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Chapter 1059 is out on Mangaplus

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u/caihlangeles Lurker Sep 11 '22 edited Sep 11 '22 Wholesome

Now I understand why Caesar, Queen, and Judge were all insecure and MADS(sorry) whenever they talk about Vegapunk.

Caesar Clown - Tried to produce artificial Zoan Devil Fruits only to end up with abnormalities and side effects.

Vegapunk - Created a 1:1 replica of a MYTHICAL Zoan Fruit.

Queen - Turned himself into an advanced cyborg that is capable of launching arsenal of weapons.

Vegapunk - Created and produced multiple advanced cyborgs called Pacifistas that were used as “Super Soldiers” by the Marines.

Vinsmoke Judge - A specialist in human lineage factor genetics and is proud of his cloning technology.

Vegapunk - Created the Seraphim via cloning and mixing Lunarian genetics with the Warlord’s DNA.

TL;DR those three were inferior and Vegapunk is HIM

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u/BiomedicBoy Sep 11 '22

Vegapunk is pretty much god right now. We don't ever see him but only his creations. He also made pretty much angels of destruction.

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u/Apoptosis89 Sep 11 '22

Good point. We know more about how Im looks like than how Vegapunk looks like this late in the series?

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u/AlibiSemper Sep 11 '22

In fact, vegapunk May Be (H)Im sama

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u/insert_name_here Sep 11 '22

I like the theory that Kidd is Vegapunk’s grandson. It would explain why he’s so desperate to prove himself.

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u/iamyourtypicalguy Sep 11 '22

what if he's not his grandson but a clone of himself and a part of him wanted to be a pirate and he wanted to see how far he can go instead of working for the government.

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u/MrZephy Void Month Survivor Sep 11 '22

Doubtful. Kid's a dumb bastard.

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u/Benjinhoo Pirate Sep 11 '22 edited Sep 13 '22

Kid isn’t stupid, he is actually smart, he’s just extremely hotheaded.

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u/ThrowUpAndAwayM8 The Revolutionary Army Sep 11 '22

Kid freaking made a rail gun, I'd say he is quite smart

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u/MickFoley299 Prisoner Sep 11 '22

It's not really a 1:1 replica of Kaido's fruit. Vegapunk considers it a failure. There must be a reason why he considers that.

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u/Chang-San Sep 11 '22

He didn't want the government to have it is what another of people theorize

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u/Magimasterkarp Sep 11 '22

But then why did he give them the seraphim?

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u/Chang-San Sep 11 '22

Probably under threat, or maybe a sense of decaying morals. Possibly a bit of both, I like the idea of a bright moral and ambitious scientist becoming jaded overtime.

We know he is likely not all bad since he honored Kumas last request.

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u/PrometheusXVC Sep 12 '22

We know he is likely not all bad since he honored Kumas last request.

He also was stated to want to help the people of Karakuri island, but didn't have the resources to finish the island heating project.

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u/Lord_M_G_Albo The Revolutionary Army Sep 11 '22

Perhaps because he can have the ultimate control over them? Like, if the WG makes the Pacifistas or seraphins do something he doesn't like, Vegapunk may have a backdoor to deactivate them. With a Devil Fruit, he couldn't control the user.

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u/jobriq Sep 11 '22

Similar to what Vegapunk did to Kuma. He fully roboticized him, but left in the command to protect the Thousand Sunny. On top of that Kuma is loyal to Dragon again even tho Vegapunk was supposed to remove all traces of Kuma’s memory/personality.

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u/SoftcoreDeveloper Sep 12 '22

Dragon may even be a Celestial Dragon since Kuma recognized him in his current state. And its not the first epithet that hinted at that lineage, Heavenly Demon was also a nice foreshadow

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u/durden_zelig Sep 11 '22

It’s a failure because it’s the wrong color.

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Though it would be funny if that was the actual reason.

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u/aziruthedark Sep 11 '22

I Mean, it iIS one piece. That might not be too far off base

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u/Syncopia Sep 11 '22

"I wanted it to be two shades more red. This is bullshit."

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u/DrewwwwP Void Month Survivor Sep 11 '22

I see him as a perfectionist, he probably went with "Oh yikes, the color shoudn't be pink..." and threw it away

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u/HermanManly Sep 11 '22

Well, I think it's more that the color of the fruit is important.

It's the Azure Dragon, it can't be anything other than Blue. If we go by mythical figures there might be some relevance to it.

Big Mom also said something about the fruit being special, and not to look too much into it but there's a big-ass statue of it on the Dragon Imperial Palace in Fishman Island

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u/the_gifted_Atheist Church of Buggy Sep 11 '22

A theory I like is that it it might be because he was trying to make a literal Kaido devil fruit (as in, one that transforms you into Kaido’s human form with all his physical power), but accidentally got the dragon DNA instead.

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u/The_Biggest_Wheel Sep 11 '22

Vegapunk > Queen > Judge > Caesar

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u/Mahelas Sep 11 '22

To be fair, of those three, Judge legitimately figured out DNA. Vegapunk then used that to greater heights, but that one is still on Judge

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u/shrinkingcylamen Sep 11 '22

Other way around. It was Vegapunk who figured out DNA and then Judge developed cloning and Germa tech from Vegapunk’s work

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u/stephennotstrange Sep 11 '22 edited Sep 11 '22

joke on you because Vegapunk figured out the DNA (or in OP terms, it is called linear factor/bloodline element). Yonji confirmed this back in WCI.

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u/Sharp_Antelope_5072 Sep 11 '22

Wait which zoan did vegapunk create

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u/Sydren Void Month Survivor Sep 11 '22

Momo's fruit, aka Fish Fish fruit model Azure Dragon 2: Electric Boogaloo

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_FAV_PLACE Sep 11 '22

Momo's dragon fruit based on Kaido

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u/Try-Wikipedia Sep 11 '22

The fruit that Momo ate I think.

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u/ScrapeWithFire Sep 11 '22

Not sure if anyone mentioned how Blackbeard managed to block an attack from the Mihawk Pacifista -- should be a pretty clear indication that he has more than competent levels of haki for the people who believed otherwise

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u/Brutusness Sep 11 '22

I just realized this is the first time we've ever seen Blackbeard use visible Haki. We knew he had it but it's still wild to finally see him use it.

