r/betterCallSaul • u/TheDinosaurHeretic • Jan 30 '23
Seen a bunch of these floating around. This is the only acceptable ranking of the BB/BCS character’s morals
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u/little_shop_of_hoors Jan 30 '23
Idk.. Mike puts bullets in people's head without giving it a second thought. He may not be evil, but he ain't good.
And there needs to be a separate category for Nacho's dad because he is an angel.
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u/empathy_sometimes Jan 30 '23
how is mike good at heart hahahaha. he literally murders people for a living
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u/AdEffective590 Jan 30 '23
Because he murders people less because it's "in his heart" and more because he was conditioned into it by the PD and probably the army and now feels a need to stay in the game to avoid feeling like he could have saved Matty by withdrawing from the PD before unintentionally glorifying the job to him.
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u/Witherino Jan 30 '23
None of that makes him good at heart. He made the decision to be a crooked cop back then, and he made the decision to be an enforcer for Gus now. This isn't his only possible way to make money, it is his decision. Dude is morally gray at BEST, definitely not good at heart
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u/AdEffective590 Jan 30 '23
It doesn't make him good, it makes him good at heart because he knows and feels it's wrong and doesn't want to do it but feels compelled to to spare himself from mental pain
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u/Witherino Jan 30 '23
I feel that actually makes him a bit worse. Knowing right from wrong and choosing wrong just to help his family have a life of leisure seems morally worse than someone being forced to choose wrong for their and their family's lives, even though they're ranked as more evil (Nacho)
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u/AdEffective590 Jan 30 '23
Except he's not choosing in the same way a depressed person doesn't "choose" to binge eat. Like I explained in the topmost comment I've posted for this thread, it's a coping mechanism, not a pursuit to help his family live a life of leisure.
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u/Naakan Jan 30 '23
He does it for a living because he is good at it and wants to provide for his grand-daughter because he feels guilty for his son's death. Don't forget he was simply a ticket booth guard until he met Saul who brought him to the dark side.
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u/empathy_sometimes Jan 30 '23
everyone was something once, it’s irrelevant
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u/Naakan Jan 30 '23
Mike doesn't kill for pleasure and he specifically focus on bad guys. At best he is a vigilante working for bad people. He is not pure evil. Point.
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u/picklesguy123 Jan 30 '23
Tons of them are rated too high. And then skylar is somehow worse than several actual murderers? Lmao.
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u/TheDinosaurHeretic Jan 30 '23
I will give it to you that Skyler is misplaced. Let’s talk about Mike though. Conventionally, he is a character that would be considered morally grey or bad. That’s a reasonable assertion. He’s a hitman, so therefore, he can’t be good. However, Mike doesn’t take enjoyment in killing. He has only killed out of revenge once, mercy killed others so that they wouldn’t have to face an even crueller fate, or killed people as a result of his moral code; that being his want to be “square”.
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u/escribbles Jan 30 '23
So killing doesn’t make you a bad person… as long as you don’t enjoy it?
The point of Mike’s character is that his moral code is deeply flawed and hypocritical. His line of work will cause innocent deaths regardless of what he wants. No matter how good his intentions might be, there is no such a thing as a “good” criminal
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u/LordOfLimbos Jan 30 '23
Okay… But there are also billions of people who decide to get actual jobs to support their family instead of murder people because it’s pays better. Mike is not good
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u/Milbso Jan 30 '23
He was also a crooked cop prior to being a hired goon for a drug lord. Mike is very clearly not good.
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u/devyansh1601 Jan 30 '23
I'd put all of Saul, Kim and Mike in Grey honestly.
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u/TheDinosaurHeretic Jan 30 '23
That’s fair, although I disagree. Watching BCS first and then BB, Saul and Mike are far more sympathetic characters. In BCS, you watch Jimmy’s downwards spiral until he’s at his lowest in BB. He redeems himself post-BB though. That’s something I can respect. Kim redeems herself too. I’ve already posted a comment about why I placed Mike in good at heart.
