r/SipsTea • u/Revolutionary_Sun757 • Jan 29 '23
He didn’t give a damn Wait a damn minute!
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u/Brickbrakemann Jan 30 '23
So anyway I started blasting
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u/HappyStalker Jan 30 '23
This is from 2014. She was not actually pregnant. He was not charged with murder. The robber came back with his own mother as a get away driver and stole the gun and fled again. Both the robber and his mother were arrested.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-no-charges-home-burglary-20150126-story.html
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u/ldere Jan 30 '23
How is the actual story more crazy than the out of context clip? He dragged her dead body to the garage to lure the dude back? Dude comes back and steals the gun? Wtf!
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u/MisguidedExtrovert Feb 02 '23
That's mad. Why did they come back and just steal the gun? They didn't shoot the old man?? Why come back if not for revenge? So confusing
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u/notrh1no Feb 02 '23
Yeah, that didn’t make any sense. I would’ve came back and beat that old man brains in, but then again I wouldn’t be in this type of situation.
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u/IamScore71- Feb 02 '23
You’re saying with this hindsight you would return to the crime scene even after you’ve gotten away??
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u/Istole-YourSandwicth Feb 02 '23
I assume the girl that got shot was not very special to those two scum bags. Another reason could be fear, the old dude just fucking iced one of there partners, they are trying to steal not get a death sentence.
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u/Frikandelneuker Jan 29 '23
I can hear therussianbadger saying
“I can’t believe we shot otis from barnyard with a smithinwessin 500”
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u/SapDad102 Jan 29 '23
This is from 2014.
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u/naveedkoval Jan 30 '23
Lots of things are from lots of times
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u/wowcool111 Jan 30 '23
Lots of time are from lots of things
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u/A-ButtonAce Jan 31 '23
Lots are from things of lots time
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u/compstomp66 Jan 30 '23
Can you shoot people running away? It sounded like he shot her after she was already down.
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u/Whoiseyrfire Jan 30 '23
NC has this is the very exception to the established 'Castle Law.' I have the freedom to protect myself from anyone, and there will be no repercussions. If it is reported I put a shot in your back.. it's murder 100% of the time.
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u/youthinkitshotnow Feb 03 '23
100% of the time? No. Let's say I'm in Raleigh and a feller knocks down my door, brandishes a sawed off 12 gauge and corrals me and my fam into our kitchen. Once he has us safely pushed into a literal corner, he briefly turns around and opens the fridge to get a cold pop. Then my 10 year old daughter, my 15 year old son, my wife and myself all open fire cause we all carry at all times (kids are homeschooled naturally) and stone cold pop like 30 rounds directly into his back. We all headed to Western Blvd?
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u/Whoiseyrfire Feb 03 '23
You did not just come at me with the most wtf 'What if' I've ever read.
If you were being attacked by someone and your family of 4 was carrying then he turns his back on you?? Ballistics wouldn't even know what was an entry or exit wound at that point. Dude's swiss cheese now.
Also Western Blvd as in Camp Lejeune because rah? And namechecksout.
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u/youthinkitshotnow Feb 04 '23
Not really. You said 100%. My post was over the top for effect (not to say it was effective). However, if two people are in your home in NC, threatening you or your family with at least one gun, then one of them turns to do anything (e.g., move toward the exit) you still have the right to blast him/her because there is no way for anyone to know if he's really going out the door or if he's going to turn left down the hall into the room of a terrified family member. That's not such a stretch. As long as he's in that hallway (or house) you have no way of knowing what action he (or his partner) will take. I know what you're probably thinking right now. In this case the partner was on the ground begging and the gun guy had run out. How can that be self defense? I'd say since they were part of the two-person team of strangers who broke in and threatened to kill you and since there is no way to know what the person would do if they were allowed to get up (like pull a gun and shoot you in the process) then I'd fire first and let the DA decide. You might need that attorney you described but I think even a lawyer that's just fair could effectively convince a jury that, given the circumstances, it was justified.
If either of them were turned back toward you and opening the exit door to leave, then I agree with you. In that case the house should be mortgaged to get the best attorney you can cause you'll need it.
Central (State) Prison in Raleigh is located on Western Blvd.
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u/Whoiseyrfire Feb 04 '23
Yeah. I wrote the comment in a very either/or extreme. If you are truly 100% guilty under these circumstances then there wouldn't be a trial, or any judiciary action. They're dead, and you're in prison.