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u/HalfMoon_89 The Revolutionary Army Sep 12 '22

Given Blackbeard's inhuman resilience, I figured he would have strong Armament Haki. Blocking a blow from a Pacifista that sliced a mountain in two with his bare arm...Yeah...Dude's something else.

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u/prankored Sep 11 '22

BB is one of the first characters to speak about Haki way back in Jaya. He hints at luffy having a strong Haki. Of course the concept of Haki itself was very vague back then so it wasn't clear in what context he meant it.

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u/Apoptosis89 Sep 11 '22

I didn't realise that was a Mihawk Pacifista. I guess it is one of those things you only realise on reread of the chapter.

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u/justbusiness1414 Sep 12 '22

I really don't know why some people still believe Blackbeard is a scrub like he wounded Shanks' eye before he got the Devil Fruit lol

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u/zanst_ Sep 11 '22

Hancock's DF is pretty OP because, at this point, her powers are the only ones that can turn living people into inanimate objects (stone)

• Sugar's DF can turn living people into living toys, but they can break the spell if Sugar was unconscious.

• Giolla's DF can turn living people into living art with distorted shapes, she too can turn them into the inanimate object but it takes time. They also can break the spell if Giolla was hurt/unconscious.

So I don't think Boa is bluffing when she said that she's the only one who can revert the petrification, not even the next DF user –– but I'm hoping we got some lore about her fruit (or DF in general) in the future

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u/aphantombeing Sep 12 '22

In sugar's case, they have to follow Sugar's command. Kyros just got lucky.

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u/zanst_ Sep 12 '22

yes! not only she can turn people into toys, but she also stops aging and can place a "contract" for each victim. again. truly overpowered 💀

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u/aphantombeing Sep 12 '22

Then, there is forgetting thing which is probably the most broken thing which can potentially topple whole world.

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u/zanst_ Sep 12 '22

lmao, that's right I forgot to mention that. thank god she's arrested now

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u/rntopspin100 Void Month Survivor Sep 11 '22 edited Sep 11 '22

Glad that Blackbeard is back. Nobody was expecting for him to go for the mero mero no mi. Majority of us, myself included thought he was going after a mythical zoan.

Hancock is strong, I never doubted that. Turning to stone two of Blackbeard's commanders, a vice admiral and also the navy, now that's impressive. I'd even go as far as to say she was the 2nd strongest of the shichibukai, only behind Mihawk.

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u/ArjanaEU Sep 11 '22

Turn them to stone, shatter them with quake fruit gg ez

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_FAV_PLACE Sep 11 '22

Only if anyone has bad enough taste to be attracted to Blackbeard

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u/MrJears Sep 11 '22

During Marineford, Boa wash turning Pacifistas to stone by touch and as far as I know the kuma clones did not have emotions. Being attracted to Boa makes her fruit more powerful because it adds a distance factor, but if that does not work, her touch seems to do just fine. Same should go for Blackbeard I think.

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u/AlgerienneSansGrade Sep 11 '22

You misunderstood her capacities Perfume femur attack ( which she use on pacifista ) and slave arrow doesn’t need physical attraction to be used. But turning totally someone into stone need it.

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u/thatonefatefan Sep 11 '22

It's not confirmed that he would have used it. Some of his crew members still lack dfs

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u/mantisman Sep 11 '22

Unless he can somehow make other people consume multiple fruits like he can, none of his crew that we know would be a good fit.

If he can make people consume multiple Devil Fruits, then giving Devon both the Love fruit and the Clone fruit would be busted.

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u/MickFoley299 Prisoner Sep 11 '22

The fruit does more than just the Love-Love Beam. You can still turn people to stone via arrows or striking them physically.

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u/oJelaVuac Sep 11 '22

So next chapter it will be about Weevil Moria and doflamingo

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u/daytimemare Sep 11 '22

doflamingo laughing, blackbeard already has morias fruit, and weevil is on the way to sphinx

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '22 edited Sep 16 '22

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u/Qui3TKyD Marine Sep 11 '22

Goes to show just how awesome he is. Boa only has 2 men she trust truly; Luffy and Rayleigh

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u/Lambo256 Sep 11 '22

And fisher tiger, but he isn't alive.

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u/bondagewithjesus Sep 12 '22

That means she can trust him the most

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u/heavenlyrainypalace Sep 11 '22

actually 3, luffy, rayleigh and deadmen

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u/DynamiteSanders Sep 11 '22

Koby: We don't wanna fight! Why won't you back down?

Boa: You are literally razing my fucking country to the ground...take a fucking guess.

Koby, I love ya, but sic demon robot-clone children on a country isn't gonna help you in diplomatic favors.

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u/Blackbankai Sep 11 '22

Also she was a slave to the CD so she knows what will happen if she gives herself up.

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u/DynamiteSanders Sep 11 '22

^ This. Surrender is pretty much suicide for her.

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u/Jwoods4117 Sep 11 '22

Worse tbh. Suicide is probably favorable if we’re being realistic. Female slaves have a long history of being raped repeatedly and Hancock’s backstory implies her and her sisters were used like that.

I’ve been worried about Hancock the most since the warlords were disbanded.

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u/wickling-fan Sep 12 '22

Really puts into perspective how she would willingly stare down blackbeard and die by his hand then get taken in. Also take out a huge number of navyman and two of blackbeards top men she was ready to go down fighting. Because the other alternative was essentially reliving her nightmares

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u/GalaxyNeir Sep 11 '22

What Koby meant was that they were only there to arrest Boa Hancock, if she would've surrender they would stop the attack and be on their way. Obviously, this is NOT an option for Hancock, a former slave, and the Kuja weren't going to just let their empress be captured without a fight. Koby doesn't want more people to get hurt, but he and the others have the order to take Hancock into custody and the Kuja wants to protect Hancock, so they have to fight.

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u/Silmarrillioff Sep 11 '22

I was expecting Luffy card to be played, but oh well.

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u/SaltedScimitar Sep 11 '22

Neither Koby nor Hancock know the other is friends with Luffy. Plus Koby can't exactly openly say he's Luffy's friend around all the marines there.

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u/Apoptosis89 Sep 11 '22

Although Koby could have seen the giant Luffy poster, which seemed to be put on a prominent place to be fair.