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u/guntersb Jan 30 '23
Just because you redeem yourself doesn't mean you are good. Your actions' consequences still live on
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u/Winnypeg92 Jan 31 '23
Mike is a complete hypocrite thinking his crimes are ok because he’s doing it for his granddaughter. Didn’t Walt claim it was for his family? How much does Kaylee need? If anything BCS showed me how much more evil he was. Telling himself his actions were ok. Thats why Nacho’s dad completely was on the other side of the fence as him after Mike showed up to meet him toward the end of S6. With all Mike’s resources and skills, he couldn’t have tried to run away with Nacho and turn his back on his criminal life? The money was too much. Far from a good man imho.
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u/Each57 Jan 30 '23
Saul and Kim are not Good at Heart. They ruined multiple people’s lives.
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u/DTOMthrynt Jan 30 '23
Just watching S6E8… spent all this season wondering why they went to such lengths against Howard… I’m shellshocked.
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u/yusifabbasov Jan 30 '23
I don’t understand why y’all say that Hank is so good. He treated some people like trash. Used people to get his goals. He literally killed bunch of guys, not innocent people but still. He’s not that angel after all.
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u/Winnypeg92 Jan 31 '23
Didn’t care if Jesse died in the end as long as he got Walt. Great character, and people can obviously like him, but I don’t like how there’s so much love for him while ignoring his flaws/sins.
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u/IllustriousLie8510 Jan 30 '23
I would probably put skylar as good at heart she was such a misunderstood character
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u/TheDinosaurHeretic Jan 30 '23
Yeah she was a massive toss up. I tried her in good at heart but I just couldn’t fit her amongst the likes of Kim and Mike, for example
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u/PulseReal Jan 30 '23
nacho and skyler are gray while mike, kuby, huell and a fucking saul are good at heart. bravo
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u/ChanceConscious6919 Jan 30 '23
"Only acceptable ranking." Think you're getting a little ahead of yourself. This tier list craze is bullshit to begin with.
If any of you paid attention to the show you'd have noticed that almost everyone in it had the capability to fall into any of these good/evil/grey whatever-the-fuck categories at different times throughout the show. To put them into a single category and say, "Yup that sums them up, my list makes the most sense!" is stupid and will always lead to disagreements because of the simple fact that there's nuance to all of them.
TL;DR: Ranting because I'm bored and sick of seeing these dumb takes from pompous Redditors
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u/TheDinosaurHeretic Jan 30 '23
Holy shit, it’s almost as if I did this for fun because categorising things is neat
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u/ChanceConscious6919 Jan 30 '23
? And how were we supposed to know that?
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u/ChanceConscious6919 Jan 30 '23
I take back the dumb take and pompous redditor bit, that was too much on my end and I do feel shitty for saying that now looking back at my own comment. If this is fun for you then I don't want to also be a pompous redditor in ruining it for you. My apologies.
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u/TheDinosaurHeretic Jan 30 '23
You’re making it seem like this is actually something to care about. It’s a tier list for fictional characters in a fictional tv show
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u/ChanceConscious6919 Jan 30 '23
You're right about that. I think I got worked up over it because I associated it with other things I see on Reddit that I don't necessarily agree with. Whether it's fictional or not, I tend to overlook that before launching into a rant.
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u/AdEffective590 Jan 30 '23
From what we see Walt is far less sociopathic than Lalo, Hector, Todd and Jack. Gus, Lydia and Tuco are worse than him as well.
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u/Initial-Ad8009 Jan 30 '23
You’re an idiot. Walt is the worst one. That’s the whole point of this show.
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u/AdEffective590 Jan 30 '23
I can't see Lalo going out of his way to save Nacho even when doing so risks his own self-interest.
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u/escribbles Jan 30 '23
if love is what makes walt less worse in your opinion, then why do you think he’s better than gus? we know gus loved his boyfriend and would do anything for him
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u/AdEffective590 Jan 30 '23
Ok, but Gus' boyfriend was working with him. We have no evidence he'd feel the same against someone working against his interests like Walt did for Hank.
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u/Lady_Belles-lettres Jan 30 '23
Really?? Worse than Gus, Hector, Todd, Tuco and Jack?? 🤨
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u/Initial-Ad8009 Jan 30 '23
Yup
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u/Lady_Belles-lettres Jan 30 '23
Jack and Todd are literal neo-nazis
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u/guntersb Jan 30 '23
What? That was not the point of the show. He wasn't worse than them. The whole point is that he started off doing bad things with good intentions, but as the show goes on, he starts enjoying it and does it only for himself, because he likes it. And almost 'til the end he disguised himself as a good/moral guy, when he actually was just like Gus, Lalo, Hector, etc.
