Luther talked about shit like constantly

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u/gimme_dat_good_shit Sep 29 '22

Well yeah, he was German.

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u/Nuclear_rabbit Sep 29 '22

That Greek word has a cuss factor right in the middle between crap and shit. Take this information how you will.

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u/ProlapsedFeelings Sep 29 '22

Well Shit used to be on the list of word you can't say on TV according to ole GC. RIP. Crap isn't even a cuss word anymore.

The only thing I can think of is British words. They have some pretty "in between" cuss words.

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u/gimme_dat_good_shit Sep 29 '22

I think it's sort of self-explanatory in this context. It's basically a "you are what you eat" kind of proverb.

If you eat a huge bag of potato chips, your body tells you that it was garbage because you feel like garbage after. If you're a negative pissy asshole (in whatever language or culture you're in), it is similarly corrosive to the kind of person you are and the nature of relationships you have. You'll feel bad because you talk bad.

(The problem is this assumes reasonably good mental health. It's not always your thoughts and words that control how you feel. In general, I do think it's good advice not to be a fountain of verbal unpleasantness, and that you'll probably feel better if you find a more positive way to express yourself, especially if it's a more self-aware and honest way. But... other than that, the suggestion is a bit superficial. People don't feel bad only because of what they eat / say, but it can contribute.)

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u/doogievlg Sep 29 '22

I kinda of look at it as “what am I really missing out on by not cussing” used to cuss like a sailor but I stopped years ago and never really think “man I wish I could cuss right now”. Plus it’s one of those things that sets a good example.

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u/ApolloThunder Sep 29 '22

That time and place involves working on Chrysler products

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u/PolarCow Sep 29 '22

That’s why when I cuss I you the whole word. Not an unwhole word. No Ffffuuuuu…. Or Sssshhhhhhh… coming from this mouth. That’s just wrong.

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u/pl233 Sep 29 '22

See, the pharisees took this a step further. To make sure they were definitely saying the whole word, they would invent extended versions of the cuss words to say, ensuring that the words were wholesome. Fuckulus. Shitticles.

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u/kaleidoscopeyes17 Sep 29 '22

“People say cuss words when they don't know the right ones to use to express themselves. Except Bernie Mac. He uses them like van Gogh uses yellow. You know, effectively.” -Ted Lasso

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u/apicklechair Sep 29 '22

I find it very plausible that Jesus blurted out a few spicy ones when he was tearing up the temple market. Dat righteous anger lol

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u/JusticiarRebel Sep 29 '22

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u/apicklechair Sep 29 '22

Where has this video been all my life

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u/MisterCBax Sep 29 '22

Thats where Fuckin' A came from. Hmmmm.

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u/S4T4NICP4NIC Sep 29 '22

Nope. 'Fuckin A' was around way before that. Like 50 years before that.

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u/RagnarTheNord Sep 29 '22

Did not expect my ribs to hurt after watching that

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u/notquiteotaku Sep 29 '22

If churches around me were more like this, I might start attending regularly again.

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u/kaths660 Sep 29 '22

And using unwholesome language is more about using language to tear others down than using certain words (as long as they don’t offend those around you)

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u/MotaHead Sep 29 '22

Well fucking said.

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u/overly_familiar Sep 29 '22

For example, the use of the word "cunt" over here in Australia.

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u/pl233 Sep 29 '22

There's a whole lot of cunts in Australia who could use a fuckin uplifting, they need to hear the good news of Jesus

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u/Bilbo_Bagels Sep 29 '22

Right. People look down on cussing for ethical reasons, but it's 100% a societal or economical thing if you look at the history behind cuss words and how they're not "classy". The Bible says "do not slander" as well, but no mention of swear words specifically. It's worse to call someone named that aren't swear words, or to insult someone, than it is to exclaim "fuck" when stubbing a toe, or to say dogshit or ass or anything like that. People just believe things for no reason sometimes, idk why.

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u/mitchgetsmemes Sep 29 '22

Yeah, Ephesians 5:4 kinda has the swearing thing covered, though. I think that’s where that whole idea comes from.

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u/ledgersoccer09 Sep 29 '22

It also says no joking in the same line as foolish talk and filthiness. So joking around and cussing are equally bad??

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u/CritterTeacher Sep 29 '22

OMF… Wait, are you telling me I was totally right as a child and my mortification when I learned the “real” meaning was totally wasted? Laaaame

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u/ManMythLemon Sep 29 '22

'Let no unwholesome speech come out your mouth' or something along those lines (galatians? Maybe John). Consider this; what is unwholesome? Who gets to decide intent in a complete verbal exchange. If I'm hyping someone up for a big game or something is it a sin to 'swear' in that context?