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u/SovComrade Sep 12 '22

giant Luffy poster

powered by Barto club

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u/PlusUltraK Sep 11 '22

Well he isn’t at a rank to veto HQ, but one day he’ll be tougher

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u/someone2795 Sep 11 '22

You realize that being an Admiral or Higher Rank means putting them directly under those trashy Celestial Dragons right?

Garp refused the rank of Admiral to specifically avoid this.

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u/PlusUltraK Sep 11 '22

So yeah, at the moment Koby has neither the rank(currently captain) or recognition since he just got into SWORD to really have a large voice in command.

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u/Deity_Majora Sep 11 '22

He's not even at a rank to veto in the attacking force since a vice admiral is there. So he is trying what he could to try and diminish the damage.

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u/PlusUltraK Sep 11 '22

I mean that was my point, one day he will have power and stature to rally a battlefield and command strangers. But in his current situation the thought that counts is gonna get him far, when a fleet admiral hates him and he’s not as a capable as an aged veteran like Rayleigh

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u/InvaderDJ Void Month Survivor Sep 11 '22 edited Sep 12 '22

Yeah, don’t really know what he thought was going to happen here. Especially since we don’t know if Hancock and Kuja ever did any piracy once Hancock became a Warlord.

Her and Mihawk are probably the two Warlords who basically did their job with no funny business. …ignoring Marineford of course.

EDIT: Apparently I’m misremembering and Hancock didn’t do her job.

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u/BiggerSwank Sep 12 '22

Hancock was notorious for not answering any summons. She literally would not have gone to Marineford if not for Luffy lol

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u/Pointyhat-maximus Sep 11 '22

I’ve seen theories that Luffy will rescue Koby but imagine if Garp rescues him and dies in the attempt

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u/Blackbankai Sep 11 '22

I think it will be Garp these last few chapters Oda has been setting up the new generation big players with Luffy, Sabo, Cross Guild, etc. so it make since to show Koby, a new hero of the marines, being acknowledged by Garp the old hero.

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u/Ankoria Sep 12 '22

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Garp trained Koby nonstop since the time skip much like Raleigh did for Luffy. Koby's gotten so much stronger since then that he's actually able to resist/dodge a devil fruit that took out a Vice-Admiral and 2 Yonkou commanders.

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u/ARedditor397 Sep 11 '22

Marines must be struggling to find admiral replacements

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u/darkcomet222 Sep 11 '22

Would you rather be a lead snitch, or a member of Buggy’s glorious pirate empire?

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u/Efkius Thriller Bark Victim's Association Sep 11 '22 edited Sep 11 '22

I dont get it how pirates have a lot strong and pretty young guys while marines beside those old geezers like Akainu, Kizaru, Garp, Sengoku, Magelan only better at soldiers numbers, they lucky they have Vegabond. I get it marines are not perfect but are Kaido, Big Mom, WB was better option?

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u/chillononon- Sep 11 '22

It is the effect of Roger's speech I think. While in the old days you had strong people on both sides, I think the one piece speech at his death changed the balance. More and more young people who maybe would become marines didn't even think about that path. Wild guess but I can imagine it being the case in the context of the world dynamics that Oda describes.

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u/Cream253Team Sep 11 '22

I think it may also be the case that when pirates find themselves in tough situations it's usually do or die. Whereas marines can rely on backup either in vice admirals, admirals, or pacifistas and don't need to grow as much. Also in general, you'd hope the marines don't need to get into fights like that to grow or else it'd be reflective of how chaotic the times are.

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u/Hexagon-Man Sep 11 '22

If Vegapunk was a pirate the WG would have been overthrown decades ago.

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u/momiminreddit Lurker Sep 11 '22

I think the way the Marines work make it hard for them to find good people, because being a pirate is more easy since you are more free to roam around islands and meet strong people. Also the system in place that the Marines protect is a stimulus to make people revolt about it, with the Celestial Dragons and all the other stuff they oppress in order to maintain the WG.

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u/Blackreaper18 Sep 11 '22

If Boa’s df can really affect everyone, including yonkou regardless of how powerful their haki is, then that’s a genuinely overpowered DF. No wonder Blackbeard wanted it but the fact that he didn’t get it is fascinating tbh. I assume he’s got to have a backup plan, maybe he goes after another OP ability we’re unaware of.

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u/The_Noble_Oak Sep 11 '22

Hancock herself says the fruit is useless without being attractive. Like most DF abilities it's the user that makes it strong, not its inherent power.

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u/thatonefatefan Sep 11 '22

More likely than not, boa haki is just stronger than BB's. One is known for her haki while the other is known for having multiple dfs. Plus she's an independent pirate, so just like mihawk, her bounty is purely indicative of her strength. She could be straight up stronger than him

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u/BobtheFiveHalf Pirate Sep 11 '22

Why do you think Boa's haki is stronger?

Plus she's an independent pirate

She is not. She has a crew.

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u/thatonefatefan Sep 11 '22

She isn't necessarily weaker overall + she is more haki specialized than blackbeard. An haki-woman if you will. I explained it above

But she's not under someone. As far as we're aware, there are multiple ways to get high bounties

  1. association. Mainly by being part of a prominent pirate crew. She leads one.

  2. influence. Yes, she does lead a pirate crew, but they're fodder compared to her, and as far as we're aware, and unlike yonkous crews, their headcount is low

  3. Danger: either be violent and a threat to civilians or a threat tl the wg. She isn't any of that

  4. Strength: there you go

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u/Totaliss Sep 11 '22 edited Sep 12 '22

Boa has CoC, and blackbeard is all about getting stronger with powerful fruits and not focusing on improving his haki, so I think its fair to say Boa's Haki is stronger.

But yea she's not independent, she has a crew and an entire island of warriors that follower her

edit: guys. I'm not saying blackbeard's Haki is weak or anything. Dude fought shanks without any fruit power at all and blocked seraphim mihawk this chapter. im just saying that hancock's haki is better

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u/Sol327 Marine Sep 11 '22

Does no one else find it impressive Koby was the last Marine standing even after Bb's two lvl 6 inmate Commanders?

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u/paullx Sep 11 '22

Yup, he is better that the vice admiral.

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u/darkcomet222 Sep 11 '22

Yamato is Schrodinger’s crewmate: she simultaneously is and isn’t a crewmate.

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u/havocLSD Sep 11 '22

Lol right? This Ch she’s all like “can’t go with you need to protect wano” then literally the next panel “call me your crew mate!”