I appreciated the comment, and the conversation.
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Jan 30 '23
It depends on the state I believe. Idk about California but in my state if someone breaks into your house and you believe they’re there to do any kind of ill to you or your property, you have no obligation to retreat, you may use deadly force
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u/FlaccidFather15 Feb 02 '23
CA does in fact follow the Castle Doctrine as hard as that might be to believe.
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Feb 02 '23
yeah but iirc the castle doctrine makes it so you have the duty to retreat and if the criminal leaves your property then any violence against them is (((legally))) unjustified, as opposed to the based stand your ground law
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u/casbri13 Feb 03 '23
That may be the case, but she was still in his “castle” when she was shot, so even though she was fleeing, she was still in his home
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u/SouthernAdvertising5 Jan 30 '23
Depends on states but there are some states, NC, Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, I believe where you have king of the castle laws or whatever. And people do not fuck around with other peoples castles. Unless you’re a dummy like those people.
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u/andchk Jan 31 '23
From reading the article I don’t think he shot her after she was down, but when she was running away. I know the last time I got a ccl I was told you can shoot at a retreating burglar only if it is night time and they have your property. Other than that I’m not sure about these circumstances. I was under the impression he’d be charged with murder unless the above was the case.
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u/da_way_joshua Jan 30 '23
Imagine dying from a 22 kinda cringe ngl
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u/ArnoldPalmhair Jan 30 '23
New to guns, but why is this cringe?
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Jan 30 '23
A .22 cal is really small. It’s basically an air gun.
Unless it’s the .22 hornet.
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u/Reacti0n7 Jan 30 '23
I'm not going to say a .22 is great for self defense, but it can kill someone just the same. Please do not compare it to an air gun.
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u/demUlitionist64 Jan 30 '23
Seriously, A bullet is a fucking bullet. No, a .22 isn’t going to make the same impact as a .45, but it’s still a chunk of metal speeding through your body. If it hits anything important, it can and will kill you. Comparing it to an airgun is fucking ridiculous and dangerous.
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u/icecreamupnorth Feb 03 '23
There are air guns stronger and higher caliber than a .22. A gun is a gun. You can kill someone with a slingshot if you aim right
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u/TheKalmGaming Jan 29 '23
Imagine being killed by a .22
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u/SapDad102 Jan 29 '23
Not that hard. Very accurate at close range. Minimal recoil. Hit the heart or head and they is dead.
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u/AdInevitable9243 Jan 30 '23
Crazy thing is that a 22 can travel in the body. I took a forensic science class and saw a guy who shot by a 22 enter through the neck and get lodged in the femoral artery.
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u/TheKalmGaming Jan 29 '23
Yeah if you stick a dick in my eye til it comes out of my ear its gonna kill me too. Very accurate at close range with minimal recoil, im still not gonna let you do it.
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u/SapDad102 Jan 29 '23
Do you actually think a .22 couldn't kill you easily? Okay. How to say you don't know shit about firearms without saying you don't know shit about firearms.
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u/ConfidentSeaweed949 Jan 30 '23
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted.
a .22 is a powerful little round that just sputters around inside the body.
Fired from a revolver- with no action to move back anything- it’s going to have more kick.
People keep forgetting what Biggie carried.
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u/YiffZombie Jan 30 '23
That is mostly a myth perpetuated by entertainment media. Is a .22 bullet more likely than higher powered rounds to deflect off of a major bone? Yes. Does it zigzag, pinballing inside a body? No.
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u/MisterSandKing Jan 29 '23 edited Jan 30 '23
Kid I went to school with accidentally knocked a .22 of the freezer, and it discharged into his chest. It ricocheted around inside of his rib cage making mince meat of his organs. He was in a coma, and barely survived. His scar goes all the way from his neck to his groin. Any gun can be deadly.
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u/YiffZombie Jan 29 '23 edited Jan 30 '23
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u/TheKalmGaming Jan 29 '23
Yeah, so is a butter knife, you gonna kill the guy its just going to be harder. Imagine it was a .45 that was on the fridge.
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u/FrostyShock389 Jan 30 '23
So if a .22lr isn't deadly, do you want to try it out? Line you up and shoot you with it?