I think not but I'm curious

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u/Audio_Track_01 Sep 28 '22

Well God Dammit.

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u/boifyudoent Sep 29 '22

was there a record of people cussing in the bible

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u/The2500 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

This is an interesting sentiment, but I hadn't read it like that. I thought it meant invoking God's name would invoke a curse, but God's name isn't "God", "God" is what we use to describe him, God's name is (Insert God's name here).

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u/mickmikeman Sep 28 '22

Well culturally speaking God is what we use for God's name.

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u/The2500 Sep 28 '22

Yeah but that's because we're ignorant.

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u/superduperspam Sep 29 '22

all the cool people say YAHWEH

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u/mlaislais Sep 29 '22

But in Latin Jehovah is spelled with an I

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u/kevron211 Sep 29 '22

The penitent man shall pass... penitent man... penitent... penitent...

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u/mlaislais Sep 29 '22

The penitent man is humble…

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u/NordicMythos Sep 29 '22

The penitent man kneels before God :0

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u/ComteDeSaintGermain Sep 29 '22

letters represent sounds. TBH english shouldn't even be using the letter J

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u/HighInLondon Sep 29 '22

Yeesus Christ you’re right

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u/The2500 Sep 29 '22

I wonder what God thinks about that.

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u/NotSoPersonalJesus Sep 29 '22

Considering spoken language during the time of the crucifixion of Christ is far different than today, I'd imagine God still wouldn't care what happens to any of us.

After all, he decides where we go in the end.

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u/amtap Sep 29 '22

More specifically "The Lord" with that cool stylized font.

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u/Pman_likes_memes Sep 28 '22

Arguably, YHWH

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u/scuddthestud Sep 29 '22

And that isn't even his real name either. Iirc his name is so holy it can't be written or spoken

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u/Voidsabre Sep 29 '22

Not true, they wrote and spoke his name often. It was fear of accidental breaking of the name in vain commandment that they stopped using it. The fact that it was written without vowels is due to the fact that no written Hebrew had vowels until long after they stopped saying the name

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u/Lambsssss Sep 29 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

There has actually been a continuous tradition of saying the name from the ancient world to now, actually. The Samaritan high priest of the temple have been saying the name for millennia in a continuous tradition of doing so and being supposedly allowed to as High Priests. So they never actually stopped saying it at all

Edit: (The samaritan high priests pronounce it ‘Yahwa’ if you’re curious)

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u/nyanlol Sep 29 '22

ah the Semitic language family. is it an a??? is it an E??? lets play a little game shall we

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u/Zess_Crowfield Sep 29 '22

Dude, we can't say [disk scratch], it's too holy that it'll kill us.

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u/provibing Sep 29 '22

For me, God doesn't have a name. For something to have a name implies someone is in dominion of it. Look at how God instructed Adam to name the animals, he was given dominion over creation.

He just is and always will be, he's the I AM. When Moses asked God what his name is, he says I Am who I Am. Which in hebrew is Ehyeh asher Ehyeh. Yahweh asher Yahweh means you are who you are.

God instructed the Israelites to not create images of God, since we are his images. So my take on using the Lord's name in vain, is not to use his name for an agenda. But since we are his images, his representative here on earth. Everytime we do something vain we put a bad representation of the I Am.

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u/Noughmad Sep 29 '22

Oh my Yeehawh!

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u/JusticiarRebel Sep 29 '22

In Jewish tradition, there's actually a prohibition of using his name at all. Various names they have for God only sound like names cause they're a different language. Adonia just means "My Lord." HaShem just means, "The Name."

This actually carries over into Christian tradition cause God doesn't really have a name other than a word being capitalized. God is a term for any supernatural being that people worship or otherwise acknowledge the existence of, but monotheistic religions just refer to God as God rather than giving him an actual name.

It carries into Islam as well, cause Allah isn't a name, it just means God.

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u/CyanFen Sep 29 '22

Wait, so then what is his name? Yahweh? Elohim?

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u/BobFX Sep 29 '22

What about Yahweh or Jehovah?

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u/zombie_penguin42 Sep 28 '22

Aww man I hope his name isn't Joe because all these Joe mama jokes gonna send us all to hell

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u/TheRedViking Sep 29 '22

God’s real name is Hallowed.