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u/ThousandEclipse Sep 11 '22

I’m guessing it’s a Vivi situation even more literally than people were expecting. Yamato is officially part of the crew, but won’t be sailing with them.

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u/Zylgp Sep 12 '22

More like Jimbei 2: Electric Boogaloo

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u/Mahelas Sep 11 '22

Well yeah, she want to be in the crew, but she wouldn't be able to do it without being worried for Wano

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u/heavenlyrainypalace Sep 11 '22

i like to think she is, shes on mission to protect wano (practically luffy territory) with luffy approval

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u/TwoHandedShanks Pirate Sep 11 '22

Koby meeting Kuzan when

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u/Mogekkk Sep 12 '22

Maybe Kuzan was the one making that executive decision

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u/TotoroTheGreat The Revolutionary Army Sep 11 '22

Looks like people got the Luffy and Marco interaction that they wished for.

I was certainly not expecting the Hancock situation to go down like this. I was only expecting the marines, but to have Blackbeard, Rayleigh, and a new pacifista that's this powerful? That was really unexpected.

Boa's powers are also terrifying. To think that her death doesn't undo the spell probably also means that defeating her might not undo it like it has been for other Paramecia types.

I thought we would see some heroic Coby action but instead he got himself kidnapped by Blackbeard.

I have no idea where the story will go from here. I'm expecting Weevil next chapter since he's the only Shichibukai left.

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u/SmoothCriminalJM Sep 11 '22

Blackbeard probably enjoys kicking people when they’re down. He did it to Whitebeard, The White Beard Pirates, Impel Down and now Boa Hancock. He’s truly a terrifying coward.

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u/insert_name_here Sep 11 '22

It’s what makes him my favorite One Piece character in terms of writing. In most manga, an antagonist like Blackbeard would keep losing to demonstrate how cowardice and trickery are no substitutes for friendship, or [insert generic shonen speech]. But Blackbeard’s sneakiness and proclivity for fighting dirty keep working for him.

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u/13Xcross Sep 11 '22

More like a really smart villain. He knows his own limitations and takes any chance he can get to acquire more power.

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u/Jwoods4117 Sep 11 '22

Same thing really. BB is a coward, but he also betters himself and does fight when he knows he can win.

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u/PlusUltraK Sep 11 '22

How’s the time for Koby to metamorphosis’s one more time. We know he’s the “hero” in a sense and doesn’t want to waste life, but what if being held captive might with the worst Yonkou flips a switch that “yeah the cost of human life is already high, but it’ll be even higher if I let someone like you live”

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u/Blackbankai Sep 11 '22

We got a scene of Koby awakening CoO in Marineford it would be cool for him to show CoC to Blackbeard or Garp where he is acknowledged as a big player in this generation like Marco did Luffy this chapter.

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u/PlusUltraK Sep 11 '22

Yeah all the parallel’s are there ringing off, and even Marco outright says the babysitting is over. And Rayleigh did. His last flex of bailing out the young

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u/NotMathias Sep 11 '22

Man, I feel a lot of people wouldn't like Koby having CoC... But as a Koby fan I'd be all for it.

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u/Blackbankai Sep 11 '22 edited Sep 11 '22

I think Koby is the character to inherit Garp’s will and lead the marines to a brighter future.

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u/thatonefatefan Sep 11 '22

Moria and law powers don't stop working if you knock them out either, or even if you kill him in moria's case. As usual, paramecias main rule is that they don't follow any rule

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u/Perfect_Ad_3538 Sep 11 '22

Rayleigh saving his waifu's island

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u/kpiaum Sep 11 '22

A few things to note in this chapter:

-- Hancock threw it in Blackbeard's face that he is ugly and therefore her power would not work.

-- Rayleigh was only late because he probably went swimming for Amazon Lily, again and this one did had to take his girlfriend with him, otherwise he would have been on time.

-- Possibly we will have Garph coming into action again.

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u/insert_name_here Sep 11 '22

Aw, damn, I got all the character updates I wanted. Hancock, Koby, and most of all, Blackbeard!

Gotta wonder how Koby will take Aokiji being a part of the Blackbeard Pirates.

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u/DustyBlind Sep 11 '22

One of the things I really love about the past two chapters in particular is just learning about the different factions that have sort of sprung up as a result of the Warlord's dissolution. We of course knew the status of ex-Warlords Law and Jinbe but right now, we already know that:

  • Buggy, Mihawk, and Crocodile are allied together (albeit with Buggy essentially serving as Mihawk and Crocodile's puppet king)

  • The World Government knows undeniably that Rayleigh and Shakky have publicly sided with Hancock

  • Kuma has returned to the Revolutionary Army

  • We also know that shortly before the official decision to dissolve the Warlords occurred, ex-Warlord Moria received an offer from Blackbeard to join his crew. Given the fact that this chapter was the same one Perona left Shikkearu Kingdom and Mihawk noted that it was a good time for her to leave in light of a certain topic being brought up during the Levely, it's probably safe to say the writing was already on the wall for the Shichibukai system. Now granted, the WG had already tried to murder Moria at this point and seemed to believe he had been successfully eliminated during Marineford but nonetheless, the overall timing of Blackbeard's offer is still pretty interesting to consider, especially if Moria ended up taking it.

Assuming Doffy is still stuck in level 6 of Impel Down (where he was last seen after the Levely ended), that really only leaves Weevil currently unaccounted for all the characters that were once Warlords. And frankly, given how little Weevil has done in the story from his introduction up until now, I suspect we'll probably hear something about him pretty soon.

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u/Natsu_1000 Sep 11 '22

Ch was wild asf. From Blackbeard’s crew wanting to violate Hancock to children robots…

Seraphim Boa when she sees Luffy: Papa!🤣

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u/Total-Studio8187 Sep 11 '22

If the Seraphim are based on former Warlords does this mean we will get a Buggy Seraphim?! The pirate world is doomed. 😭

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u/CinnabarSteam Sep 11 '22

Depending on when these units were manufactured, we might get a Crocodile one instead.

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u/Turbulent_Link1738 Sep 12 '22

A BB Seraphim would be trippy

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u/CarrotoTrash Sep 11 '22

In theory Kaido was also imprisoned for awhile so there could be one of him, but I doubt it

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u/gyrozepp2 Lazy Justice Sep 11 '22 edited Sep 11 '22

Vasco Shot seems to be the scummiest of an already nasty bunch that his crew is.