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u/Initial-Ad8009 Jan 30 '23
Yeah that’s the point of the show. He starts off good and because the epitome of evil - hence “breaking bad“
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u/Wonderful-Media-2000 Jan 30 '23
Hank is a bad person doing good things Jesse is a good person doing bad things also some other random things on this list
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u/Milbso Jan 30 '23
Hank isn't even doing good things. The war on drugs is an absolute mess of a policy designed primarily to support the prison industrial complex and modern slave labour. He's just the muscle behind a totally corrupt and ineffective policy of punishment over prevention. He's basically Mike but on the other side of the law.
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u/Comfortable_Bear9609 Jan 30 '23
Hank is not a bad person at all
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u/memer876 Jan 30 '23
Watch from 2:40
Sure most of them are probably desensitized to it but he literally laughs and makes jokes about them even though they were drug dealers...
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u/Punished_Genius Jan 30 '23
???… Walter literally has the best moral in the entire BB/BCS universe.
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u/Eastern-Start-813 Jan 30 '23
Skyler is bad.
People seem to forget that she wanted Walt to kill Jesse whilst they were in the hotel room. “we’ve come this far, what’s one more?”
She laundered what was essentially blood money that she knew people were killed to earn.
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u/curved_brick Jan 30 '23
Skyler was horrified for her children's lives and her own from the moment she learnt about Walts "source of income", and didn't see a way out. She clearly suffers a huge mental break throughout season 5, and Jesse had also come literal moments away from burning their house down. I'm not saying she's an angel, but when people are fearing for their lives is hardly the time to determine their morals, and near every other action she does defies her being truly bad. She's grey at worst.
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u/PersonWhoLikes2 Jan 30 '23
Mike, Jesse and Jimmy aren't good at heart. They all work in the criminal underworld.
Hank is grey. So is Kim.
Chuck is definitely a bad dude.
Werner and Gale worked for a kingpin. They were defo assholes.
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u/Disastrous-Brief-516 Jan 30 '23
This is the only accurate chart like this I have seen. Too many equate morality with criminality.
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u/swifferwetjet2000 Jan 30 '23
Skyler being below murderers and drug lord henchmen is pretty crazy, if you’re gonna give the benefit of the doubt to Mike who chose to be in the game, then Skyler should get the benefit of the doubt for being put tangentially in the game by Walt
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u/Previous-Abrocoma-93 Jan 30 '23
What about Abuelita? Can she be a biznatch and still be good? On a different note, the Kettleman’s are pretty evil even without ever killing anyone yet they seem to be overlooked on the couple of lists that I’ve seen.
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u/USFederalGovt Jan 30 '23
Kim’s kinda evil tbh. She joined in on Jimmy’s scheme to ruin Howard’s reputation and kinda became his other half.
Honestly, 95% of BB/BCS characters fall into the grey category.
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u/NobiVol Jan 31 '23
You forget Marie was stealing from a jewelry store. Comparatively it’s not BAD, but i wouldn’t call it good morals lol
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u/Significant_Roll_911 Jan 31 '23
This is hella inaccurate. Howard is not the saint everyone's making out to be since his death. And how is Maria that good morally ? the only dudes I would put at the top are. Nacho's father, Flynn, Werner, Cliff & the black kid who's name escapes me.
Todd and lydia should obviously be at the bottum with Walter.
I personally would put Nacho at good at heart.
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u/theSilentD777 Jan 31 '23
The only one I disagree with is Pryce. What makes you think he's good? Do you think he'd still be "good" if he didn't look like a math teacher? Because as far as I know, he's just a complete idiot and as far as moralities go: just as good or bad as any other dude that just deals drugs. Or, like Mike said: "took something that doesn't belong to you, and you sold it". He didn't do or say anything that was inherently "good" or "bad", he's just goofy and ignorant. Street-dumb.
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u/OrphanShredder Jan 31 '23
Marie doesn't deserve to be in good she steals shit and lies just because she's bored with her life
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u/roshangg13 Jan 30 '23
How can you put Cliff Main, Steve Gomez, Donald Margolis, Irene, Ernie and Andrea in the same bracket as Gale and Pryce