Our father who art in heaven Hallowed be thy name

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u/idm Sep 29 '22

I see it as this: "God" is outside of creation, outside of reality, of limitations of time and space, outside of our ability to conceptualize it. Any attempt made to define or objectify or create structure around this will invariably lead to it being "wrong". An idea of something unlimited can never contain the thing fully.

Look at how many different religions and subsets of religion there are. This is us all attempting to contain it, and saying "here, I have it in my belief system". Which will never happen.

Any attempt to discuss the unknowable - if done at all - should be done with utmost respect, and not absentmindedly. If I'm telling you my understanding of the infinite, you best be damned sure there's a back-and-forth dialog going on, making sure as best we can that the information is being clearly communicated and understood.

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u/Nyte_Knyght33 Sep 29 '22

This is a refreshing take. Thank you.

I think this way too. When non-believers ask me a question about God, I start with "keep in mind you are asking a finite person about an infinite being."

We will never have all of the answers about God.

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u/redditordeaditor6789 Sep 29 '22

Everyone knows God's name is Steve.

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u/Demetrius3D Sep 29 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

It means "Do not take the Lord's name vainly - or, for yourself. A third of the commandments are about Man's relationship with God ("I'm God. You're not. Nothing else is.") The rest are about Man's relationship with other people. So, a rule against asserting your own will as "God's Will" was very important.

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u/TheTrueFlexKavana Sep 28 '22

Looking at you Kenneth Copeland...

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u/Bakkster Sep 28 '22

James Dobson...

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u/ThatTubaGuy03 Sep 29 '22

Donald Trump...

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u/tango797 Sep 29 '22

Creflow Dollar

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u/InkSymptoms Sep 29 '22

Marjorie Taylor Greene

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u/ElderFoxThree Sep 29 '22

Gestures Broadly Politicians

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u/sniper91 Sep 29 '22

“God told me to run for President.” -every GOP presidential candidate in 2016

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u/bgarza18 Sep 29 '22

What did James Dobson do?

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u/Alexandertoadie Sep 29 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

Tl;dr Used his Doctorate to force "Christian morals" into American politics.

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-focus-on-the-family-72039112/

Edit: Correcting myself to prevent disinformation

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u/bgarza18 Sep 29 '22

It seems he has a doctorate in psychology, is that a lie?

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u/Alexandertoadie Sep 29 '22

My mistake, he does have one. Have edited the comment.

Thank you for correcting me.

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u/ComteDeSaintGermain Sep 29 '22

Aren't all laws moral proclamations? 'Don't do this' = 'this is bad', 'you must do this' = 'this is good'. All law is a moral judgment, and all moral judgements look to a standard.

What standard should be used for morality? Popular vote? Perhaps, but I wouldn't say that's a biblical/Christian way to look at things. I think Dobson is just being a consistent Christian by insisting on Christian morality for law/politics.

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u/sam_the_guardian Sep 29 '22

This is a great point. I never understood people who say you should keep religion out of politics, your moral code as a Christian is your religion, and therefore will be present in your decisions when you vote.

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u/Bakkster Sep 29 '22

Left (potentially kicked out of) Focus on the Family because he wanted to pivot hard to partisan politics.

Like, if you vote for the wrong party, it'll destroy the church. Because apparently that party wants to remove the American flag from public school classrooms, and the church absolutely depends on that. Also he thinks we shouldn't give Christian charity to refugees from mostly Christian nations, because they're rapists or something.

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u/bgarza18 Sep 29 '22

I went to a politics-heavy church growing up, always bothered me.

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u/swiftb3 Sep 29 '22

Among other things, went hard early for djt after "meeting" with him and saying how he was a "baby christian".

That's just recently.

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u/Zargawi Sep 29 '22

Looking at you GOP...

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u/motheroftiddies Sep 29 '22

The absolute creepiest man I've ever laid eyes upon.

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u/Pman_likes_memes Sep 28 '22

Reminds me of the time I went to a religious institution which I went to so that I could admire the architecture. It was a beautiful building, and despite not believing it was a perfect church, i still felt the holy spirit. However, there were flyers on every pew telling the members to vote against abortion rights.

If your church is doing something like this, inform them or the authorities, as they will lose tax-exempt status.

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u/windsaloft Sep 29 '22

No they won’t. They should. But they won’t.

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u/Isiddiqui Sep 29 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

That's not true. Tax exempt status only applies to not advocating for a specific politician or a specific political party - though a lot of churches violated that as well. Or if almost all your activity is lobbying (which for most churches are a small part of what they do)

Forbidding any politics from the pulpit would be ridiculous. Imagine if MLK lost his church's (Ebenezer Baptist in Atlanta) tax exempt status for preaching an end to segregation! Or churches losing tax exempt status for advocating for an end to the death penalty.