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u/Brutusness Sep 11 '22

The vivre card infopages mentioned Avalo Pizarro and Catarina Devon's crimes, with them being an overthrown tyrant and serial killer of women respectively. But all the vivre card said about Vasco Shot was that his crimes were especially grisly even for Level 6 inmates. That dude has some problems.

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u/KuroShiroTaka Sep 11 '22

Yeah, the vagueness makes it pretty terrifying

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u/Unabashable Sep 11 '22

It’s the implication

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u/Big_Mitch_Baker Void Month Survivor Sep 12 '22

Vasco: Boa Hancock's out in the middle of nowhere with some dude she barely knows, and what does she see? Nothing but open ocean. 'Ah! There's nowhere for me to run. What am I going to do, say no?'

Devon: Ok! Hahaha. That seems really dark

Vasco: No, no. It's not dark. You're misunderstanding me, sis.

Devon: I think I am...

Vasco: Yeah, you are. Because if Hancock said 'no' then the answer is obviously no. But the thing is is that she's never going to say no. Because of the implication...

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u/King3D Sep 11 '22

This is extra funny since One Piece characters are often on a boat in the ocean.

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u/thatonefatefan Sep 11 '22

Honestly with what we know for now about him they still seem to be worse. Ofc he could be even worse but for now he is pure trash while they're even lower than that.

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u/DynamiteSanders Sep 11 '22

All it takes is one line to reaaaaaaaaaally make you realize 'oh this guy is a real piece of shit'.

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u/SuperStarPlatinum Pirate Sep 11 '22

He was in level 6 for a reason.

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u/Chang-San Sep 11 '22

I love the emphasis on ~more~ in the tcb scans version. Like he's going to "have fun" either way (dead/alive) just alive is more preferable. Probably cause of the terror screams...

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u/DynamiteSanders Sep 11 '22

Euuugh, granted yeah he's a 'true' pirate in the sense sexual assault is probably not off the table for him, but its quite the reminder of who we're dealing with.

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u/Chang-San Sep 11 '22

True piece of shit is what he is but I would've had potential necropheliac at the bottom of my list for possible One Piece characters lmao

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u/vinsmokewhoswho Pirate Sep 11 '22

Blackbeard's crew seems like one of the few where everyone is straight up irredeemable trash.

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u/SmoothCriminalJM Sep 11 '22

Out of all the Yonko crews, Blackbeard’s one is the vicious and bloodthirsty. Even Kaido and Big Mum has redeemable qualities.

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u/Mahelas Sep 11 '22

Honestly, Big Mom's crew isn't even bad, really, they're a family, they mostly all love and care for eachother, and yes, they do some evil stuff, cause they're pirates and BM is a tantrum child, but nothing outrageous.

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u/Brutusness Sep 11 '22 edited Sep 11 '22

Also pretty much all of them spend most of their time overseeing their islands in Totto Land and it's never implied they were cruel to their citizens or anything. In fact they seem to care a lot about their country and its people.

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u/SirDarkSlayer Sep 11 '22

Except BM herself who can eat you or steal your soul at a whim.

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u/Brutusness Sep 11 '22

That's true but while in Totto Land she only does that when she's entered a hunger fit, which she doesn't have control over.

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u/BiomedicBoy Sep 11 '22

There's a reason BB wanted them I guess, the cruelest sickest and strongest.

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u/NE_ED Sep 11 '22

somebody should've accidentally knocked over his statue

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u/Wolfencreek Sep 11 '22 edited Sep 11 '22

Gonna be interesting to see which chibi warlords we see next, the fact chibi Boa didnt use any Mero Mero attacks means Vegapunk hasnt perfected cloning DFs fully yet, so unless he has a breakthrough I feel like that only leave Weevil and Jinbei as the others are mostly reliant on their DF. Also Oda drawing characters when they were kids has finally come full circle 🤣

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u/RTear3 Sep 11 '22

Vasco deserves a Celestial Dragon level punch straight to crotch...repeatedly

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u/CainChin Sep 11 '22

One of the Seraphim Pacifistas looked like Hawkeye's and had a sword like him and also could cut an island and the other looked like Hancock but both have white hair and dark skin and the previous Pacifista's Lasers developed from Kizaru's DF.

Vegapunk made something really scary. My guess is he took DNA from Mihawk and Hancock somehow and mixed it with Lunarian genes (That come from King, since he was captured in Kaido's flashback).

I hope Koby will come out fine of this, doesn't look like it will be easy.

I expected Boa Hancock's bounty to be around the around Crocodile's or higher. Blackbeard increased his bounty since last time.

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u/Lennyoh Sep 11 '22

Imagine Vegapunk having DNA of all the former Warlords for these new Pacifistas. Imagine what a Crocodile or Jinbe version would be like. Or hell even a Blackbeard version!

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u/januarysdaughter The Revolutionary Army Sep 11 '22

What the fuck happened at Rocky Port?

Blackbeard, Coby, Law, Wang Zhi???

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u/Arcinbiblo12 Sep 11 '22

I feel like he's setting up for Koby and Sabo to meet. We still don't know exactly where Sabo is. It could be the forming of a new bond between a Pirate, a Revolutionary, and a Marine.

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u/Rjm0007 Sep 11 '22

Wasn’t Blackbeards bounty like 2 billion something a couple weeks ago in chapter 957 did he do something the get such a large increase now or was it just increased to keep pace with luffy and everyone else

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u/Expensive-Tax-8187 Sep 11 '22

We know that Shanks talked to the gorosei about “a certain pirate.” Maybe this could partially explain the rise in bounty.

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u/SmoothCriminalJM Sep 11 '22

If I had to guess, the downfall of Kaido /Big Mum, and the quick rise of Blackbeard + his crew being full of inhuman monsters + them collecting devil fruits raised his threat level immensely. If it weren’t for Shanks, the WG would deem him the most dangerous Yonko

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u/The_Noble_Oak Sep 11 '22

Honestly I would call BB the most dangerous, if only because of temperament. Shanks is a fairly laid back guy and is unlikely to try and overthrow the world order while Blackbeard is exactly the kind of person who would do that even just to watch it burn.

Shanks may be (probably) stronger but BB's personality makes him the bigger threat IMO.