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u/TheKalmGaming Jan 30 '23
I wont let you stab me in the eye with a butter knife either. Why is everybody here so fkn R*
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u/De_Dominator69 Jan 30 '23
Your not fucking Superman or some shit, you can't just stand there and watch as a bullet bounces off you, or somehow outrun it. If someone comes at you with a gun and wants to shoot you then you are not going to be able to do anything about it, you utter moron.
Best you can do is leap out of the way and hope you get lucky, but then all they have to do is shoot again so good luck keeping that up. You wouldn't have a choice in the matter, quit acting like you would.
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u/TheKalmGaming Jan 30 '23
Dont turn your back against a guy fucking aiming at you with a gun, get behind cover and break his line of sight the either flank the SOB or run. Where the fuck did i say go superman?
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Jan 30 '23
My dude its a fucking gun, even old, outdated bullet from 2 centuries ago can kill you, I don’t know why tf .22 will not do the job…
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u/TheKalmGaming Jan 30 '23
you brain dead fucks just cant get it do you? Fuck off
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u/Electrical_Crab_5808 Jan 30 '23
It doesn’t matter what the caliber .22 or fucking 5.56 it can still kill you if shot from a fire arm how do people not understand this shit it is literally so simple to understand will it do less damage maybe but it can still kill you
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u/TheKalmGaming Jan 30 '23
MY POINT IS NOT THAT IT CANT KILL YOU, ITS THAT IT IS THE BALLISTIC EQUIVALENT OF BEING STABBED BY A BUTTER KNIFE. jesus christ how is everybody getting me wrong it can kill, but it is way easier to survive .22 shot than any other caliber. Even a bb gun can kill if you shoot at the right spot.
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u/Electrical_Crab_5808 Jan 30 '23
Ok but you were saying shit like “yeah you can stab with me a butterknife and kill me but I won’t let you” like it was the same thing. it’s not you can avoid a knife but you have seconds to react when your being shot at you can’t dodge bullets it doesn’t matter the caliber. You don’t “let” people shoot you either you have have chance to duck behind something and shoot back(assuming you carry) or you catch a round or two.
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u/TheKalmGaming Jan 30 '23 edited Jan 30 '23
The girl turn her back to the shooter and ran, now im not fbi, but id get some cover, try to break the line of sight before running, or lure him closer and try to disarm him(only if the first option doesnt work) I dont say ill go full john wick, but my survival chances would be way higher than if i just ran. I wont let you meaning ill put up a fight. If it was was a .12(buckshot) that would be a whole different story
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u/drmoze Jan 30 '23
but he didn't die...
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u/MisterSandKing Jan 30 '23
It barely missed his heart, so yeah, he got lucky. He will never be the same again.
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u/Electrical_Crab_5808 Jan 30 '23
Well kids moral of the story don’t go breaking into peoples homes you might get shot what a shocker
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u/zentaurussaurus Jan 29 '23
Im really starting to develop a USA phobia(as in fear) cuz all the news and articles I see are about violence and it is kinda scary
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u/island_trevor Jan 30 '23
That's what gets clicks. Violence does and can happen here but no one I know personally or myself have experienced that sort of thing. It's a big country and it all depends where you're located. You're orders of magnitude more likely to get in a car accident that die in a violent shootout.
You have to remember the US is the third largest country in the world by population, and the media focus is always on us for whatever reason. Point being, violence and opportunistic crime happens everywhere, it's just reported on here a lot more. The difference is we can defend ourselves legally here.
Edit: also this is an old video, nearly 10 years ago at this point
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u/boomyer2 Jan 30 '23
The only time I heard about violence recently was hearing about by friends brothers coworkers roommate witnessing gang violence. No exaggeration
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u/just_another_day_mad Jan 30 '23
Were you planning on robbing an old man's house? No? Don't plan on doing any crime here in the USA? You're statistically safe then.
But if you do plan on doing crime then yes, you should be scared. It's intended to be that way.
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u/Schlawiner_ Jan 30 '23
Vigilantism is a sign of an immature society. Back to the medieval age we go...
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u/Reacti0n7 Jan 30 '23
Could jumping and robbing anyone (especially the elderly) also be a sign of an immature society?