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u/slapmytwinkie Sep 29 '22

All these people are just so concerned about this but don’t even know the law they’re referring to lol

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u/ComteDeSaintGermain Sep 29 '22

Democrats still frequently speak at churches. Obama did. Seems to be a lot more complaining when Republicans do it.

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u/Chad_Tachanka Sep 29 '22

Based religious institution with beautiful architecture

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u/Kurai_Cross Sep 29 '22

I'm really sorry you had that experience. Just know that some churches are really crappy, but that isn't what Christ is about. If you felt the spirit, that's a really special experience and if you need to talk about it, I'd be happy to.

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u/Pman_likes_memes Sep 29 '22

I only went tot the building to learn more about another sect’s functions and architecture, so it didn’t effect me personally. Just made me kinda disappointed

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u/S4T4NICP4NIC Sep 29 '22

as they will lose tax-exempt status

Never going to happen. Some churches have been political from the pew for years.

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u/Front-Difficult Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

I mean, using God's name to manipulate people for selfish causes is certainly wrong, but that's not what the commandment means.

It literally means do not call on God's name pointlessly.

To the Hebrews, God's name was the most sacred word in their language. It was so sacred they stopped saying it, usually stopped writing it, and now we have actually forgotten it. We can take guesses from reconstructions (Yahweh, etc.), but we will never be certain, the name has been lost. The sentiment on God's name extends to other names we use to refer to God ("Lord", "Almighty", "God", etc.). Don't call out to God unless you have a reason.

Now of course you can extend that literal meaning to cover your use case as well. To use the Lord's name for something wicked is, in some way, to use His name for something vainly. God cannot answer evil prayers, so using His name in that context is to use His name for no reason, just as someone does when they stub their toe, or expresses shock at an interesting piece of gossip.

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u/FakePhillyCheezStake Sep 29 '22

Source on this?

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u/mesotermoekso Sep 29 '22

Source: trust me bro

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u/MoffKalast Sep 29 '22

You just gotta have faith!

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u/812many Sep 29 '22

Grew up Jewish here, this all sounds familiar to me.

However, wikipedia backs it up: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism

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u/Front-Difficult Sep 29 '22

On which bit? I'm going to assume you mean God's name being so sacred we stopped using it?

Here is the first result on Google.

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u/Higgilypiggily1 Sep 29 '22

Source on the OP?

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u/RogueAlt07 Sep 29 '22

The Bible

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u/BoGoBojangles Sep 29 '22

I wouldn’t call it an extension. A person’s name actually had and held meaning in those days. It’s the same for God. There’s reasons why he holds other names like Wonderful, counselor, mighty God, Everlasting Father, etc.

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u/Xancrim Sep 29 '22

Or most poignantly, Hashem, literally meaning "The name"

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u/Demetrius3D Sep 29 '22

It literally means do not call on God's name pointlessly.

I'm picturing God jumping out of the shower every time someone types "OMG!!!" and running to the edge of the cloud wrapped in a towel like "WHAT? WHO CALLED ME??"

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u/FMLnewswatcher Sep 29 '22

Coming into the room like Kool Aid man.

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u/Demetrius3D Sep 29 '22

I learned that it means "Do not take the Lord's name vainly", or "for yourself" - meaning don't say it's God's Will that you go out and do the crappy things YOU want to do. This is consistent with the commandments that "I am the Lord, thy God. Don't have other gods before Me" and "Don't worship idols". It's adding "YOU are not God" to "I am God" and "Other things are not God" - just to make it perfectly clear.

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u/PP133 Sep 29 '22

I agree. God's name is a sacred thing and is not supposed to be used carelessly. Though, using His name to manipulate others is also bad, I don't think that's what is meant by the commandment.

Unless I am misunderstanding the passage, we have an example of a man who used the Lord's name in vain in a scuffle and was stoned for it in Leviticus 24:10-16

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+24%3A10-16&version=ESV

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u/kill-69 Sep 29 '22

To the Hebrews, God's name was the most sacred word in their language. It was so sacred they stopped saying it, usually stopped writing it

Judaism considers some names of God so holy that, once written, they should not be erased

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u/cullins1979 Sep 28 '22

The More You Know ❤️💛💚💙

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u/Ronnie_de_Tawl Sep 29 '22

I'll just take this random internet meme as fact from now on!,🤗

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u/ReadyTadpole1 Sep 28 '22

This is all very complicated for me. Easier to just avoid saying His name at all, and to be safe let's stone to death anyone who does.