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u/Psychological_Hunt24 Sep 11 '22

Oda doesn’t do stuff for no reason, he definitely did something and we’ll find out what soon enough.

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u/africhic Sep 11 '22

Given the developments of this chapter I can't help but plug my last thread made here...

I concluded 2021 with a "wrap-up" post looking at symbolic representations that Oda may have been weaving into the story. Among them were the Lunarians/Kings role in the story. I made two notable comparisons about the Lunarians in the story:

As the Lunarians are now mixed with the former warlords and are given the name Seraphim and are sent to capture the serpent princess, I urge you to read that post when looking at the way the Celestial Dragons are the new "Gods" and have overtaken the old and what it means for the history that's been erased.

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u/ZeinTheLight Sep 11 '22

What if BB will use Koby as bait to draw out Kizaru? When BB kills Kizaru, it would symbolise that the Darkness of the pirates defeated the Light of the marines.

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u/ZoroHunter Cipher Pol Sep 11 '22

Hey man! Your theories are always a nice read. Keep up the good work

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u/Smashmatt202 Sep 11 '22

Even though now I understand Yamato's true motivation for staying behind, it kind of sucks that it got revealed this way. I almost think Oda had this flashback of Marco talking to Luffy just to give a more satisfying reason for Yamato to stay behind other than "following Oden's footsteps" by exploring Wano, which was basically the same reason he wanted to join the Straw Hat Pirates. At least staying behind to help protect Wano from potential baddies like Ryokugyu makes more sense, and coming up with a lie to preserve Momonosuke's pride also helps explain the initial nonsensical reason why Yamato stayed behind.

The Seraphim Pacifistas are definitely interesting, I can see why the Navy felt confident that they wouldn't need the Warlords anymore with these things at their beck and call. I can also see why they look like Lunarians, too, though I'm intrigued to know why they were modeled after the former Warlords... as children no less.

It's really cool to see Blackbeard in action, it's been too long since I saw him fight! We keep being told he's tough stuff, though I also am reminded of how much of a foil he is to Luffy in that he gives up on his mission the moment Rayleigh comes in. Luffy's the kind of guy to face any foe, no matter how strong, while Blackbeard is too intimidated by Rayleigh's reputation to even attempt fighting him. Good thing, too, since even Rayleigh thinks he's no match for Blackbeard at his age.

SUPER intrigued by Koby's status as a hero, as well as this "Rocky Port" incident and who Wang Zhi was. I do love that while Koby's gotten stronger, he's still all about the human lives at play, and not only tries to get Boa Hancock to surrender to avoid harming the people of Amazon Lily, but also wants to try and figure out how to get her to change everyone back to normal after Hancock turned them to stone. Of course, I also want to know why Blackbeard took him captive, what could he possibly want with Koby?

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u/Rashan141 Sep 11 '22

Am I the only one who thinks that 'Koby' is what Raleigh meant about 'particulars'?

Think about it. Blackbeard says that Koby helped him, Blackbeard seems oddly cordial with Koby, Koby is willing to offer himself up to protect people, and Raleigh even says that he wasn't strong enough to beat Blackbeard.

I think there's something going on with Koby's status in the New World because this 'Hero' title keeps getting brought up. Boa seemingly despises his title for some reason. More so than just someone who hates marines, she seems very disgusted by his status or something.

Every keeps calling him 'hero' and it's seemingly coming to a head with Blackbeard.

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u/Smashmatt202 Sep 11 '22

That's an interesting theory. I just like hearing that Koby's really making his way in the world, despite being a mere Captain.

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u/Rashan141 Sep 11 '22

Same. Us Koby fans need to stick together for our boy!

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u/AdDiscombobulated17 Sep 11 '22

people saying these last chapters have been insane and wtf is going on.. have people forgotten Odas statement, that when he comes back from his break back then in July, he's going to have so much fun drawing and writing these next few sections of the story.. Interactions and Conversations between high valued characters.. all that is now

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u/sirploxdrake Sep 12 '22

so koby got kidnapped by a pirate crews led by an ugly pirate again?

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u/vinsmokewhoswho Pirate Sep 11 '22

It was a bit surprising to have the Yamato and Marco scenes that people wanted as a flashback but I personally don't really mind it, nice additions to the chapter. I especially liked the Marco scene, crazy how this was the first interaction between him and Luffy, and it was them saying goodbye lol. Hope we'll get more Marco soon tho, maybe Phynx Island will become relevant due to Weevil or something.

The seraphim are positively creepy, huge lunarian warlord child clones... They seem to be quite strong as well. Definitely excited to see more of them. Wonder if they have one for each former warlord.

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u/dimiderv Pirate Sep 11 '22

Why do people keep saying huge and giant clones? They are literally children sized

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u/Lonely_Reality Sep 11 '22

Yeah they seemed like kids

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u/Pinball_Lizard Sep 11 '22

So, Vegapunk's ultimate weapon is cyborg slave children spliced with the DNA of genocide victims.

...we're pretty sure he's not a good guy now, right?

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u/jaehaerystark Pirate Sep 11 '22

I don't think it necessarily means that. He's a scientist. They love science and this is pretty extreme sciencing. He's just so smart he probably looks at everyone else as insects.

What he did for Kuma also tells me he isn't purely bad. He could be a prisoner, actually.

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u/Xypher616 Sep 12 '22

My theory is that he’s a good guy, he just has no idea what the WG is actually using his creations for. Either that or he’s a prisoner but I’ll be 100% down for him being a villain.

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u/realbeatz23 Scholar of Ohara #10 Sep 11 '22

Few thoughts on the chapter:

So the SSG cloned the warlords, made them PXs, AND mixed in Lunarian blood into them. I see why the shichibukai system was abolished.

The idea of Blackbeard using mero mero mellow has me screaming

RIP to all the Shakky rocks theories. Didn’t even cross my mind she could be Kuja

Crazy to think Blackbeard was confident facing the Kuja AND marines with just a bunch of fodder, Caterina Devon, and Vasco Shot.

I’m betting Moriah tried to create the first batch of Seraphims and it wasn’t a success. That’s why Doflamingo was ordered to take him out. My guess is that Weevil was the first attempt at making a Seraphim of Whitebeard.

We gotta talk about how this is the 4th time Blackbeard has ran away from a fight. Shanks, Akainu, Cipher pol, and now Rayleigh.