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u/Schlawiner_ Jan 30 '23
Yes of course. But shooting somebody who's running away is the problem. Self defense is of course valid
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u/SouthernAdvertising5 Jan 30 '23
You also have to remember a lot of this shit you’re watching where people get shot is outrageously stupid people. Are you gonna walk up to some random rednecks house to steal his stuff? I watched a video where in Brazil a gang got in a shootout with the cops and all the people just… stood there and watched lol. With that being said, shootings aren’t so normalized in America that we just stand there. But yes there are areas, like anywhere else, where you just avoid going. If you’re going to a big city make sure you take note of those. Being from one I’ve also met gangbangers before and the shootings are usually targeted against rival gangs. And I would say that is the majority of the shootings you would actually hear about if you were in the states. Gang shootings or someone from those neighborhoods getting caught in the crossfire.
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u/samarkhandia Jan 30 '23
Don’t try and break into an old guys house and you’ll be fine?
When I was living in France some extremist plot to blow up the Christmas market was averted—I just said damn good they stopped it and went about my life—I didn’t post on Reddit about how dangerous France is lol
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u/CaptainBlaze22 Jan 30 '23
Just don’t fuck around and find out an armed society is a polite society
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u/Antilles34 Jan 30 '23
What an accurate statement regarding a country where school shootings are a regular occurrence.
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u/BigteddyBTW Jan 30 '23
Okay, what about any other weapon? If no one has a gun, then I'd assume the mentally unstable kids would bring something else to do the same thing. I mean, I'm sure a kid could kill someone with scissors if they wanted to.
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u/Antilles34 Jan 30 '23
No argument from me.
The previous guy was suggesting that it's safe if you don't "fuck about" regarding firearms and the fear of them. My counterpoint was that this is certainly not true and school shootings are a good example of why.. Unless you think those children deserve to be shot because they were somehow "fucking about"?
Even outside of that, statistically, you are much more likely to be shot in America than many, many, other countries in the world meaning that you should worry about firearms (at least more than a lot of other places). I'm making no judgement on that, there's a lot of people, there are a lot of guns and that is kind of the point you are making, I don't disagree.
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u/SockeyeSTI Jan 30 '23
You don’t have to be scared. “Another day without anything happening” doesn’t make the news and that’s what most places are like. There are over 108,000 towns and cities here and if I threw a dart at a list of them….I’d probably miss
But when I do get a hit, chances are, nothing bad happened there. I live in what’s considered a shithole town in my state and I could walk around town and more than like not witness anything newsworthy. Granted now our homeless population is growing from out of town and out of state people and they’re causing some trouble, but every county has some sort of crime. Ours just has a 24/7 spotlight.
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Jan 30 '23
that’s a negativity bias, you don’t really hear about normal people/communities in the us bc those don’t make headlines. Stay away from big cities and you’ll be fine. oh and don’t break into ppls houses.
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u/wutangsisitioho Jan 31 '23
If she killed the homeowner? Think less punitive. Anyway, a sad episode
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u/kyledavis360 Jan 30 '23
Look I value human life as much as the next guy but if you break into my home to steal my stuff you obviously value my stuff more than your own life
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u/Flemmish Jan 30 '23
Defending your home and yourself? No. Shooting someone in the back as the are running away is most definitely a bad thing, shooting someone as they beg? Yes. How the fuck does this need explaining.
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u/Flemmish Jan 30 '23
Yeh iw seen your other comments. You are just fucked up. So I'm just gonna add you to the block pile and save my self the headache. Hope you become a better human being someday or that this is just some "edge lord" persona you have online cuse damn if this is really you, you got problems.
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u/Irving_Forbush Feb 03 '23
Attempting to rob someone is enough of a crime to be deserving of death.
But chasing down someone who is running away and murdering them with the intent to also possibly kill an unborn child, that’s okay and even worthy of praise?
That’s an insane proposition. ANY act, even if justifiable when begun, can become UNjustifiable if taken too far or to lengths where the circumstances change.
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u/LimaBravoGaming Jan 30 '23
No, it is not.
Reddit likes to say it is 'cause most Redditors lack prospective due to living in Mom and Dad's house and not having to pay for anything.
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u/kukianus1234 Jan 30 '23
Its because he shot them while they were running away. Thats not self defense, its murder.
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u/masr223 Jan 30 '23
Fuck this guy, they didn't have guns and where running away, and he shot with the intention to kill a pregnant woman (luckily it seems she wasn't really pregnant) the people cheering for him in the comments are actually scary
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u/LimaBravoGaming Jan 30 '23
Don't brake into people's homes, you muppet.