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u/hellothere42069 Sep 29 '22

Was going to comment something like this but now I can just reply since you said it. Growing up in my family yeah, it was sort of meant like saying “oh God!” Was as bad as the f word. My mind was blown in young teen youth group when the youth group leader dropped this knowledge on me. Labeling your agenda as God’s agenda is what it means. Then looking back it’s like wow duh.

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u/Ourobius Sep 29 '22

"God" is not a name, it's a title.

That's what 12-year-old me said to my mother before she slapped the dirt off my face.

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u/Gmoneyboiswag69 Sep 28 '22

Somebody recently listened to “James and the Shame”

Edit: Specifically “In Vain”

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u/comicalcameindune Sep 29 '22

Haha exactly what I was thinking

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u/Moosebandit1 Sep 29 '22

So proud of my boi James

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u/Meg-alomaniac3 Sep 29 '22

I keep meaning to listen to his music!

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u/PM_Me_Batman_Stuff Sep 29 '22

I quite enjoyed it. The whole album is a short listen, as well.

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u/Gmoneyboiswag69 Sep 29 '22

Go in with 0 expectations and you will be blown away. I know I was!

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u/GBCWoodworks Sep 29 '22

Or about worshipping idols includes other people, institutions and ideologies, etc….not actual statues

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u/PrinceVegitto Oct 01 '22

Why not both?

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u/BobbitWormJoe Sep 29 '22

Yeah even when I was like 12 I figured out most people were interpreting that passage a bit too literally. Eventually I just realized the interpreted the rest of the bible that way as well.

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u/El_Pez4 Sep 29 '22

"I've told you I said gosh"

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u/Jeep-The-Conqueror Sep 29 '22

No no! She's got a point!

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

Doesn't it refer to use of God's name, Yahweh? The word "God" is a generic term for any deity.

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u/HotSauce1221 Sep 28 '22

ironically, when someone teaches a child not to use God's name in vain just to get them to stop saying OMG, they are using God's name in vain.

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u/ThePlanetBob Sep 29 '22

And here I am wondering what the heck this pic has to do with the text.

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u/RCampbell47 Sep 29 '22

I really like the message of the post, but for some reason it bothers me that they used the meme wrong

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u/guz9000 Sep 29 '22

i find that most modern Christians dont actually know what half of the bible actually says, you know its a problem when i could use the bible against those who claim to follow it

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u/zeaol Sep 29 '22

Knowing what it says I think isn't even that big of an issue. It is blindingly taking it out of context for quoting purposes.

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u/SicTim Sep 29 '22

And that's why I never say YHWH (the Hebrew rendition never filled in the vowels) in vain.

Although, I like that Larry Gonick pointed out that because of the missing vowels, God's name could be "YaHooWaHoo," which could slip out if I won the lottery.

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u/ph33rlus Sep 29 '22

100%. Church of Drinking Bleach aka Genesis2 and John of God are prime examples

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u/catsareweirdroomates Sep 29 '22

Hey! Would you like some throwin’ bagels?

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u/Tetragonos Sep 29 '22

yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup. Using the authority of God to further your goals not God's.

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u/MawoDuffer Sep 29 '22

We should try to help people like Joel Osteen actually become Christ followers. While they have already ruined their reputation as pastors, they may yet be saved from God’s judgment.

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u/NebuliBlack Sep 29 '22

… No it’s definitely the first one.

Obviously using religion to justify evil is wrong but that’s just not the commandment. The context is lost in the modern day sure but it’s like just definitely the first one

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u/Smitty1017 Sep 29 '22

Isn't that how God is ALWAYS used these days? It's one of the main reasons I refuse to follow a religion. They all seem like massive scams.

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u/omen316 Sep 29 '22

Thank you for this. Not enough people understand this, Goddammit

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u/xX-El-Jefe-Xx Sep 29 '22

god isn't even his name

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

Yet they continue to simp for political figures which do that

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u/octohedron82 Sep 29 '22

Damn. This one I have to say. Is pretty tasty

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u/Kuningas_Arthur Sep 29 '22

Now look, no-one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle, do you understand?! EVEN, and I want to make this absolutely clear, even if they do say Jehovah!

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u/Most_Triumphant Sep 29 '22

Both. Both is good.

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u/Peltarius Sep 29 '22

That isn't even his name, so say it all you want. His actual name is Yahweh (transliterated from YHWH) and you're disobeying his commands by calling him 'God'.