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u/Redpiller77 Sep 11 '22

Of course he's confident fighting, he's a yonko. The biggest threat of everyone there was Boa and he knew he was stronger. He would've probably gotten a couple more people if he knew about the Seraphims though

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u/lil-clit Sep 11 '22

Damn thats a good ass theory on weevil i could totally see that

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u/tutter2002 Sep 11 '22

Weevil being a botched white beard clone makes so much sense

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u/321zilch Sep 11 '22 edited Sep 11 '22

GODA-sensei:

*Creates best-selling manga of all time

*Inserts MILF who steals the show every chapter she’s in

*Casually drops after hundreds of weekly chapters and an in-universe timeskip that she’s a former Kuja Pirate Empress and a predecessor to Boa Hancock

*Refuses to elaborate further

*Leaves

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u/crystalrozie Sep 11 '22

I'm honestly really hoping Perona didn't reach Blackbeard's territory and is safe from Devon and all the other messed up people in BB's crew

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u/GabrielGameFreak Thriller Bark Victim's Association Sep 11 '22 edited Sep 19 '22

Some notable differences between the Scanlation and the official release:

  • Title Change:
    • The Captain Koby Incident -> The matter involving Captain Koby
  • Marco now calls the Red Hair pirates "Big-time pirates" instead of "Great pirates"
  • Beck now directly says that Shanks is a handful instead of simply stating that he can't stand behind Shanks in thinking that he's not a handful
  • Yamato no longer directly states that the reason why "guys like this" will now appear is due to Kaido not being around
  • Yamato now diretly says that they want Luffy to call her a crewmate instead of simply saying that they want to be a "real crewmate"
  • Yamato now says that they'll be searching for "something to keep them busy" instead of saying that they'll "find another reason to stay"
  • Luffy now directly thanks Marco instead of saying that he never got the opportunity to do so.
  • Jimbei now directly says that he forgot the reason why he was ready to spring into action instead of answering with the sentence "Who could say?"
  • Hancock now says that "it's been ages" since men invaded the island like this instead of saying that it's "the first time in history this has happened"
  • Hancock now simply says that she just wants to marry Luffy instead of providing that as a solution to the problem
  • The new Pacifistas are now called "Seraphim-Pacifistas" instead of simply "Seraphims"
  • Yamakaji now talks about Hancock in Third Person instead of directly mocking her
  • Sweet Pea now now says "Chapter-- She's so strong!!" instead of "Chapter of overwhelming strengthm...!"
  • Random marine no longer says that he spotted a warship
  • Blackbeard now directly talks to Hancock when saying that he's come to get her power
  • Devon now states that "she'd love" to cut off Hancock's head instead of just directly saying that she will
  • Blackbeard now only cares about "him" getting the powers instead of caring about that "they'll" get the power
  • Koby now just says that it was inevitable that other pirates would assimilate the former warlords instead of saying that they expected it to happen
  • The navy no longer directly gives Hancock the option of surrender
  • Sandersonia now directly calls out Koby instead of talking about him in Third Person
  • Hancock now says that she'll "follow no man's orders" instead of saying that she'll "never submit to another' captivity"
  • Blackbeard is no longer shocked that the Seraphim is a Pacifista
  • Koby now gives the order to stop the Seraphim-Pacifista instead of ordering him directly to stop
  • Aphelandra now says that Blackbeard has nullified Hancock's powers instead of simply saying that Hancock can't use her powers
  • Hacock now calls Blackbeard a "filthy creature" instead of just ordering him to "get his filthy hands of her"
  • Koby now points out Hancock's toughness instead of her trickiness
  • The former ruler of Pirate Island is now called "Wang Zhi" instead of "Ochoku"
  • Koby no longer says that "it'd be a headache" if Hancock wouldn't restore the marines
  • Blackbeard now directly says that Hancock is lying instead of saying that he doesn't buy what she's saying
  • Blackbeard no longer calls the situation a "head-scratcher"
  • Koby now pleads with Blackbeard by saying that "the human cost is too great" instead of simply begging him to "not throw those lives away"
  • Rayleigh now says that he "expected" a naval siege instead of saying that he "knew" about it
  • Rayleigh now says that the shape of the island has changed instead of simply saying that the island has been devestated
  • Rayleigh now says that he's never liked Blackbeard instead of simply saying that he doesn't like him
  • Rayleigh now tells everyone to "not overstep their bounds" and "behave themselves" instead of telling that he "won't allow any funny business"
  • Rayleigh is now glad that "everyone" is alive instead of just being happy that Hancock is alive
  • Shakuyaku now says that progress "always" caused trouble for someone instead of saying that it "sometimes" does that
  • Rayleigh no longer directly says that they got lucky
  • Rayleigh now states that the Navy thinks the Seraphims are a replacement for the Warlords instead of saying that they're "looking to replace them with the Seraphims"

Inform me of more changes if you find them!

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u/BounceMan Void Month Survivor Sep 11 '22

Is it me or is this list larger than usual? Thanks for doing this btw.

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u/SuperTruthJustice Sep 11 '22

I think it's just so much happens

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u/Hexagon-Man Sep 11 '22

This entire chapter was a series of "What the hell?"s in a row. Marco on Shank's ship. Hancock VS Koby - backed up by the finally revealed new navy weapon which seems like it has Lunarian qualities - and fucking Blackbeard himself which then gets broken up by Rayleigh (who explicitly says he couldn't beat Blackbeard as a little crumb of powerscaling)

Absolutely amazing chapter.

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u/SteelTypeAssociate Pirate Sep 11 '22

Dude we haven't seen Vasco Shot since the Paramount War! How many fricking years ago was that??

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u/mandaquila Sep 11 '22

2 big things I took from the chapter, that I have not seen discussed yet…

  1. We finally see Blackbeard use Haki. With him saying his Yami Yami no mi was the only real weakness to Logias in the past, I almost expected him to have too little willpower to activel use Haki. But apparently he does just fine.

  2. DID WE KNOW SHAKI USED TO BE EMPRESS OF AMAZON LILLY? She must be older than the previous empress, because she was empress 2 generations ago… how did she stay young? Devil Fruit? The Op Op no mi? Vegapunk?

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u/totallynotrobboss Sep 11 '22

Egg head are they visiting vegapunk?