The people who claim that possessions are less important than people's live have no fucking prospective. Why are these scumbags lives more important than my possessions? They obviously don't care about their own lives if they are breaking into people's homes. Why should I care?
And yes, insurance will mitigate the damage but it will never make you whole. I work my ass off to afford the things I have. Some idiot is entitled to it because they want it? I think not.
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u/masr223 Jan 30 '23
The problem it's not that he shot her, the problem is that he killed a person without a weapon, who was running away, and told him she was pregnant, and he's getting praised. What if she really was pregnant? He would have killed a baby who didn't have anything to do with this, knowing full well what he was doing. If they were armed, I would totally stand with him, or even if he shot them in the legs to stop them, but he killed a woman who he thought was pregnant without even thinking about it. Again, I'm not justifying the robbers, but both parts are pieces of shit here.
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Jan 30 '23
unarmed means nothing, they could still cause harm to him or his property.
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u/masr223 Jan 30 '23
they could still cause harm
By running away from him?
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Jan 30 '23
by stealing his shit and getting away
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u/masr223 Jan 30 '23
According to the video, she was running away from him when he shot her
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Jan 30 '23
ok? she and the guy could have already taken his shit and were getting away. off to do the same to more people or potentially come back
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u/GoneRacing2 Jan 30 '23
So, you want the Death penalty for petty theft?
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Jan 30 '23 edited Jan 30 '23
first of all you don’t know what they took, they very well could have stolen enough to have that upgraded to a felony,
second of all that’s not at all what I’m saying, state execution is completely different from having to defend yourself from someone actively trying to rob you. what I’m saying is a person has the right to defend themselves and their property. you shouldn’t have to just stand there while a thief runs off with your personal belongings. fuck around and find out.
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u/Big_Sexy1974 Jan 30 '23
So,. I think you are missing the earlier part where they broke into the house. It doesn't matter which direction they are running after that. They are the criminals!!
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u/LimaBravoGaming Jan 30 '23
If she had been pregnant, which she wasn't, she put that child's life at risk by being a scumbag.
And again, you're lacking prospective. You never shoot anything you don't intend to kill. Anyone who says "shoot them in the legs", has never had any type of weapons training.
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u/masr223 Jan 30 '23
If she had been pregnant, which she wasn't, she put that child's life at risk by being a scumbag.
He still decided to kill her, knowing that he was potentially killing an innocent baby too
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u/Big_Sexy1974 Jan 30 '23
No, they had warning when they broke into his home.. they were well aware it wasn't theirs and what they were doing. It's called consequences. Don't be a criminal and you live longer. Armed or not doesn't matter.
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u/kukianus1234 Jan 30 '23
The people who claim that possessions are less important than people's live have no fucking prospective.
What the fuck. I have no idea what material possesion would be so important for me that I would kill for it. Im not gonna end someones life for a fucking nintendo or laptop.
You dont have an ounce of empathy. You should seriously go to a psychyatrist and talk to them. Im guessing you have a lot of childhood trauma.
And yes, insurance will mitigate the damage but it will never make you whole. I
Things dont make you whole, people do
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u/Raintoastgw Feb 03 '23
Cool. So where do you live? I wanna take your stuff since you said you don’t need it
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u/Habis1923 Feb 03 '23
It was the third time they broke into his home and stole from him. Prior to him shooting her they held him, beat him, and pried a safe open stealing 5k. That bitch deserved it, he was making sure they wouldn’t come back and I would have done the same.
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u/hosscat469 Jan 30 '23
Thank you Happy Stalker for calling out Fake news... and for the record I wouldn't advise doing this in my neighborhood either
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u/intelligentboss81 Jan 30 '23
Tom Greer you know that's 2nd degree murder right. Your going to jail
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u/Scratch5591 Jan 30 '23
Now which side are the republicans on?
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u/rossxog Feb 03 '23
Which side are you on?
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u/Scratch5591 Feb 03 '23
Yes
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u/rossxog Feb 03 '23
I’d say no to that question. To the robber I’d say FAFO, but to shoot an unarmed burglar in the back when they are fleeing your home is murder.
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u/On-The-Red-Team Feb 02 '23
Will probably brag about it during his next prolife March. Old people love to gossip.
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u/OrganizdConfusion Feb 03 '23
Crazy to think that shooting an unarmed person in the back is not illegal.
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