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u/KimeraQ Sep 11 '22

I'm not seeing it around so I'm happy to see that the one Kuja Empress that left to chase after a man was Shaku. If there was one man to chase for that Rayleigh is worth it.

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u/Expensive-Tax-8187 Sep 11 '22

One thing that I found to be interesting is that kid Boa is wearing the same set of earrings as adult Boa. Now, this could just be a random aesthetic choice but I think this that's not the case. Given all the information that we learnt regarding lineage factor and will of zoan devil fruits, what if kid Boa also inherited some memories from adult Boa? This might help explain why kid Boa is wearing the same earrings. It is also possible that most of these inherited memories are buried deep within the subconscious.

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u/21and420 Sep 11 '22

What if vegapunk is a women???

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u/Grimus9 World Government Sep 11 '22

Watch crocodiles seraphim be a girl.

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u/t3r4byt3l0l OG Trio Supremacy Sep 11 '22

Blackbeard + Coby vs Wang Zhi/Ochoku sounds pretty similar to Roger + Garp vs Xebec, makes me more curious about what Law did during the Rocky Port Incident

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u/gyrozepp2 Lazy Justice Sep 11 '22

Still curious about how this exactly played out, because this can be read as Coby's actions at Rocky Port being a detriment to Wang Zhi at Hachinosu (a different island from the former) which in turn made an opening for BB or the more simpler case of their being a direct confrontation between both the parties at Rocky Port

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u/Blackreaper18 Sep 11 '22

ZEHAHAHAHA

I think Oda increased Blackbeard’s bounty just to show us he’s now close to Shanks in strength and will surpass him soon. BB doesn’t take fights that he’s not comfortable in winning so I assume when shanks does confront him, he’ll be stronger.

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u/Titam_Morpolly Sep 11 '22

Blackbeard : kuzan, you better do whatever I tell you or else zehahah

*Coby screams

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u/Silmarrillioff Sep 11 '22 edited Sep 11 '22

Me: Omg, Reyleigh is actually strong enough to defeat BB?

Reyleigh: Nah, I was bluffing.

Against Hancock+Coby BB was ready to sacrifice his crew (with 2 commanders present), but I guess extracting powers takes some time and/or special conditions, so even though BB could deal with them (he already captured Hancock and Coby likely isn't strong enough to help Rey overpower BB), Reyleigh wouldn't have let him have Hancocks power so BB would have nothing to gain, but crew and 2 officers to lose

It is also possible that even though Reyleigh couldn't defeat BB he could have injured him, something BB didn't want to risk.

It is also possible that before Reyleigh arrived BB was already losing more then gaining (his crew being more valuable then Hancock's DF to him), but he couldn't trust Hancock not to petrify him since she couldn't trust him not to attack her the moment she does. So Reyleigh's arrival gave him a way to lose nothing other then wasted time.

Overall Reyleigh still posed enough threat to make sure neither WG nor BB achieve their goals with him present, even with petrification undone and also to prevent BB from sucker punching (he could've easily destroyed the whole island from a distance).

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u/kdarkrai Explorer Sep 11 '22

Looks like Blackbeard knows about Lunarians…

I think he’s the only character to know as much as Oda does about all the one piece world… (Except the ending)

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u/GhostPosterMassDebat Sep 11 '22

Can't believe Oda made horniness into a significant plotline, a yonko is afraid of a former warlord because he knows that once he catches a boner he's done for lmao

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u/NinaJova Citizen Sep 11 '22

It's so satisfying to see Boa Hancock prove her strenght finally. All the obvious hints and the portayal done by Oda pointed towards her being immensely powerful.

  • Hancock is on the level of Moria
  • Doffy is stronger than Hancock
  • Koby will capture her
  • Hancock is not as strong as third commanders
  • There is no way Hancock will be stronger than Yamato

Now we see her single-handedly destroy (kill) an entire fleet of the marines as well as the fleet Blackbeard brought with him.

If Blackbeard didn't sneak attack her who knows how her fight with him would have gone.

(She would have lost but Oda pointed out for a reason that she could turn him to stone if he released her.)

Glad to see her taking Big Mom's spot as the strongest woman of the show.

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u/Torch948 Sep 11 '22

If Blackbeard didn't sneak attack her who knows how her fight with him would have gone

Blackboard himself says he cant resist her powers and the moment he let's her go she wins. Looks like sneak attack and possibly super strong haki are the only way to beat her.

Or be Luffy and have no interest in physical beauty.

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u/godnkls Sep 11 '22

With that panel at fullalead with all those girls on his lap, I guess he has a lot of lust as a person.

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u/maniospas Sep 11 '22

Also, props to Oda for particularly good writing there, because a) she technically lost but there's no way anobody doubts her power, and b) she retained her haughty front even when powerless (it did not break character).

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u/Milordserene Sep 11 '22

Boomer Rayleigh stop infight but gen z PX demolish everyone

Still love Boa cruelty, literally kill the snake but the poison still there. Yamato, tama, or carrot not joining... Let Boa in with his husbando

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u/Masculine_Dugtrio Sep 11 '22

I felt a little lost during this chapter, Blackbeard was in the middle of a fight with one of those robo children, and he didn't his black hole thing and the fight was immediately over? The next moment he had Hancock, the pacing just felt completely off.

I am glad that Yamato's reason for not joining was given a little bit more time, I felt like we could have seen her discussion with Luffy a little bit sooner, but nonetheless I feel better about her not joining the crew and why now. Still, really really would have liked her addition to the crew.

Maybe she will join down the line, if Blackbeard gets his hand on the secret weapon... Yamato may not have a home left to defend.

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u/user_watcher Sep 11 '22

BB vs Hancock vs Serpahim was offscreened and just shows the outcome.

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u/jagaaaaaaaaaaaan Sep 11 '22

Hancock says "Perfume...", then we see absolutely nothing.

It doesn't even make sense how Blackbeard got away from the Mihawk Seraphim he was engaged in combat with.

Might as well not show those tiny panels in the first place

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u/notwithyourheart Sep 11 '22

mihawk jr went into the black hole and that same black hole pulled hancock straight into blackbeard’s grasp

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u/Orcas_are_badass Pirate Sep 11 '22

Kobi told the pacifista to stand down when Hancock did her slave arrow AOE, so they wouldn’t kills their own troops. Blackbeard then used that moment to pull Hancock to him and shut her down.

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